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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge
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I also looked and really liked the CX-7, but my wife was buying this vehicle. The pros to the Rav4 was more cargo space than the CX-7 (36.4 cu ft VS 29.9 cu ft w/back seats up.) Much more w/the seats down, just can't recall how much.
More rear leg room and adjustable rear seats. (recline and more forward or back) The CX-7 doesn't do that. Alot better turn radius. Runs on Regular instead of premium and better MPG. It also edged CX-7 in power.
The Rav4 and CX-7 in my book were nose to nose w/everything else. My wife test drove both and fell in love w/the Rav at first drive. We didn't even look at the Santa Fe, even though it is a impressive SUV.
Rav4 will more than likely have alot better resale value. (I know, you also at times probably have to pay somewhat more) I felt I received a good deal w/Toyota. I have heard people getting good deals on the Rav4 too, though.
In the end we needed more room. We have a 3 month old and needed the cargo space and veratility. The Rav4 fit the bill. I think I defended the Rav4 very well.
Travis
1. Doors that hinge from the side allow for things like skis to overhang the back of the vehicle.
2. You can add a bike rack on the the spare to carry 1 or 2 bikes. I had this on my CRV but I was fearful of opening the door with the bikes on it.
3. With a right hinge door, make sure you get the right bay in the garage. My car was stuck in the left bay and that is why I had to constantly walk around the damn door!
To each his own! I still prefer the top hinge.......
The overhang issue is real though - when I carry canoes, the hatch only comes up so far before I bang the gunnels. You have to duck (watch your head!) to grab something. This load was better than usual since there was just one short solo canoe on top:
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With either door, you have to untie the rear line on the canoe to open the door unless you fudge a bit and tie the rear painter to the roof rack (or omit tying it altogether). An opening hatch window would be great for those situations when you just want to toss one more flying projectile in the back.
The CX7 may be a great vehicle but some of the comparisons that I'm hearing here in this thread are utter nonsense.
Utter nonsense? Can you point to some examples?
Thanks, Vince.
Slalom and Lateral acceleration are very difficult to compare anymore as the stability control systems cut in so soon on the Edge when compared to other vehicles as it has RSC also. However the braking performance leaves something to be desired, and your fuel economy numbers are off. EPA est mpg 18/25 FWD and 17/24 AWD, but like everyone will see a drop of ~12% in the city and ~8% on the highway for the '08 model year.
Vince,
The post you responded to was an example.
BTW, out of over 400 posts in this discussion group, you pulled up only one comparison that you felt was invalid? That's why I was asking for some examples. I'm not an expert, so for me, it would be helpful to understand where some of the inaccuraces occur.
Vince.
Having a door mounted tire is great for easy access, but some people do have a hard time lifting a tire that high. The other drawback is it make the door heavier to handle for opening and closing. A third item is that rear mounted tires protrude a bit more than the vehicle so in a rear end collision the door is more likely to get damaged and actually cause more damge to the door than if a plain door gets hit. Vehicles with tires mounted underneath the vehicle are not super convenient either. Under the cargo tray just makes sense and is the easiest type of mounting to work with.
A "nicer feel" is a bit different than your original statement. I own a 2004 Audi, a 2005 New Generation VW Jetta and I'm cutting a deal on a CX7 tomorrow after putting one through the paces. The salesman let me go rugged on the vehicle and I took it on a very demanding twisty highway where I could hit 70 and 80 without trouble. I loved the way it performed enough to buy it and doubt that there is anything in it's SUV/CUV class that comes close including some of the more expensive vehicles out there, but it simply doesn't out handle my Audi or my VW Jetta, nor would I expect it to. I have yet to find a turn that these babies have trouble with, but I would not have that confidence with the CX7. It is fun to drive though, especially compared to CRV, RAV4, and Sante Fe. I tried to like the Sante Fe because of all the bang for the buck, but one thing I couldn't get used to was the bumpy ride. Not only was it a harsh ride, but each bump seemed to resonate through the seat to my back. I actually liked the CRV ride better. Just couldn't stand the CRV's low pep and lack of available amenities. What are they thinking? If people want more power and more luxuries, just offer it, instead of forcing people to go into a Pilot.
BTW, out of over 400 posts in this discussion group, you pulled up only one comparison that you felt was invalid? That's why I was asking for some examples. I'm not an expert, so for me, it would be helpful to understand where some of the inaccuraces occur.
Vince.
If I have a chance to go back and review, I'll point them out, but if you look they are all over the place.
All of those numbers are MT tests numbers, so write to them about accuracy. BTW, I don't think you would get even !8/23 mpg in real life. Bottom line - numbers for the Edge are worse than competition according to MT.
I'll respond to you as well as posting something in error as fact is just as bad as who said it wrong to begin with.
Never trust Motor Trend, it is total crap. Any magazine in which to win their Vehicle of the Year award you also have to turn in a marketing plan of how your going to advertise the vehicle and use the Motor Trend name in your own marketing, it makes the award useless. Motor Trend is also the worst about errors as well -- I have mailed them about errors on a few occasions and have never seen a retraction printed. I will be doing the same for this as well but don't hold my breath.
What Model and package did you get?
Good Luck and Happy New Year!
I looked at several others before buying the Santa Fe.
Honestly, I wouldn't buy any of these vehicles, they are too small after looking at them, I'm looking at the CX-9/Veracruz/Acadia size. I looked at the RAV4 and the interior seemed cheap, though it is really a 19,000 car that goes up to 30K so you get a 19k interior which is expected. The CX-7 and Santa Fe were both very nice, what i didn't like about the Mazda was the Turbo I-4 and premium Fuel as well as the size.
The Santa Fe was a really nice vehicle, the only faults were the steering wheel felt funny(texture, and size) the stereo wasn't that good, the major down fall was I could not get a Navigation system in it, and I need it for my job. It was also a little smaller than I wanted; the new Veracruz should fix those issues.
The Santa is much nicer looking, inside and out. The interior is just beautiful, with the blue lighting and neatly organized center stack. It's much more of an upscale feel than the RAV4 interior.
On the outside, the Santa Fe is clean and beautiful. The RAV4 isn't bad, but it still has a slightly feminine look to it, especially with the spare tire cover. It's better than the previous generation, though.
Both vehicles have excellent under-floor storage in the cargo area. The Santa Fe's bin is significantly larger than the RAV4's, assuming you don't get third-row seats.
I wasn't terribly sensitive to things like handling and steering feel, and I enjoyed both cars. Power and acceleration was a clear win for the RAV4 - man, is that thing fast! It's just like nothing I've driven in years - so freakin' quick.
Two major features are missing in the Santa Fe (major to me at least): auxiliary audio input, and Bluetooth. For '07, the RAV4 added Bluetooth as part of the JBL package, and it looks very well executed. Buttons are on the steering wheel, and it looks like the call info displays on the stereo screen. There's also an aux input in the center storage bin.
On the other hand, satellite radio seems like an afterthought dealer accessory for the RAV4, and I hear buzz that the kit is buggy. New-production Santa Fe have XM built in, and there's a dedicated XM button on the stereo. Another thing - the stereo and HVAC displays on the Santa Fe are big, multi-line displays. For XM radio, you see the full name of the station in big letters. Not sure how clear it will be on the RAV4.
Funny thing -- I actually went off-road during the RAV4 test drive. We found a construction site and climbed up a big berm. These cute-utes are more capable than I realized. I was amused to see the Downhill Assist Control (DAC) button in the RAV4 -- thinks it's a Land Rover or something.
Anyway, it's a tough call.
Your comments about the RAV 4: "The RAV4 isn't bad, but it still has a slightly feminine look to it, especially with the spare tire cover"
My son says the current Ford Mustang is a "chick car".
I've never understood. So how can the RAV4 and Mustang be similar? What makes a vehicle feminine or masculine? I would like an objective list, point by point, of what makes a vehicle a chick car or butch. Let's see some discussion from men and women! Let's have some fun with this!
Vince.
The Jeep Wrangler has a rear mounted tire. Is that a feminine look? Same configuration as the RAV 4.
Same thing about the new Toyota FJ Cruiser. Much more butch don't you think?
Ah, what about the Hummer H3? It's got a tire mounted on the back. Definately a chick car? Naw, definately has the manly look, right?
Come on gang, help me out here. From my perspective, about the only thing that would be questionable, would be the colors, say a vehicle painted baby blue or hot pink.
What's your take?
Vince.
I like my minivan - it holds my two (très macho) snowboards, mtn. bike, canoe and camping gear nicely and also hauled my weaving loom over from Oregon one weekend and does frequent duty hauling straw and peat moss for my gardening.
Are you suggesting I need to paint one side of it pink and the other blue?
btw, I don't mind being seen in my sister's New Beetle either - it drives pretty good.
Paint one side blue the other pink? Ugh...you must be one of those hippy types, the old VW wagon type! The kind with those cute flowers painted all over, from the 60's.
Later, Vince.
Part of the issue is the marketing - women buy or influence the purchase of ~80% of all new cars so lots of it is slanted that way.
I do tend to see more women driving Hummers than men for some reason. :confuse:
The first was a dog, a 1984 4banger with auto (the iron duke engine), and the second was a gung-ho 1987 V6 with a stick used by the previous owner to race locally in Conn.
The next year 1988, it came out with a Lotus designed suspension. I still yearn for that model. Talk about road holding.
Regardless, both drew mucho macho attention although at the time they were considered "Chick" cars. Well, maybe not not the GT.
I suppose I still have the bug owning the CX-7 and looking to improve its speed and handling.
Depends on how you see things...for instance, the Toyota RAV4 would seem a titch more "chick" with it's rear-mounted spare than the Sportsman, but that's just the way I see those two rigs. I could see a guy driving a RAV4 and looking...looking...like a guy driving a small Japanese SUV named RAV4 and the whole thing would work like Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady together in the Rocket's lineup...harmoniously and good.
Yes.
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Vince.
Vince.
Vince.
Never knew you to be such a Philosopher. :shades:
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