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And the GM triplets.... (although the Mazda has more tq)
Within that link was this:
Fuel Economy Ratings (L/100km)
4WD-
City 14.0
Highway 9.7
2WD-
City 13.02
Highway 9.0
Anyone know how this reads for miles per gallon?...if I had some brainpower this morning I guess I could figure it out, too lazy :-)
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1 Liter = 0.2641721 gallons.
Do the math.
Good catch.
17/24 for this new engine 4wd....if that is the case that is really awesome...a huge improvement over the other engine.
I mean that is the same mileage for a 2wd Sienna minivan yeah 2wd.
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So I had settled on a FWD, but I read two separate reviews that mentioned torque steer in the FWD model upon hard acceleration. This was mitigated in the AWD.
Anyone with a FWD model out there, and have you experienced this? Is it pronounced?
As for the engines, the MKX should have the 3.7L in it for 08. Also, the 3.5 duratec that is in the CX-9 is sourced directly from Ford and shipped to Japan, but Mazda modifies the Intake tract along with a revised engine calibration. The 2 engines are similar but the Mazda is much livelier, especially with the Aisin 6spd compared to that crap that Ford built with GM in the Edge/Acadia.
The links below from Ford shows that both the MKX and the ford Edge will continue to use the 3.5. The first application of a 3.7 in a Lincoln will be in the upcoming MKS sedan. This engine will be different from the Mazda engine in that it will feature Gasoline Direct Injection and twin turbo. Below is more information from the trade magazine 'Automotive News'. If the MKX gets a version of the 3.7 V6 engine, it will not be before the 2009 model year.
DETROIT-- Ford Motor Co. plans to boost fuel economy by rolling out what it calls "twin-force" technology: Two turbochargers on four-cylinder, V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines. Derrick Kuzak, group vice president for global product development, said the technology will deliver diesel-like fuel economy. Diesels offer a 25 to 30 percent gain in fuel economy compared with gasoline engines of the same size.
The first vehicle to use the twin-force technology is the upcoming Lincoln MKS flagship sedan due in 2008. Twin-force engines also will use gasoline direct injection, which increases power, Kuzak said at a press event here.
He said Ford also plans what it calls its power shift transmission, a six-speed automatic that combines features of a manual with an automatic, and variable displacement V-8 engines.
http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1613&press_section_id=398&make_id=93
http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1607&press_section_id=398&make_id=92
My friend who works for Ford has an SEL Edge and she likes it a lot but wishes she had the CX-9. She likes it even more. If I were you, I'd for sure go with the 08 CX-9, but I'm a little biased
As for your X plan/S plan dilemma, it actually is all 1 system, and in reality it's still an "X" plan pin #. The S plan pin # I used for our 07 CX-9 really came with an X plan #. The system uses one number, but uses the X plan for Mazdas. It's the same system, so if you can get a X plan pin #, then you should also be able to use it for the S plan on the CX-9. I could forward you the email I got with the generated S/X plan pin #. It actually says congrats on your X plan pin code. I don't see a problem on your side there.
The MKX is supposed to get the 3.7L motor to differentiate Lincoln and the MKX from Ford and the Edge. As of now, there is really no difference between Lincoln and Ford. Cadillac and GM are similar where cadillac gets specific engines only for them do differentiate it from Buick, GM, etc.
Drove the CX-9 GT AWD and Enclave, both real nice. Here's my situation:
- Have S plan (as mentioned a while back) so price paid on varies by bonus cash
- In NO RUSH at all
- Like them all
What would you do?
I'm leaning to waiting for the
employee friend of mine..so if I read you correctly that number could be use for either x or s plan?...I went to Wayne MAZDA (they are supposed to be the biggest in the country)and very competitive in prices,when I mentioned S plan the said that if I bring my son's s plan pin they will give me s plan pricing on a CX 9 GT AWD loaded the way I want it....my son works for a business partner of FORD and I am afraid to jeopardize his position and maybe the sales people at Wayne MAZDA were just toying with me and try to get me there.Sometimes I dissagree with the pricing a la Saturn but..maybe there is some value to it...soon I will be testing the 08 CX 9 as soon as it arrives...
If you use X/S a good thing is you dont worry about price - so really it doesnt matter where you go. Wayne has the largest selection - but any dealer can probably swap vehicles and get you one from their lot.
I dont think they are allowed to NOT take the S plan. I'd venture a guess that they'd be in hot water with Mazda if they did so. I think Mazda in general can restrict what vehicles it offers the discount - but once offered, I believe every dealer needs to honor.
Good luck
Here is what I gathered about "S" plan prior to purchase after talking to Mazda corporate office in US.
1) Participation varies from dealer to dealer.
A particular dealer is not obligated to offer
vehicles under "S" plan.
2) Dealer "can charge" resonable document fees
under Mazda "S" plan. They are not supposed to
do it for Ford "X" plan.
3) Dealer is obligated to show you the official
invoice with "S" plan price on it.
4) Most discount you get under "S" plan is
on the base vehicle. Accessories are not
that much discounted.
5) Mazda "S" plan is applicable only to the
vehicles "in-stock". If you order something
customized, dealer is not going to offer
the "S" plan price.
My local Mazda dealer refused to accept "S" plan price for CX-9 so I went to a dealer 55 miles away from my house and got a fantastic deal on a fully loaded GT AWD CX-9.
You are right Wayne charges $199 for etching (already pre-printed on all contracts!) $70 credit inquiry fee (?) $364 reg/title fee (This seems to me to be a bit of a sham. They tell you it covers registration for 4 years and then you sign another piece of paper that says they will refund you the money if it turns out they are overcharging you ????) $269 doc fee.
Anyway, for a Touring that was MSRP $35,105 I was able to pay $35,000 including EVERY LAST PENNY OF ANY AND ALL FEES AND TAXES. (In NJ as you know sales tax comes to well over $2000). That's how I said it when I negotiated.
PS The "sort of" is that as I was leaving (I was to pick up the car in 2 days) they told me at the same time my contract was being worked up the csr was sold to someone else. Now supposedly they will get me the same exact car at negotiated price in 5-7 days. We'll see.
Does all this seem too phony? I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for those 5-7 days.
They are by far the largest dealer in US. Not sure of this is good or bad.
Any doc fee over $50 is suspect.
One way to avoid fighting over the line item fees is to focus on your out the door price. See Out The Door (OTD) Pricing questions for more.
Salespeople got to eat too, so I don't mind leaving some money on the table. Just not too much.
I agree with what others are saying here - that with all the fees, it becomes impossible to understand exactly what your money is truly going for. All I know is that I did my homework, calculating what I thought would be a good monthly rate based on my expected cost for the car and all fees, as well as the current lease values. As long as they hit that number, I no longer care if they put $200 towards the etching, a pedicure, or anything else. Let them play with the numbers however they like to make them work best for their needs.
I, too, needed to wait for a car since they didn't have the color/equipment combo we wanted. This did make me extremely uneasy since I had paid my OOP money and signed a contract, but realized there was nothing that set a deadline for this waiting. Just about 10 days later, though, I did have my car, so I'd be optimistic.
Funny thing is that I wound up with a car that MazdaUSA online inventory had listed with Wayne Mazda since before I signed at the end of June. I do wonder if they delayed the sale on purpose just to pocket the $500 Mazda is offering now. Again, though, I'm not sweating it since I was willing to pay the price I paid in June before that was available.
FWIW, it is an AWD GT with moonrrof/Bose, roof rails, mud guards, mats, etc., 24 month lease, 10,500 miles/yr for $475/month, with $1000 out of pocket (which includes first month).
If they try to tack it on at the end of the deal, walk. There's another dealer in the next block, town or county.
And you can call me Steve. :shades:
Thanks
I am looking at the same car GT AWD CX-9. I would love the 2008, but not sure if I can wait. Wayne IS the only dealer in the country advertising the 2008's and claim they will have in stock by end of month beginning of Aug at the latest. As I am new to some of the lingo, please help me understand what the S-plan is.
Thanks