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1.4 TSI - 0-60mph -> 7.9s
2.0 TFSI(GTI) - 0-60mph -> 7.2s
not bad for a 1.4 ey?
About the price... the 1.4TSI is about 2000 punds less than the GTI, so that`ll be around 3500-4000 Canadian dollars and 3000 US (if i`m right with the exchange rates).
ok the TSI is different from the 2.0T from the GTI... in the point that it`s supercharged AND turbocharged... the TFSI on the GTI is only turbocharged. So VW getsin this way 170 bhp from a 1.4 and that`s a lot I say...
Compare:
1.4 TSI - 0-60mph -> 7.9s
2.0 TFSI(GTI) - 0-60mph -> 7.2s
not bad for a 1.4 ey?
About the price... the 1.4TSI is about 2000 pounds less than the GTI, so that`ll be around 3500-4000 Canadian dollars and 3000 US (if i`m right with the exchange rates).
ok what is interesting is that VW made a TDI 2.0L that makes 170hp and lots and lots of torque 258 lbs.ft (the TSI has just 177), the bad part? Well, it`s the same price as the GTI.
One more thing... if VW is ever going to bring the TSI over the Atlantic (although i dont think they will, cause Americans would rather buy a car that say V8 on it`s back than one that says 1.4TSI) is would definitely run on premium gas.
The Golf has been sold in Europe for just 2 years.
However, the European measurement of Octane rating and USA measurement of Octane rating are two very different things. For example, the current BMW 330i with the N54 3.0-liter I-6 engine and 3-stage induction system has pretty much the same compression ratio for the European version and the US version, which means that engine can run using US-standard 91 pump Octane gasoline without engine knocking problems. This means the 1.4-liter TSI could probably be sold in the USA if VW does mandate the use of 91 pump Octane unleaded gasoline.
Yes. Moreover, and I hate to disagree with moparbad, this engine simply prefers high octane gas - it does not require it.
yeah and after 20k it will brake apart wouldn`t it? some engines are just NOT made for the american market and that`s it. For e.g.: the TDIs VW sells in Europe will not even run on american diesel, they will just crack. I had some experience with bad gas, when i was in europe i rented a car, and i put the cheapest gasoline on the pump(that`s what americans do, don`t they?), the car ran like an old beetle and it was really thirsty too. But when i put V-power Shell gasoline (which in europe has 98 or 99 octane with additives) the car ran GREEAAAAT.
It's just a matter of fuel. :-)
The Euro TDI engines run just fine on North American diesel. The emissions equipment after the engine will not function properly on a Euro spec. TDI.
One thing I've read is the upcoming Scirocco based on the upcoming Mk. VI Golf will use the 1.4 TSI engine for the US market, since the Scirocco buyers would be more likely to pay for the premium of the TSI engine. I wonder would VW seriously consider putting the 1.4 TSI in the New Beetle, though.
Another thing, did you hear a Jetta with the TDI and something like 50.000km on it? If you wouldn`t see it, you`d say it`s a truck. That doesn`t happen in Europe, you can drive the Jetta up to 200k with no major problems (and no 'trucklike' noise). Of course, Europeans have different driving style than we do in America, so maybe that`s a thing to think about too.
Also you are right about the emissions eq., still they should try bring some new DIESELS HERE!!! That`ll pass the 07 emission standards, from what i know just Mercedes and Chrysler (with the same engine) said that they will sell a diesel powerplant in 07.
Regards.
I don`t really think so, although they should - nothing is stopping them from doing so. As i said, the Rabbit with a 1.4 TSI would be just 3k under the GTI, and you`d probably buy the GTI anyway. So, the TSI for the Beetle? YEAH, BEETLE GTI :-D, i wish
btw my bad with the BAD post :confuse:
One more thing... does anybody know something about an upcoming VW? VW officials said something about a surprise that is supposed to come with fall, something even smaller than the Rab. The Fox(y) -aka Polo-? Thanks.
The rumor mill going around is that Volkswagen will produce US-market versions of the Polo in Mexico for the US market to start selling fall 2007 as 2008 models. We will not likely get the Brazilian-made Fox, since that car is too small for American-sized passengers.
Sulfur acts as a lubricant in a diesel engine, it is actually good for the engine and the injection pump.
Sulfur acts as a lubricant in diesel, and by lowering the sulfur content there is a corresponding drop in the fuel's lubricity. This decrease in lubricating ability results in a minor decrease of energy content, about 1%. This decrease in energy content may result in reduced fuel economy. To achieve the sulfur requirements for the new fuel standards, diesel manufacturers include an additive to keep the fuel flowing smoothly, and to prevent engine damage. A relatively cheap lubricious additive is biodiesel.
ULSD will run in any engine designed for the ASTM D-975 diesel fuels.
THX!
The Rabbit had a nice feel, much like the Golf TDIs I drove in Germany. Steering was tight, acceleration is good. The car is very quiet on highway at 85mph. I would say the same if not better than my Infiniti G35 Coupe (which has that muffler hum). The options list is awesome. Price good. Safety top notch. Gas Mileage? I was really hung up on this with the Rabbit until I went and compared the overall expense of owning by using Edmunds' graphs.
The Mini Cooper is a capital F in FUN. A spiffy sporty little Mr. Bean of a car. Fun to look at, sit in, and drive. It doesn't have the pick-up of the rabbit being only 116hp but would be a-okay with my needs. I am 235lbs in body weight and my wife is 145 -- we had no problem accelerating up to highway speeds from the merge lane. It is not as quiet as the Rabbit is at 85mph but has a little more of the rally experience to it. The only downer is lack of space. While it does have a roomy interior it just doesn't have the storage room one ideally needs. The trunk is only sufficient for one upright med/large size suitcase. My wife can't get past the size factor with the current behemoth SUVs which polute the roadways. We drove the Cooper, Cooper-S, and Cooper Convertible. The options on these cars is amazing. Customizable until the cows come home. A bit of a price tag, especially if you start with the S or convertible bases.
Mazda3. We own a protege5 so are a bit biased towards the 3. It is in essence a protege5 with more power and an unbelievably ugly center console. It handles fine and is pretty quiet but doesn't have nearly the tight feel of the rabbit. Gas mileage? Yes better but overtime I don't know. VWs are cheap to own and have high resale value. I would buy a Mazda3 to replace our Protege5 but I do not want to own both at the same time.
As mentioned I hit Edmunds and used their real world numbers charts. For example my g35 coupe comes in at costing .79 per mile. Pretty darned high on the scale while the Passat (2.5 motor used in place of Rabbit) comes in at only .55 per mile and the Mini at .60. This was a surprise because the Mini Cooper rated at some 7-10mpg better than the Rabbit. These numbers may be null and void and not apply to me because my auto insurance provider is excellent with rates but I'm trying to do my best and get over the Rabbit's disappointing mpg numbers. I guess in worse case I trade it in for something else come two years time.
thinking of several cars like matrix, mazda3, and rabbit.
but with the release of rabbit, im more inclined to it.
however, how would i know or distinguish if its made in germany or mexico?
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We take it out for a spin anyways, and the car drives like a dream. I'm used to a 2001 Mazda pick-up, so I'm sure anything would feel like an improvement.
I pull it back into the dealership, and ask where the AUX input is, and he opens the glovebox and says that they can install one if I wanted one. The sticker stated that this was a "2007" and I thought the AUX inputs were supposed to be standard on these cars... what gives?
Any ideas?
Ben
Who knows,
Ben
Ben
This still amazes me...
To add substance to this thread my wife and I test drove 2007's two and four door. Neither had the AUX iPod jack.
I'm currently talking to two VW dealers here in SF Bay area (well, north and east bay) It appears that very very few Rabbits are arriving "fully-loaded" which is odd to me considering the sticker price. One can afford to load this little guy up.
On a side note I am very disappointed with dealer response. I sent five dealers specs on the car we want to BUY and only two have gotten back to us. It's been three days. I had thought they would have pounced.
-Andy
PS... if anyone can recommend a VW dealer in the SF Bay area it would be much appreciated. I'm in contact with Sonnen in Marin and Jenson in Napa currently.
We loved the car (first car was a 79 Rabbit GTI), and have placed order even though have to wait for 2-3 months to come off the production line in Germany! Good thing I've got a trusty Jetta to see me though til then...2003 with 20,300 km!
More power, better fuel economy, sport suspension, and more of the Rabbit's 'options' as standard features.
Besides, the 2.0L turbo engine pulls like a draft-horse on speed.
:surprise:
You could check out Dirito Brothers in Walnut Creek - they always have a large stock of the less expensive models. If you are willing to drive a little further, that is.
And by the way, I "built" an '07 Rabbit on the VW.com website, and the aux input for MP3/ipod and whatnot isn't standard, it is listed as a $199 option.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Dasher
He stayed with VWoA until the 80's and the release of the first US GTI, and he also ran the Westmorland factory for a time, before leaving to head up Sterling.
He was with VWoA from the early 60's so I grew up as he brought home newer type 1,2,3,4's and more. It was fun to pick out the yearly changes! I myself had a 1983 GTI and loved that car. I also autocrossed it in SCCA Solo.
I sent out a few request's for dealers in the bay area, and maybe a week later, got a response.
I just started going to bayareavolkswagen.com , they list all the dealers current stock, and it is updated VERY quickly.
I found my 2 door manual at Dirritto bros, in WC, went the next day and bought it.
Good overall experience...although the first salesman I talked to before the 2 doors arrived, never called when they got the 2 doors in...so I bought it from a different salesman.
My experiences with the Bay Area VW dealers was nothing but atrociously disappointing. I "was" in the market for a fully loaded 4 door and could not find one. Actually spoke with a somewhat competent young guy from Sonnen in Marin who searched the future shipments for me. Evidently VW is not putting together fully loaded cars and the mass majority that are coming over the pond are bare bones. Sad considering how much of a deal the commercials make about the options.
I'm going to hold out to see what the 2008 TDIs are like and how these Rabbits are with service. If I even go with VW at all.
TDIs were an awesome option in Germany but one still had to deal with the diesel car tax and see if any money would actually be saved. However, now that diesel gas is no longer the cheapest choice of gas the point of owning a TDI isn't clear to me other than paying my fair share more to clean up the air only infinitesimally.
The diesel I see available here in the bay area is more expensive than premium and will most likely become even more so once the sulfur free stuff hits the market. Keeping this in mind I would venture to say the new TDIs may be marked up so high as to render owning one and saving money pointless -- as is the current situation with hybrids.
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Diesels are the way to go... and yes... the small 1.4TFSI in Europe is also great...
All other factores being about equal, this could sway me one way or the other.
Somebody??
abfisch
1999-Current TDI's can all use a 80,000 or 100,000 mile timing belt interval.
It is correct that the timing belt interval was as low as 60,000 miles on pre-2003 TDI models, however, the belt and tensioner were improved and at the first change the new style belt and tensioner allow either a 80,000 or 100,000 mile interval depending on the year and engine type.
This article is supposed to be about the new Rabbit but instead they show a picture of the previous generation. Just lazyness?
The Bunny Returns
http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/publish/article_2847.php
The ipod connector option is different from the AUX input jack. The AUX input is standard, the ipod connector is an option.
Ben
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And it's not a $5k difference. The Rabbit starts at $15.6k including destination, very well equipped. The base Fit is about $1000 less, but with considerably less equipment.
Honda's overall reliability is better than VWs, but consider the Rabbit is built in Germany, while many other U.S. VWs come from outside Germany. The Fit is a five-year-old design so it should be very reliable. The Rabbit/Golf has been sold in Europe for a couple of years now in its current form, so it does have some track record.
Don't confuse Dodge's advertising re "German engineering" with reality. I wonder how much of the Caliber, for example, is really the result of "German engineering."
3173 lbs
Base MSRP†: $ 16,990
Destination Fee: $ 630
Rear Side Impact Airbags $ 350
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic w/Tiptronic® $ 1,075
Total MSRP: $ 19,045
Fit 2551 lbs
My 2007
Fit Sport Automatic Transmission
Base MSRP*: $15,970
Destination & Handling: $595
MSRP including selected accessories: $16,565
I was wrong...not $5000 difference, but $2500 difference for comparably equiped vehicles. But after doing a "compare vehicles" on cars.com, there are quite a few added features on the Rabbit. It's 600lbs heavier, so that's probably why the mpg is so low. It's just hard for me to swallow driving a vehicle the size of a Rabbit and not getting 30+ mpg consistently, but if that doesn't bother you then the Rabbit isn't too bad.
Or as I noted earlier, go with the 3-door Rabbit and it's only about $1000 difference compared to the base Fit, and actually less than the Fit Sport.
I do want higher fuel economy than what the Rabbit can offer, but I appreciate the package the Rabbit delivers for the money, especially in 3-door form. But I don't consider the Fit the closest thing to the Rabbit 5-door. That would be the Mazda3s.
If you look at both base models, it's $1100 difference and that's without the curtain airbags on the Rabbit.