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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge

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  • d_hyperd_hyper Posts: 130
    Old habits die hard... What you described is a TRUCK :)
    There's no Sport in this type of the SUV.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    You forgot the braking requirement..... ;)
  • I am talking from a handling perspective. Rugged might be a different comparison alltogether. I have put over 1000 miles on my CX7. I am very happy with it in the way it handles, accelerates, rides, and holds the road. Having said that, it is still not the driving machine that my Audi or VW is. My Jetta is the 2005 "New" Jetta 2.5
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    Absolutely. The CX-7 was never intended to compete with the likes of Audi or VW. Its an SUV. I had a TT. Killer handling. Miss the TT most.
  • Well, that's cool. But for starters, the EPA, NHTSA, Edmunds, and as a rule - the car manufacturers - disagree with you. To each his own.

    The flip side of the coin is, I think the "real men" who drive the "real SUVs" you describe in an urban environment (or as commuter vehicles) either have a screw loose, or a trouser confidence problem.

    Personally, I gave up my 14 mpg F-150 4X4 when I finally realized I don't move house that often or work on a farm. Also, the post-apocalyptic nuclear winter I always bragged about being able to slog through in the thing never came. So I bought "a tall wagon" instead. ;)
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Well, that's cool. But for starters, the EPA, NHTSA, Edmunds, and as a rule - the car manufacturers - disagree with you. To each his own.

    The flip side of the coin is, I think the "real men" who drive the "real SUVs" you describe in an urban environment (or as commuter vehicles) either have a screw loose, or a trouser confidence problem.

    Personally, I gave up my 14 mpg F-150 4X4 when I finally realized I don't move house that often or work on a farm. Also, the post-apocalyptic nuclear winter I always bragged about being able to slog through in the thing never came. So I bought "a tall wagon" instead.


    I understand your desire to convience yourself that you really wanted to get rid of the truck...

    P.S. It's ok....
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    If your going to patronize someone you may want to consider spell checking your responses. That aside, well done. Very entertaining to read... ;)
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    If your going to patronize someone ...

    even spell check won't correct it to you're. ;)

    We may as well stick to the topic rather than pointlessly chiding each other over trivial spelling errors.

    tidester, host
  • fonefixerfonefixer Posts: 247
    Have about 4000 miles on a Cx-7 and like most everything about it except the MPG. Getting 16.5 mpg strictly in town driving.Except for gas cap replacement, seems to be a reliable machine.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Actually, you are quite right. An "SUV" by definition is a passenger vehicle with the tow capacity of a pick-up.

    However, if you read closely, you are in a thread that consists of "crossover SUV's" Crossover SUV's by definition uses a car design and components for lighter weight and better fuel economy.

    This new type of vehicle came about from the numerous complaints by consumers to the manufacturers about the undesirable "truck-like" ride and demands for a "car-like" ride.

    Mazda Tribute=SUV
    Mazda CX-7=crossover SUV
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    And the Tribute is not a crossover SUV how? :)

    Mazda Tribute=crossover SUV
    Mazda CX-7=crossover SUV


    fixed ;)
  • sssfegysssfegy Posts: 132
    The Tribute has a car frame(626) but a truck suspension, intended to be a softer ride, which does not make it a crossover. Somewhere in between!
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    It's not a crossover? So what is it? What's somewhere in between called?

    Is the Escape a crossover then? How about the Mariner?
  • pelican19pelican19 Posts: 323
    Tidester,

    These forums are for an exchange of information. Every now and then some of us enjoy a bit of fun. If you look back sranger was doing just that. I thought I would jump in. Again, just having a bit of fun no harm was intended.

    P.S.

    " CHIDING " Nice! Had to look that one up...:)
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Every now and then some of us enjoy a bit of fun.

    And so do some of the hosts. :)

    tidester, host
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I apologize. I should have been a bit more clear.

    The Mazda Tribute v6 with the tow package has a tow cap. of 3500lbs. It also is a 4x4, not AWD. So, by the original definition of a "SUV", if we are to go by that (tow cap. of a truck in a passenger vehicle), the Tribute V6 w/tow is an "SUV".

    I am well aware of that platform the Tribute is based off of, basically making it a crossover SUV. As stupid as this whole thing sounds, the Tribute V6 w/tow is a "SUV", the other trim levels are "crossover SUV's", if you want to go by the definition of what an SUV and a crossover SUV is.

    My original point was to show how the CX-7 is a "crossover SUV" (which I happen to prefer), and how the Tribute can be considered an "SUV"

    Really stupid, I know. Just makes good debate :shades:
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    So, let me get this straight. The Tribute V6 w/tow is an SUV but without, it's a crossover?

    So, using that same analogy, a CX-7 w/towing can be considered an SUV while a CX-7 without towing is a cross-over? :confuse:

    Vince. :shades:
  • sssfegysssfegy Posts: 132
    I do not agree with the definsion period! ;) To me the difference lays in suspension( resolutes into the hgh center of gravity)..that's why nobody cares about roll-overs in sedans...a truck is flaud! So anything with 3 stars or less on roll over testing, and even then there might be exceptions (I don't think the new Rav is a crossover..it still feels like a triuck in it's responses).
  • I think theres only 3 primary categories.
    Cars, vans, and trucks/suvs.
    The 4th is a hybrid called wagons/ crossovers.

    Cars handle well and get good gas mileage.
    Wagons/crossovers, can hold more luggage, and offer awd.
    Vans hold maximum amount of people and cargo space, a very useful box, or "living room" on wheels, but no full frame.
    Trucks are working vehicles, no more no less.
    SUVS are covered trucks, that still have min.3500lb towing with limited passenger compartment, due to high floor/ground clearance.

    The new crossovers are modified wagons, that sit higher off the road. I think they are useful for people who don't need trucks, but enjoy the truck image, however, they are no longer specialists. They dont accomplish the primary tasks, of cars, vans, or trucks exceedingly well. BUT then again I haven't tried the new Honda MDX.
    After testing a Cx7, try driving a BMW3-wagon. Thats the superior wagon !
  • chstr1chstr1 Posts: 3
    Yeah, I got me one of them; it's a Toyota Tundra pickup. My SUV is just that.....a utility vehicle. I love it, but try to take my truck away and you will wake up with something busted. ;) ;)
  • I didn't agree with sranger's definition (nor, as I said, do the government/manufacturers/automotive press) but nevertheless, he did define an SUV as having a >3000 lb towing capacity. Therefore, in his world, the CX-7 does not qualify. Not that there is a towing "package" for the CX-7, anyway... ;)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,462
    According to the link in another post I made today, no one tows anymore anyway. ;)

    steve_, "Towing tips for SUVs" #362, 22 Jan 2007 2:11 pm
  • Nothing focuses the mind better than necessity, eh.
    When gas hits $9/$10 per gallon, 3 categories of vehicles will become crystal clear.
    You drive a truck, because you need it to work or haul heavy stuff, a minivan because you transport people,
    or a 2010 2.2l CRD diesel/hybrid Honda Accord Hatchback/wagon, VW TDI, or such, that gets easy 40mpg.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I said the Tribute V6 w/tow can be considered an SUV, if you go by the definition* of what an SUV is.

    The CX-7 does not have a tow cap. of at least 3500lbs, so, it cannot be considered a SUV. It only has a tow cap. of 2000lbs. Once again, going by the definition*.

    Once again, I think it is retarded to have multiple definitions, however, consumers are the ones who caused it. To me, they are all SUV's.

    *source for crossover SUV, and SUV definition is Wikipedia.
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Mr. Aviboy, I love yankin' your chain. I introduced this entire thread "tongue in cheek"...to me, this is supposed to be a light-hearted exchange. It's interesting to watch people voice their opinions and in the final analysis...who cares? Everyone's opinion is valid and I haven't disagreed with anyone. :P

    So, should I continue on or should we just let this discussion die peacefully?

    Ok, I'm done....next topic?

    Vince.
  • cxrabbitcxrabbit Posts: 134
    SUV, car, crossover, truck... I think I'll just call mine Nathan. Oh wait, cars are supposed to be "girls" aren't they?

    *waits for another debate*
  • vbbuiltvbbuilt Posts: 498
    Gyrl, you can call yours whatever you want!
  • astegmanastegman Posts: 171
    Call me nuts, but I've always considered my cars to be male! Even my Lexus RX300, which I've seen for years described as "the woman's SUV." I don't know what it is, but my cars have all been given male names. I mean, I had 2 Chevy Blazers...not exactly that feminine. And for a number of years, I had a 1965 Mustang convertible (which, even with its pale yellow color, was very butch...I called him Boomer). Anyway, my current car, the CX-7, is named D'brickashaw, after a player on the Jets.
  • chstr1chstr1 Posts: 3
    OK....you and D'brickashaw are NUTS
  • astegmanastegman Posts: 171
    OK....you and D'brickashaw are NUTS

    No doubt about it, and proud of it. :blush:
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