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Mercury Milan vs Toyota Camry
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mercury milan is the bestest
And, you said bestest........are you serious?
I'd list the MazdaSpeed 6 and Honda Accord V6 6-speed as speed competitors. The Nissan Altima V6 is as powerful as the Camry's as well.
I just realized, you probably meant between these two competitors only. My mistake.
Thats my opinion and obviously you will disagree. But that is okay because we are all entitled to our own opinions.
The Ford was AWD vs. front drive for the others.
The '07 Camry sales already past the half MILLION mark,
something Ford can only dream about.
And making marketing moves like changing the Ford 500 name to Taurus is questionable.
All the folks who went for the 500 in its brief life will get even less if they trade.
With Damlier-Chrysler looking to sell the Chrysler division will Ford next? It may be the only way it will stop bleeding money and introducing dated products like its Edge [heavy, seats only 5, poor MPG, ESC not standard].
That's perfectly valid since the others don't offer AWD and the prices of the competing vehicles were similar. For the same money you get AWD and better handling.
ESC not standard].
ESC IS standard. If you're going to rant at least get your facts straight.
The Ford was AWD vs. front drive for the others.
That was kind of the point of the ad...to inform people that Fusion has AWD available.
No rant here, just facts except for the VSC error. I'm glad Ford is finally adopting VSC - I have already owned 5 vehicles from Toyota/Scion - ALL of them had/have VSC. The Highlander's VDIM is probably the best overall VSC program around and is included on the Camry Hybrid.
My wife is commuting in our new Camry LE 4 cyl. and has already gotten one tankful at 30 mpg.
Sorry, but that is just a ridiculous comment for a number of reasons.
This discussion is comparing two sedans.
There is a wagon version of the Fusion, as well...it is called Edge. So that would be the Highlander competitor.
Finally, I doubt a Highlander is comparably priced to AWD Milan/Fusion.
The reason Toyota has tons of money is because they are producing what the consumer wants, and they have consistently been exceptional in the car business.
When I was in grad school, Toyota was the benchmark for a well-run manufacturing company, and we studied their methods all the time, just like other companies still do.
The Fusion is a good car for some, the Camry a good car for others. It really is just a personal preference.
That is supposed to be a bargain, I guess.
I paid $16,000 for my 4 cyl Mazda6 automatic (mid level trim) and I know someone who paid about $18,000 for the top trim level 4 cyl automatic Mazda 6. I think Fusion/Milans sell for similar prices, if you factor in the value of discount financing.
Folks shopping AWDs won’t EVEN go test drive a Camry but Subaru has had a sedan for over a decade, and if their pockets are deep enough there are several German units with ‘quattro’or AWD. So your support for a biased media event is like comparing apples and oranges.
Thus the C & D {they are biased against Toyota – that’s another discussion) “test” was bound to get some Wow for the 4 corner Ford. Must be a decent AWD system – I’ve owned Subarus and SUVs w/AWD/4WD (worked part time for a ski resort for 20 years) and nothing I ever owned or ridden in on ski trips and navigating resort parking lots is better in the snow/slush/ice etc. than my current Highlander. I’ll finish off this off topic paragraph with this - my Hhybrid will get 22 – 23 mpg on the freeway with a Thule Evolution Ski Box bolted to the racks. My buds with 4Runners or Jeeps with similar box systems hardly get 15 – 16 mpg in the same conditions. Feels great to be green to. Everything but nav and $10K less than the Lexus hybrid with a 3rd row seat.
To conclude:
While I have seen a few AWD Subaru sedans in the ski area’s employee parking, mostly you see their wagons and lots of Toyota products. One of our former mountain managers had an Audi AWD sedan but I’ll bet the only AWD Milans/Fusions that turn up are cars parents bought for their kids who drop out of school to chase their powder dreams for a season.
Personally, I don't want Ford to try to match Toyota in total sales. I just want Ford to be profitable and to make competitive cars that appeal to certain people in a way that a Toyota product do not. The more more market share Toyota gains, the more bland and lowest common denominator it will have to make its cars.
When a journalist asked a Toyota Exec how he felt about other journalists describing the new Camry as bland and lacking soul, the Exec replied by reminding the journalist that Americans' favorite flavor of ice cream is Vanilla.
The problem with that kind of thinking is that no one pays extra for Vanilla. They pay extra for Ben&Jerrys' Chubby Hubby, etc.
One difference between Toyota and Mazda is that Mazda takes great lenghts try to understand why people get passionate about cars. As a result, Mazda profits are up, and sales are up even though Mazda is still a pretty low volume brand in the US.
Ford needs to make vehicles that people feel passionate about. The Mustang, the Fusion, these are aspireational vehicles.
Anyone want to start one?
Mark.
Really...and how does your overpriced hybrid hylander fit into that discussion?
You keep returning to the AWD Fusion v. front wheel drive Accord, Camry which isn't the topic either.
Your support for FOMOCO is admirable considering they are bleeding money.
Too bad you can't afford a great vehicle like the Highlander.
Load up a Merc Milan sedan and you will really see some rapid depreciation. Consumer Reports has the H hybrid as their top pick for the second year. As I recall the Milan is mid pack in comparos. I personally don't like to settle for mediorce products and I consider the overpriced "Ford" Milan in that group.
The Taurus was about 38% so that gives you an idea about the difference between a good and a bad car.
As for affording a Highlander, until it makes you a cup of coffee in the morning and kisses you good night, its just a car. I'd rather be able to put my kids through college.
Mark.
Its comments like these that kill me. I could have easily afforded a Camry/Accord but CHOSE to spend my money I saved on a trip to Maui! I won't again fall for the perceived reliability/quality advantage all these media types boast. They are trying to keep sales of their mags up and how best to to this than go with the majority. Take a minute and think about it. Its only a matter of time for consumers to start to realize you don't have to spend the extra $$ on a Honda/Toyota to get a great quality/reliable vehicle.
I think you absolutely got it.If they keep building cars like this, they will be fine. They also have to remember not to let them sit for 5 years without any improvements.
Its comments like these that kill me. I could have easily afforded a Camry/Accord but CHOSE to spend my money I saved on a trip to Maui!
Yeah, I was done responding the continued bragging/baiting, but I will echo your comments. I can afford pretty much whatever car I want...Mazda6 was the vehicle I liked the best, the bargain price (about 1/2 the price of a hybrid highlender, btw) was a nice bonus. I do also like being able to keep my assets to fund a planned early retirement.
A $35K, glorified Camry Wagon hybrid that gets 22 – 23 mpg on the freeway (as krypto bragged) is not real impressive, anyway. In addition, I assume it rides like a Buick and has seats designed for the thighless, like other Toyotas.
Your reading skills are very selective. The 22 - 23 mpg is with a Thule Evolution Cargo Box [look it up]. As any roof carrier lowers mpg by 10 - 13%, 23 is excellent for AWD, freeway speeds. loaded down.
In an earlier post I mentioned 26 -27 highway which is outstanding. We`have gotten a couple of tank fulls at 28 mpg.
My brother in law's Jeep GC Hemi w/cylinder deactivation maxs out with no rack at 19.5 mpg highway and I outran him in my Hh in an eighth of a mile street drag.
Sorry to enable the extreme off topic BS but if this guy keeps twisting my posts, and INCORRECTLY posting information about me, I guess the hosts may lock it down.
The Merc is not a huge seller and is a clone to boot but is half of the topic..
What about it jeffery - wanna' get back on the Mercury issues?<img src="
However, if you can keep it civil, I have no problem leaving it the way it is.
Uh...sorry but it was YOU that thought Highbred Hylanders belonged in this discussion. So it is YOU that put the discussion off-topic.
and now I am done responding to your posts here.
Apparently some think that mentioning the Fusion is more off topic than the Hibread Hylender.
Take a look at the 2007 Corolla. The didn't even a wind seal around the entire door. You might not miss it unless you previously owned a Corolla that had it .
New Toyota Tundra is a great example of cost savings measures. The frame has no hydro forming, is not fully boxed, and doesn't even have welded cross members.
The F-150 has hydroformed front rails, is fully boxed the length of the truck and has through welded cross members. Each cross member is welded on both sides of the frame rail wall.
As a result Ford has the strongest stiffest frame of any light duty pickup.
Mark
Same surveys put the Highlander Highbred on top of mid sized SUVs for the second year in a row. And I like Kermit, love being green.
Mark
Even with such shortcuts, assembly quality can still be excellent.
Mark
How can you say the Milan is "built cheaply" in Mexico? It it because its assembled in Mexico? Engineering shortcuts? Where? Panel gaps? What?? You really need to get a Premier Milan, park it next to a like optioned Camry. Go in with an open mind (at least try). The quality/fit/finish of the Milan is on par with the Camry.
A major car mag tested the Fusion against all the Asian competitors. It noted the Fusion had larger panel gaps and other (minor) engineering shortcuts. But the mag did not say the build quality was poor; I am not saying that either.
The era of Camry dominance is clearly over.
Toyota or Honda could do the same thing. If someone is very impressionable due to a commercial, versus actuallty test driving cars and doing other research, I don't really care.
In all honesty, I believe Ford paid for these tests to convince Fusion owners that they made the right decision over purchasing a Camry. The commercial/ad is for their own sake and for the sake of Fusion owners.
I have talked to a few Fusion owners who hate their cars but are trapped in a lease. Does that mean anything though?
A test that is not authentic carries no merit. Thats what I'm saying.
Isn't it just a tiny bit possible that the normal average everyday car buyer prefers the Fusion as opposed to automotive journalists who have all sorts of hidden personal and professional biases?
Milan/Fusion and Camry/Avalon are different kind of vehicles. One is for younger crowd who prefer spirited and sporty ride. And later is for older tired crowd who prefer soft and quiet ride.
May be better to compare Milan with Accord and Camry with Sonata? I saw spy pictures of new Accord. Nothing exceptional – typical Accord – no revolution. But real life impressions may be different. My prediction though - it will be continuation of boring design approach, my guess - Honda does not want to alienate core constituency since they make purchase decisions based not on design but on reliability mainly.