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I doubt it. Did you see the review of the LS600 Hybrid in the NY Times last weekend? A 5,000 + lb pig that costs $30K more, gets worse highway mileage, is slower and handles less well than the LS460. I'd like to see the 320D, 330D and 335D over here (with manual trannies).
I'll second your vote for the diesels. 335d with 6-speed would get my attention.
A BMW is a BMW because it was born to to meet the demands of drivers in country that doesn't think it's idiotic to allow 150 mph on its public roads, and who take driving seriously. High speed increases risk, but so do cell phone use (similar to driving under the influence), eating and drinking beverages behind the wheel, aggressive driving, reading a newspaper or book while driving (yes, seen that more than once on I-495), failing to understand basic lane discipline, etc., along with highway authorities that fail to repair unsafe road surfaces or remove debris, etc.
I seem to remember Audi Quattros getting outlawed after a season or so of dominating whatever series they entered, in dry and wet. Recent comparos including 997TT and R8 also shows R8 coming out ahead in spite of underpowered in comparison to 997TT.
Topgear also has shown their professional driver achieving better laptime than E46 M4 in S4, NOT RS4.
AWD vs. RWD is mostly a matter of preference. When I was thinking of swapping my 2005 C2S for a 2006 to get a different color, I tried out the C4S. Heavier, slower off the line, but better handling/traction when the road surface gets dicey. Ask 10 and you'll get a 5 and 5 split relative to which is better for smooth dry road handling. I kept my 2005, but I would have stuck with the C2S over the C4S.
First of all, the 997TT IS awd. The only recent test (that i know of) like this was the C&D lightning lap.
http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/lightninglap_results.pdf
In this test, the 335i came in ahead of the more powerful and RWD rs4, the gt3 came in ahead of the more powerful r8 and 997TT, etc, and the corvettes basically dominated.
IMO, the perfect combination is an AWD daily driver for the bad climate days and a nice C2S/M3/5/'Vette for the fun/track car and occasional super-commuter days. On the other hand, a C4S for economy purposes would do if you only can choose one!
Regards,
OW
Then 335 beats the RS4.
Don't worry, I still have the X3 and Club Sport, and I still plan(dream) to pick up a M1 in the next years. And a 335d coupe would also be nice.
That said, the MS3 is a four star hoot. As one magazine put it, "Place on ground, light fuse, get away!" My 12 year old has especially enjoyed my numerous Stoplight Grand Prix victories; he informed that he was glad that I wasn't an "old fogey" like a lot of his friends' dads. I also needed some FWD seat time because a friend who owns a "Tuner" shop wants to shift his focus from drag racing to autocross and track cars. He's asked me to help set up some high-horsepower FWD cars, so I figured I better get some experience with the little beasties. The best part of all is that he wants me to give him some pointers on driving his Maserati Spyder Cambiocorsa:
Hey, it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Best Regards,
Shipo
After we take delivery, I'm going to see if he'll let me take a 335i out for a spin.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Best Regards,
Shipo
Unless you plan to buy one...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I made a $1000 over invoice deal on an '07 X5 3.0si (handles amazing for an almost 5000 lb truck) for my Dad as the lease on his '04 X5 3.0iA is up in the middle of August (73,000 miles and you should see the amazing shape it is in). My Dad usually doesn't talk to the car dealers. They call work and ask for him, but I pick up the phone. The CA happened to call after I left to get a deposit from my Dad on the X5. My Dad said to the CA "I'm getting an X5 from you in August, the lease on my wife's '05 530 is up at the end of December and she wants another BMW. Call my son here tomorrow and make him an offer he can't refuse on an X3!."
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Sorry, this is MY year to win the raffle...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
How's that for precise information.. :surprise:
regards,
kyfdx
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Nice to see you "normal" over here, and I didn't say a word to your wife!
Re: your post #333, my Sparkling Graphite Metallic 335xi with Sport, Premium, Cold Weather packages and Park Distance Control (what I consider the essentials (PDC is a little fluff, but after hanging my head waaay out the driver door while backing up my 4Runner to avoid customizing the grill of the M-B behind me...) was $46,700 MSRP. The initial offer was $44,800 and I required another $300 to seal the deal. The net cost was $44,500 for a pretty well equipped all-season car. (I did not opt for the 18" wheels - I thought that would be a big mistake + more $$$ for winter rubber. I live just outside Boston.)
How does that deal compare with the rest of you? Did I do OK? I'm happy regardless of the response.
Let me know!
xeye
BTW, my car is due in NY harbor tomorrow. I'm hoping to be exceeding the speed limit in 2nd gear by next weekend! Probably not, but maybe I'll get lucky.
FWIW, your deal sounds fairly reasonable, have you figured out how much over invoice you paid? As a general rule, that's the real measuring stick, and depending upon the dealership, a "good deal" is typically anywhere from $1,000 to $1,500 over invoice.
Best Regards,
Shipo
So you've decided not to bother with the break in instructions in the owners manual?
Regards,
OW
No, of course not. I plan to baby the car until we're both ready. I've already downloaded and read the entire manual including the break-in instructions. I really meant that I can't wait to get behind the wheel. I ordered the car on 6/26. I only mentioned that because Automobile Magazine listed the speed in each gear and I was surprised to see 68 mph for 2nd gear. I can break most of the speed limits around here in 1st gear (max 40 mph)!
According to Edmunds.com, the invoice price was, and still is, $42,975. When I quoted this to the dealer, he claimed that Edmunds had a couple of the prices incorrect and that it was really ~$43,300 to $43,400. He told me that I could see the invoice the next day because the back office people were already gone (it was 9:15 PM and the dealership had actually closed by then - I'd been there for a couple of hours already), but never got around to giving it to me. I'll get it when I get the car. The difference wasn't that much to quibble about, I got the extra $300 I wanted, and I was satisfied with the deal. Assuming he's right, I was right in the ballpark you mention. If not, it was still under what Edmunds reported others were paying, and I'll still live happily.
One thing I'm wondering about...My daily commute is less than 5 miles. I've seen advice to make sure the car gets to operating temperature and full lubrication is achieved each time it goes out during the break-in period. I don't see it as a problem to enjoy driving the car a little longer every day, but is it really necessary?
Whaddyathink?
xeye
Short answer, yes. An occasional trip of five miles is no big deal, two of those per day with no other regular long drives IS a big deal. FWIW, I've been up to my elbows in enough sludged engines that were "Driven by a little old lady to church on Sunday" that would otherwise never have needed any engine work (given the low number of miles on the clock) to say otherwise. Were I in your shoes, I'd either find an alternate route to work that was at least ten miles, or I'd buy a bicycle for my daily commute.
Of course you could always bring it up here to New Hamster and let me put some miles on it, my daily commute looks like it's going to hit 140 miles come late September.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Uh, thanks anyway, I think I can manage the extra time and miles! Plenty of glass smooth back roads and twisties in this area. The "stick" is going to be a blast, especially not (necessarily) having to downshift thanks to bags of torque. (Where are you in N.H.? I pass through the state on my way to Montreal a few times a year. Hook up maybe?)
BTW, what happened to Hong Kong? Change of plans? I was there several years ago twice within a few weeks, stayed at the Harbor Plaza Hotel in Kowloon. I loved it in HK, especially the Mad Dog Tavern! One of the best parts was flying from L.A. first class on United. The Dom Perignon and chilled lobster on ice were literally within arms reach and the flights, hotel, lavish meals, etc were all on someone's else nickel.
No wonder I want a BMW!
On a separate note, BMW Owner's Circle home page still says my car is "Produced not Shipped". The inside pages say it's "En Route." Wallenius Wilhelmsen says it is due to arrive in New York today. Where in the world is my car?!!! The Freedom is due to sail tomorrow for Baltimore, so they have to get my car off the boat, probably into a holding pen until it clears Customs and gets worked on at the Prep Center. Hopefully, then it will trigger the web site and become visible to me, the insurance company for the binder, etc. I'm hoping to have it (fruitlessly, most likely) by the weekend.
One more note: During the break-in period, is is acceptable to vary the RPMs even though the speed remains more or less constant? With 6 gears, that shouldn't be too hard on a highway trip without over- or under-revving the engine and still meet the requirements of modulating the engine speed?
xeye
I posted on another board my experience thus far with a BMW (535) order. My car was ordered on 6/13, was in L.A. at the end of this past week, and is scheduled to be at the dealer in the next day or two. My dealer told me that there is up to a 2 week lag on the "Owner's Circle" for a given car's progress. Good luck.
Regarding HK, we're heading over in a couple of weeks for a quick visit, however, due to the fact that the division is up for sale (announced two weeks ago), all relocations have been put on hold. Instead of the "when not if" scenario we were originally operating under, it's now an "if not when" situation. Annoying. We'll probably know by the end of the year. In the meantime, Mrs. Shipo is commuting to HK once a month. For my part, I haven't been to HK since the late 1980s so I'm sure stuff has changed.
Regarding what the Owner's Circle says, my 530i was here in my garage for nearly a month before Owner's Circle reported it as being "In transit". Go figure.
Best Regards,
Shipo
If this helps anyone going forward, the call sign of the Wallenius Wilhelmsen Freedom is WDB5483. I would assume this is a permanent ID, so it may make ocean tracking easier when you're wondering where the heck your car is. I was only able to find this once the ship got within a few hundred miles of the U.S. coast. I know I posted the question of the call sign on either this discussion or the one on the run flat tires. As of noon today, it was about 300 or so miles off-shore heading in the right direction towards New York Harbor.
FWIW,
In New York, this is where the boat unloads:
Auto Marine Terminal
The Port Authority's Auto Marine Terminal covers 130 acres along the Jersey City/Bayonne waterfront on the Port Jersey and Greenville peninsulas in New Jersey. It is dedicated exclusively to the movement of vehicle imports and exports. The terminal includes two ship berths totaling 1,800 linear feet open vehicle storage areas, offices and processing buildings for the facility two tenants, BMW of America’s Port Jersey Vehicle Preparation Center, and Northeast Auto Marine Terminal (NEAT). CSX and Norfolk Southern offer direct service to the facility through its adjacent automobile rail terminal. It is also included in Foreign-Trade Zone No. 49, which is operated by the Port Authority.
http://www.panynj.gov/DoingBusinessWith/seaport/html/auto_marine.html
The Freedom's location:
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=WDB5483
xeye
1,200 miles, eh?...Not so tough considering all the (hopefully) trouble-free fun I can look forward to for the next 120,000 miles, right?
So... no info.. sorry..
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The Owner's Circle tended to be about 2 days behind the updates I received from the dealership. It was produced in about a week but seemed to set for a couple of weeks beforing being "en route".
Very happy with the car so far (my first BMW and my first new car ever!) EXCEPT the iPod option doesn't work. Dealer still trying to figure out why (doesn't work with any of their iPods either so it ain't the Pod).
Regards,
OW
I ordered the Sport Package for the 335, but I'm quite concerned about the Bridgestone RFTs; concerned about a flat out in the country (we go to Maine a good bit), and concerned about performance treads in the snow.
Otherwise, I'm very impressed with the car. I expect to get it in late October or November. I chose it because I've had BMWs since 1973 and have loved them. The new M3 would be far too much car for me, and I really like the 335's power, potential resale value, fuel efficiency, and low emissions. After reading reviews of the competition, I saw no reason to switch to another marque. BMWs aren't for everybody, but I love them.
I am due for a new lease in Dec. '08 and considering the 335xi. Keep us posted of your progress. Also, I would like your impressions handling comparisons between xdrive/17inch/non-SP vs. your other BMW's.
I agree there is a lot of car for your money in BMW...not for everyone, I agree.
Regards,
OW
I haven't posted my $0.02 in few weeks, but from all the happy hour blabbering I did recently, I'm sure I have change coming!
Well, my '07 Sparkling Graphite Metallic 335xi (Sport, Cold Weather, Premium, PDC, grey leather w/burl walnut - what they call "sophisticated" in the brochure!) is at the dealer, finally. I will drive it home tomorrow in place of my '01 4Runner (SSHHH - don't tell the 4Runner - cars have ears!). There were hail T-storms predicted for today and I figured I'd leave it there for the night. Better they repair it (if it gets ding'd) than I have fresh dents on a car with <10 miles on the odo. Ordered 6/26 - not bad, really. It's definitely the way to go - never settle - get what you want.
So, we'll be a 2 Bimmer family - a '95 318ti (125K miles) and the new baby. Next year, maybe replacing the ti with a 135i?
How do I post a picture on this site? I'll shoot some pics of the 335xi and a (short) review, given that I'll be in the break-in period (AAARRGGHHHHHHH!!!!)
I'll be joining the BMWCCA, so maybe I'll meet some of you.
Good luck with your respective cars. Treat them well and they'll take care of you. A simple pat on the dash every now and then works wonders!
xeye
BTW, I didn't know the '08s were out?
I ordered mine on 7/9 and the system still says that the car is waiting to be shipped. I may get it when the '08 models start showing up.
Thanks. I wouldn't read anything from the web site. Mine also says "Produced not shipped"! Inside the site where the graphic rolls around with the arrow may be more accurate. It says "At your BMW Center" there, and it was right on. The best resource is your sales person. In all, it was less than 6 weeks.
If I recall, Shipo's said "Awaiting Transport" for weeks after the car was in his garage!
I'll post later when I get home with the car.
xeye
A friend of mine has a 328cic with an extra set of winter wheels / tires. He also lives in Maryland, northwest of Baltimore. He has had no difficulty getting around in light to medium snow with the winter wheels and tires.
Given your attraction to the 335i - potential resale value, fuel efficiency, low emmissions - the 335cix w/ sport package is a bit of an oddball car. IMO, the extra weight of the AWD undermines the sporty handling, especially in a coupe. From what I've heard, you can expect a 5-10% real world reduction in gas mileage (my friend consistently gets 33+/- on the highway, so the EPA estimate is not the benchmark). Lastly, with respect to resale, I would expect the majority of 335ci buyers to not be willing to pay extra for the "x", if they would want it at all.
Wouldn't it just be easier to get a 335ci with an extra set of winter wheels (that you will probably need to get for the "x" anyways, given the sport package selection)?
The sport package on the xi includes 17" wheels and all-weather rubber. My '06 330xi handles better than the 330i/335i non-sp, imo. The standard SP on the 330/335 includes 18"/performance tires and "tuned" sport suspension. I believe the spring rates are changed and thicker stabilizers are included.
The xi gets 22 mpg combined consistently from my experience and cruising gets 27 on the highway.
In the snow, the setup is tremendous. In rain, the difference between the xi and the standard rwd setup feels like oil-slick with rwd/All-weather (335i) and rock-solid with the xi.
It's all a matter of security to me. If you want full fun factor, forget the xi. But go to driving school if you want to have safe fun!
If you want a heck of a lot of traction, AWD does it in the 3'er.
Regards,
OW
Exactly, AWD is a poor substitute for driving ability. Learn to drive rather than depend on the electronic safety nannies.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive