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Hyundai Santa Fe vs Toyota RAV4 vs Mazda CX-7 vs Ford Edge
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Buzzy ? You have got to be talking about the 4 cyl base model. I have a 6 cyl Limited and there's no way that engine is buzzy. Nor would I refer to it as a cheap piece of tin. I wasn't very impressed with my 1st test drive of a 4cyl base model. It was sparten on the inside and there was no mistaking it for anything other than a 4 cyl. The limited model with a V6 is a different story.
I do like that you can fold down the rear seats from a lever in the back- that's cool!
The 3.5L6 does offer great power, but it needs some sound muffling. The sounds that I heard emanating from that hood were very '90's to my ears.
Avoid shutting the engine off abruptly after a long or HARD DRIVE, damage to the turbocharger may result...
I've never owned a turbo before, but if the people who designed and built this baby say "cool down for thirty seconds", then I'm doing just that!
And honestly, how can anyone be so lazy as to want to coast to your destination rather than sitting in the best crossover SUV for thirty more seconds?
Frontal
Driver - 5 Star
Passenger - 5 Star
Side
Front Seat - 5 Star
Rear Seat - 5 Star
Rollover
TBD
06 Hyundai Santa Fe (http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3515.html) (07 TBD)
Front
Driver - 4 Star
Passenger - 5 Star
Side
Front Seat - 5 Star
Rear Seat - 5 Star
Rollover
FWD - 3 Star
AWD - 3 Star
07 Toyota RAV4 (http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/4039.html)
Front
Driver - 5 Star
Passenger - 4 Star
Side (TBD, showing 06 RAV4 instead)
Front Seat - 5 Star
Rear Seat - 5 Star
Rollover
FWD - 4 Star
AWD - 4 Star
Oh ... the navigator... I've never had one before. I love it. Already made getting places easier. I live in S.F. Bay Area and we have many tricky roads and businesses hidden away. I don't do anymore backtracking or time wasting searching anymore. LOVE MY NEW CX-7!!!!!!!
CX-7: Roadholding 0.84g
FX-35: Roadholding 0.80g
Touareg V8: Roadholding 0.82g
X5 3.0i: Roadholding 0.82g
Okay, so this is only one little part of the handling equation, and yes, the X3 performs better... But my recollection of the magazine's opinion on the X3 was that it was an extreme rough-rider with the sport package. They found it inappropriate for everyday use, and these are sporty guys!
Put another way, looking only at skidpad grip and braking, the CX-7's numbers are comparable with a Porsche Cayenne V6. Do you think anyone is cross-shopping THOSE two? :shades:
Worst car we ever had. So much for expert reviews...
As far as the Citation being "the best car ever made," I remember back in high school thinking my '76 Buick Skyhawk was the best car ever made, too. Had grand dreams of souping it up and making a racer/chick magnet out of it... I ended up selling it for $300 and wouldn't touch it now, even for free, and even for nostalgia's sake. How times change...
Hey.. I had a Buick Skyhawk or Skylark or whatever it was called, too. My dad was an exec for GM here in Fremont, Ca. We made Buickss in the Fremont plant. He walked one of these through the assembly process. Wass buying it for my mom. It was called the "California Grand Sport". A limited edition only for Ca buyers. It had a 425 cubic inch Buick Wild Cat engine, which turned out 400 horsess. Freakin fast! Too fast for my mom, so I got to drive it for the rest of my highschool years. 68-69. Great car, real muscle. Things went down hill after the 60's and early 70's muscle car era came to a close. Boy, those were the days but then again, gas was 31 - 34 cents a gallon. In 69, when I went off to college in Oregon, I was paying 26 - 29 cents a gallon and started with a Chevy Vega, 1st degree trash! I ended up trashing it and buying a used 1960 MGA sports car.... way more fun!
As far as the CX-7 handling as good or bad as other suv's, all I can say is that I test drove everything, and I mean everything. The Infinity was fun, but way too over priced. The rear view was terrible. Lots of obstruction around a too small rear window. Poor gas mileage also. The murano was fun, but felt larger than I wanted and interior was very plain in my view. The SRX was plush but clunky. The Lexus was nice and zippy, with pretty cool interior, but high pricing again. and on and on and on.... the CX-7 had lot of zip, and nicer interior than the Murano, felt roomier than the Infinity for some reason, and handled great. Price was excellent, compared to most others, especially when you consider what you get for the money. So I bought it. Money wasn't the main issue, but I couldn't ignore it. I love the CX-7 turbo.
Toyota > Hyundai > Mazda
Toyota is still at the top of crop, evident by the most recent VDS (measuring 2003MY vehicles, while both Mazda and Hyundai finished in the middle of the pack and below industry average. Hyundai, however, performed extremely well in the most recent IQS, even finished ahead of the Toyota brand and ranked third amongest all nameplates. Given historical trends, 2009 VDS should have Hyundai fairing well
In tulsa Ok real numbers are just over 3000 miles on ours
6/12 to today i have put in $407.05 in 91 octane fuel total #gallon 137.1 average 22.97 mpg lowest mpg is 20.9 and a high 23.7 highway mpg friday went 230 miles to fayettville all highway but turnpike speed 80 mph well 75 mph +5 that you can get under 80 they wont stop over 80 they stop
CX-7 is too new to have reliability stats, so you have to look at other Mazda models and try to crystal-ball or estimate how the CX-7 may fair. The stats in CR seems to mirror the data reported by JD Power, in that CR awards its coveted check mark to virtually all of Toyota models while Mazda has more checkered results, with about 50% of it's models getting that check mark. Hyundai fairs even worse.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/types/a-to-z-index.htm
If you need more info about how CR compiles it's reports and its methodology, go to http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/maintenance-accessories/consumer-reports- -car-reliability-faq-8-06/overview/0608_consumer-reports-carreliability-faq_ov.h- tm
Vince.
Hyundai = 33.33%
Not exactly a large Delta.
One should also consider that the CR is based past info and that the Quality and Reliability trend for Hyundai is upward.
While I am a CR subscriber and do use them to guide my purchases, they aren't the end-all, be-all infoulable reference. Some of the items they have recommended have proven to be not-so-good purchases for my family.
To illustrate my points, consider this:
Hyundai is now rated 3rd behind Lexus and Porsche in JD Powers IQS survey. That's correct, they beat Toyota even with all those check marks from CR.
CR also didn't give Porsche any, as in none, check marks.
I'm not saying JD Powers is any better or worse than CR, just that there are lots of facts and opinions out there.
I've owned small turbo 2.4 engine vehicles before. The performance was incredible, but the drivetrain longevity is also proportional.
I personally don't care for the looks of the CX-7 and didn't care about the sporty aspect so I bought the Santa Fe. I am happy with it because it fits my families needs.
In the end, get what you want - it's your money, be happy!
Also, see my post #1236 "Hyundai Quality" in the 07 Santa Fe forum.
jcspohr, "2007 Hyundai Santa Fe" #1236, 18 Aug 2006 1:27 pm
JCS
The fact of the matter is that JD Powers is nothing more than just a survey company that calls after a short period to determine if you're happy or not with your selection.
The real barometer is checking whats on the road daily, and what seems to be the most troublesome of friends and families.
Consumer Reports isn't as reliable as everyone thinks either; after all this is the same publication that said the Yugo was the car of the future!
I'm a firm believer of what continues to be a problem; i.e. transmission, electrical, cooling, etc. will always be a problem for some manufacturers until a change in ownership takes over. Jaguar had the worst rep when it comes to electrical, but Ford took it over and Jag is once again touted as being a benchmark player again...
Personally I found the Santa Fe a tad more boring than the Rav 4, and looking at the horsepower to horsepower comparisons between the CX-7 and Santa Fe, it wasn't close.
After driving a Camry for four years, I was absolutely ready for something to excite my senses!
It more than fits the need for myself and the days I'm hauling the kids when Mom has to work and I don't, but the CX-7 has a zoom-zoom you won't find on anything else!
Like I said before, we all have different wants/needs and should get what we want.
Also, you stated "the CX-7 has a zoom-zoom you won't find on anything else!"
Well... my Porsche Turbo had way more zoom than anything else!
Regards,
JCS
I fell compelled to respond to that statement. I believe the V6 RAV is capable of as much or more "zoom-zoom" than the CX-7.
From Edmunds test report The CX-7 simply got beat to 60 mph by a V6 RAV4 we tested on the same day, posting a time of 7.7 seconds versus the RAV's 7.1 seconds. Ouch.
I'm glad you like your car .. but it's not a WRX-STI.
Just curious. So, in your opinion, if a consumer is looking for a car and wants to make the best decision and do research, which magazine or publication would your recommend for consumers to consult? You poo-poo JD Powers and CR, so what's available?
For me, I reviewed CR, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road and Track, and Motor Week, scouring all for informed opinions. Then test drove and bought the vehicle.
Vince.
I have my own way of checking on the reputation of vehicles; Kelly Blue Book and N.A.D.A.!
The best way I've been able to find out about a vehicle is to check the resale value of the car in question, or manufacturer's reputation. If a car has a bad reputation, you can pretty much be assured the resale value will be in the crapper! :lemon:
Secondly I trust Motorweek, a PBS program with no commercial backing whose opinions are usually dead on. If they don't like it, they're at least tactful about it.
I don't have a bad opinion of Consumer Reports, I just said they sometimes miss the mark. I can't tell you how many times customers would walk in the dealerships I used to work in with a C.R. under their arms with real "know it all" attitude on their faces, only to run smack into a well prepped salesperson who had an answer to every question that C.R. raised. Some of these guys are smooth enough to sell icecubes to an Eskimo in winter!
Sometimes C.R. is really biased, but I do trust their used car opinions, when it comes to tracking problems in vehicles, no one gets it done better than C.R.
Lastly; when comparing the CX-7... compare apples to apples, the 7 blows away any other four cylinder CUV so far! As long as we're on the sunject, you can't compare Subaru's WX blah blah blah... to a CUV. Go run it against something in the market with it. Something like the Dodge Neon RT-4.
By the way; the new Dodge Caliber RT-4 will be a monster! This thing will shut down darn near anything on the road!
# 300 horsepower, 260 lb-feet of torque
# 0-60 in under 6 seconds (similar to Neon SRT-4)
# 28 mpg on the highway (22 city)
# Front wheel drive / manual transmission only
# Quarter mile in under 14 seconds
# 60-0 braking in 115 feet
2.4-liter turbocharged... Yikes
We have their Circle Ratings on most cars over on the research pages at Edmunds.com.
link
The other wrinkle is that some cars tend to get sold to rental fleets and they tend to glut the market, depressing prices. They aren't necessarily unreliable cars though.
And Motorweek is sponsored by Dunlop, Radio Shack, The Stanley Works and some other car site. link
Oh yeah, one more nit pick - Kelley sells a subscription book just to dealers last I heard, so you have to be careful which number you are looking at. What is the "Kelley Blue Book" Price?. You'll see a lot of banks using NADA - banks only lend up to the wholesale value of a used car, and some people think banks like NADA because they inflate the values a bit (enabling the banks to justify loaning more money to the buyer).
There's lots of sources you can use out there and you should take advantage of them; the watchword may be trust but verify....
'Nuff said...
There is no comparison between both vehicles to me, just sit in the driver back seat and have someone drive over 60 mph in both vehicles and see which one will whistle your ear out of place! The Mazda is much more superrior in every dimension, you just need to drive it more than once to get to see its limits. Impressive Mazda as usuall recently. As a matter of fact I would buy the CX-7 over the Touareg (which I sold for 2 years) it is a much more responsive car in real city driving much lighter and easier to steer, and everything always works!
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13867
Mazda Recalls by Model
• 2006 Mazda Tribute S
• 1994 Mazda 323
• 2006 Mazda Tribute I
• 1994 Mazda 626 ES
• 2005 Mazda Tribute S
• 1994 Mazda MX-3 RS
• 2005 Mazda RX-8
• 1994 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 2005 Mazda Tribute I
• 1994 Mazda Navajo DX
• 2004 Mazda MAZDA6 S
• 1993 Mazda MX-3 GS
• 2004 Mazda Tribute LX
• 1993 Mazda MX-6
• 2004 Mazda MPV ES
• 1993 Mazda Navajo LX
• 2004 Mazda Tribute DX
• 1993 Mazda 323 SE
• 2004 Mazda MAZDA6 I
• 1993 Mazda MX-3
• 2004 Mazda MPV LX
• 1993 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 2004 Mazda Tribute ES
• 1993 Mazda RX-7
• 2004 Mazda RX-8
• 1993 Mazda MX-6 LS
• 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
• 1993 Mazda Navajo DX
• 2003 Mazda MPV ES
• 1993 Mazda Miata MX-5 Limited
• 2003 Mazda Protege5
• 1992 Mazda B-2200
• 2003 Mazda Protege LX
• 1992 Mazda Navajo LX
• 2003 Mazda Tribute LX
• 1992 Mazda 626 LX
• 2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege 2003.5
• 1992 Mazda MX-3
• 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 SV
• 1992 Mazda MX-6 GT
• 2003 Mazda MAZDA6 I
• 1992 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
• 1992 Mazda Navajo DX
• 2003 Mazda MPV LX
• 1992 Mazda 626 DX
• 2003 Mazda Protege ES
• 1992 Mazda B-2600
• 2003 Mazda Tribute DX
• 1992 Mazda MX-3 GS
• 2003 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1992 Mazda MX-6 LX
• 2003 Mazda MAZDA6 S
• 1991 Mazda B-2600
• 2003 Mazda MPV LX-SV
• 1991 Mazda 323 SE
• 2003 Mazda Protege DX
• 1991 Mazda 929 S
• 2003 Mazda MAZDASPEED Protege
• 1991 Mazda MPV
• 2003 Mazda Tribute ES
• 1991 Mazda 626 GT
• 2002 Mazda Protege LX
• 1991 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 2002 Mazda Tribute ES
• 1991 Mazda MX-6 LE
• 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
• 1991 Mazda RX-7
• 2002 Mazda MPV ES
• 1991 Mazda B-2200
• 2002 Mazda Protege ES
• 1991 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 2002 Mazda Tribute LX
• 1991 Mazda 626 LX
• 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
• 1991 Mazda MX-6 GT
• 2002 Mazda MPV LX
• 1991 Mazda 929
• 2002 Mazda Protege DX
• 1991 Mazda Navajo
• 2002 Mazda Protege5
• 1991 Mazda 626 DX
• 2002 Mazda Tribute DX
• 1991 Mazda MX-6 LX
• 2002 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1991 Mazda RX-7 Turbo
• 2001 Mazda B-3000 Cab Plus
• 1990 Mazda 626 DX
• 2001 Mazda Protege MP3
• 1990 Mazda RX-7
• 2001 Mazda Tribute LX
• 1990 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5 SE
• 1990 Mazda MX-6 GT
• 2001 Mazda MPV DX
• 1990 Mazda 626 GT
• 2001 Mazda B-2500
• 1990 Mazda RX-7 GTU
• 2001 Mazda Protege LX
• 1990 Mazda 323 SE
• 2001 Mazda Tribute DX
• 1990 Mazda 929
• 2001 Mazda Protege ES
• 1990 Mazda MPV
• 2001 Mazda B-3000
• 1990 Mazda MX-6 LX
• 2001 Mazda B-4000 Cab Plus
• 1990 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5 LS
• 1990 Mazda RX-7 GXL
• 2001 Mazda MPV LX
• 1990 Mazda 626 LX
• 2001 Mazda Protege DX
• 1990 Mazda 929 S
• 2001 Mazda Tribute ES
• 1990 Mazda MX-6 GT 4WS
• 2001 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1989 Mazda 323
• 2001 Mazda MPV ES
• 1989 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 2000 Mazda 626 LX
• 1989 Mazda 626 DX
• 2000 Mazda B-4000
• 1989 Mazda RX-7
• 2000 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1989 Mazda 323 LX
• 2000 Mazda MPV ES
• 1989 Mazda 929
• 2000 Mazda Protege DX
• 1989 Mazda RX-7 Turbo Coupe
• 2000 Mazda 626 ES
• 1989 Mazda MX-6 LX
• 2000 Mazda B-3000
• 1989 Mazda 626 LX
• 2000 Mazda MPV DX
• 1989 Mazda RX-7 GXL
• 2000 Mazda Protege ES
• 1989 Mazda 323 SE
• 2000 Mazda B-2500
• 1989 Mazda RX-7 2+2
• 2000 Mazda MPV LX
• 1989 Mazda MX-6 GT
• 2000 Mazda Protege LX
• 1989 Mazda RX-7 2+2 GXL
• 1999 Mazda Protege LX
• 1989 Mazda 323 GTX
• 1999 Mazda 626 ES
• 1989 Mazda 626
• 1999 Mazda B-2500
• 1989 Mazda MPV
• 1999 Mazda B-4000
• 1989 Mazda RX-7 GTU
• 1999 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1988 Mazda 323
• 1999 Mazda Protege DX
• 1988 Mazda 626 LX
• 1999 Mazda 626 LX
• 1988 Mazda MX-6 DX
• 1999 Mazda B-3000
• 1988 Mazda 323 GT
• 1999 Mazda Protege ES
• 1988 Mazda 626 4WS Turbo
• 1998 Mazda B-3000
• 1988 Mazda 626
• 1998 Mazda 626 ES
• 1988 Mazda MX-6 LX
• 1998 Mazda 626 DX
• 1988 Mazda 323 SE
• 1998 Mazda B-2500
• 1988 Mazda 626 DX
• 1998 Mazda B-4000
• 1988 Mazda 929
• 1998 Mazda 626 LX
• 1988 Mazda 323 LX
• 1997 Mazda 626 LX
• 1988 Mazda MX-6 GT
• 1997 Mazda MX-6
• 1987 Mazda RX-7 LX
• 1997 Mazda B-4000
• 1987 Mazda 626 Deluxe
• 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5 M-Edition
• 1987 Mazda RX-7
• 1997 Mazda 626 ES
• 1987 Mazda RX-7 S
• 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5 STO
• 1987 Mazda 626 GT
• 1997 Mazda 626 DX
• 1987 Mazda RX-7 Sport
• 1997 Mazda MX-6 LS
• 1987 Mazda 626 Luxury
• 1997 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1987 Mazda RX-7 GXL
• 1996 Mazda 626 LX
• 1987 Mazda RX-7 2+2
• 1996 Mazda Miata MX-5
• 1986 Mazda RX-7 2+2
• 1996 Mazda MX-6 LS
• 1986 Mazda 626 Deluxe
• 1996 Mazda 626 ES
• 1986 Mazda RX-7 GXL
• 1996 Mazda B-3000
• 1986 Mazda 626 GT
• 1996 Mazda B-4000
• 1986 Mazda RX-7
• 1996 Mazda 626 DX
• 1986 Mazda 626 Luxury
• 1996 Mazda MX-6
• 1983 Mazda GLC Sport
• 1996 Mazda B-2300
• 1983 Mazda RX-7
Vince.
This is a comparison topic so comparisons are fair game. However, I notice that thecat didn't cite a source nor did he mention what the alleged recalls were for.
tidester, host
Vince.
My sourse was internet auto guide and the recalls were for a full spectrum of things ... some petty some not.
That's assuming they were recalls. I saw no citation. I agree that in order to make a valid point one has to also list what the alleged recalls were for (i.e. trivial or serious) and provide a complete list (with citations!) of the competitor's recalls.
tidester, host
Listing recalls in that manner really has no purpose. So it's a mute point, eh?
Regards, Vince.
-c92
As far as the recalls I mentioned that because EVERY manufacturer has mistakes, and the more you produce the more problems you will have! But Toyota is not that much better on reliabilty that they will never break, I see alot of problems in the service department but not an indication that they are bad, It is normal.I love Toyotas,I sell them! But it does not mean I would buy one because of the name only,(more than 50% of my customers do), I like to enjoy my car and look forward to driving it,with minimal expense out of pocket. Honestly Toyota does not offer that in their U.S market sedans, you need to go to Lexus to get their top tech. unlike Mazda where they produce a limited number of cars, mostly designed in germany, and they have a distinctive appearence, and a much more fun and easier to control, unlike all japaneese and Korean, something you find again in high line manufacturers. That is just MY OPINION.
Give Motor Trend credit in trying to configure each model so that they're more or less "equal" in features and capabilities. Reading their analysis, I'd have to agree with their assessments. I suppose, if I had an extra 7 grand to invest in a vehicle, I'd have chosen the RDX, as well. Oh well, guess I'll just have to be content with my third place CX7 :shades:
Vince.
Comparison Test: Small All-Wheel-Drive SUVs
Nah. Me, I think they skewed the fight when they got a $37K RDX with the tech package, which isn't even an option on the RAV4. Then they went on to say how the RDX wowed them with its techical nature. "Well... DUH!" But I guess the IL comparo just goes to show that the CUV world is still a pretty close call, and different publications can stack the ratings numbers different ways. Good reading on both counts.
-c92
Interesting how Motor Trend and Edmunds come up with different results. Very much subjective in both cases. Do I believe Motor Trend or do I believe Edmunds? Who's more accurate and who's more objective? Decisions, decisions.
In my case, it doesn't really matter. Already made the decision and have no regrets! :shades:
Vince.