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Ok so now that there is some realistic looking media out there on the new LR2 I would like to open up some discussion on it.
The latest video is here.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=110159
So what do you think?
There is a real market here as proven by the RX and X3 models.
Acura has the RDX coming out that should arrive a little before the LR2. None of these vehicles have any off road capability at all so if the LR2 comes out with similar on road performance and features but with some real off road functionality I think they will have something.
There is a little bit of a niche that can be explored here.
Put the LR2 in the three trim system just like the LR3 is.
S level trim of the LR2 would be the base level and be priced at round about $27,000 just like the 2005 Freelander was.
Use Duragrain/leatherate in this model maybe make the sunroof optional along with real leather just like the S level trim in the LR3 is. Upgraded interior would put the car at just under $30,000
Possibly use a differently tuned Volvo 5 cylinder turbo motor for this trim.
Next trim level is SE.
Standard Leather and sunroofs optional navigation possibly and BI-Xenon lights. Probably a twin turbo straight six fron Volvo is standard.
Price this trim at around $31,900 starting and just under $36,000 with all options
Next trim level up is HSE.
Do it just like the HSE LR3, standard NAV and bi-xenons. Little bit larger wheels and tires upgraded interior with a little wood trim or maybe include a package with some metal finishes instead of wood.
Add an optional air suspension for the HSE LR2. Don't make it as advanced as the LR3 suspension but a little bit of autoleveling and a small amount of extra ground clearance would be good.
Start the HSE trim LR2 at just under 38,000, a little under where a base LR3 with the six cylinder no sunroofs or leather starts, make the air suspension the only real option probably and cap the max MSRP of a LR2 at just under $40,000.
Comments?
The latest video is here.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=110159
So what do you think?
There is a real market here as proven by the RX and X3 models.
Acura has the RDX coming out that should arrive a little before the LR2. None of these vehicles have any off road capability at all so if the LR2 comes out with similar on road performance and features but with some real off road functionality I think they will have something.
There is a little bit of a niche that can be explored here.
Put the LR2 in the three trim system just like the LR3 is.
S level trim of the LR2 would be the base level and be priced at round about $27,000 just like the 2005 Freelander was.
Use Duragrain/leatherate in this model maybe make the sunroof optional along with real leather just like the S level trim in the LR3 is. Upgraded interior would put the car at just under $30,000
Possibly use a differently tuned Volvo 5 cylinder turbo motor for this trim.
Next trim level is SE.
Standard Leather and sunroofs optional navigation possibly and BI-Xenon lights. Probably a twin turbo straight six fron Volvo is standard.
Price this trim at around $31,900 starting and just under $36,000 with all options
Next trim level up is HSE.
Do it just like the HSE LR3, standard NAV and bi-xenons. Little bit larger wheels and tires upgraded interior with a little wood trim or maybe include a package with some metal finishes instead of wood.
Add an optional air suspension for the HSE LR2. Don't make it as advanced as the LR3 suspension but a little bit of autoleveling and a small amount of extra ground clearance would be good.
Start the HSE trim LR2 at just under 38,000, a little under where a base LR3 with the six cylinder no sunroofs or leather starts, make the air suspension the only real option probably and cap the max MSRP of a LR2 at just under $40,000.
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also sounds very promising =]
One of the things that killed the orginal freelander was that it was priced way out of its market competition.
Without even considering the vehicles other shortfalls that showed up later.
Moving it up a class to compete with the RX, X3 and future RDX is the way to go.
Most Land Rover Retailers have LRL at their Centres that you can just pick up.
Not sure how accurate they are but they are supposed to be from the preview broucure avaliable in Europe currently.
Surprising, when you see how far away the looks of the LR3 are from the Disco...
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Give the site some time to load as it appears to be a little slow.
Just glancing through the features now I see they removed the rock crawl setting from Terrain Response. That is good cause no one should be rock crawling without low range.
Probably the P2 platform that is used by the S60, S80, V70 and XC90.
What we were originaly told about a year ago was that it would be built on a heavily modified version of the next generation, sharing less then 40% of the components, X-type platform from Jaguar. It is being built at the Halewood Jaguar plant in England where the X-type is built so I guess this is still true.
I will post some experts from it as I get the chance.
Bob
1. General Driving
2. Snow/Grass/Gravel
3. Mud and Ruts
4. Sand mode
I would have loved it if they included low range but I understand why they did not. If you look at the premium small SUV segment none of them have low range. It is not necessary to compete in the segment and while it would be a great thing to claim in a contest of one-upmanship it would probably price the LR2 out of the segment. It is also added weight and complexity that Land Rover does not need in order to have the LR2 help out their CAFE raiting.
The vehicles that the LR2 are competing against will be...
1. RDX
2. X3
3. RX350 to a lesser extent
4. future Q5
5. Future small Merc SUV
None of them will have low range but unlike the LR2 none of them will have a bit of off-road capablity. I wouldn't even want to take any of those vehicles ona dry sandy beach.
The LR2 will make its European debut on Tuesday, July 18th at the london international auto show.
Europe will also get a diesel and while initialy not avaliable a 6 speed manual will be offered in Europe sometime in the spring of 2007.
I hope the diesel will eventually made avaliable for North America although I doubt the manual ever will be.
In North America only the 3.2 liter inline 6 that makes 230 hp at 6300 rpm and 234 lb.-ft of torque at 3200 rpm combined with a 6 speed automatic with manual shift and addaptive technology will be offered.
The Volvo I6 is one big lump of an engine. I think it would work better mounted longitudinally (as it originally was in the 760 / 960), but I don't think any of the current Volvo platforms support that.
Bummer indeed.
I would have loved it if they included low range but I understand why they did not. If you look at the premium small SUV segment none of them have low range. It is not necessary to compete in the segment and while it would be a great thing to claim in a contest of one-upmanship it would probably price the LR2 out of the segment. It is also added weight and complexity that Land Rover does not need in order to have the LR2 help out their CAFE raiting.
I don't buy it, not one bit. This is a "Land Rover," not another SUV wannabe. It should have a low range! If anything, the low range would set it apart from its competition, as well as reconfirm its off-road heritage. Offer it as an option if need be—but offer it!
If Jeep can offer a low range option for the Patriot, so should Land Rover offer this feature in the LR2. Granted, it's doubtful those two will ever be cross-shopped, but that's not the point. The point is every "trail-rated" Jeep offers a low range. So should should Land Rover.
Bob
Last I heard the patriod and compass were not getting low range so had that changed?
http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18
I would still want a low range, if for no other reason other than off-road insurance. Same with a full-size spare tire. I'm hoping the LR2 at least has that? Also, what the tow rating (braked and unbraked)?
Bob
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When I started this thread I looked around to see if there was anything on the LR2 and when I didn't I just started it.
In retrospect I should have named the thread Land Rover LR2 instead of 2008 Land Rover LR2.
1. Was Car and Driver on the money with pricing? I.e. starting at 29,000 and 34,000 loaded?
2. How does the LR2 compare in size to my 01 Montero sport, wheel base is nearly the same, but did not see any other numbers for the LR2
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They originaly said they the base price of the LR2 would be around about where the old Freelander topped out. This makes me think a 29,999 base price, keep in mind no one will order those cars, and then probably mid to upper 30,000s for the top end.
Land Rover has already increassed the base price of the LR3 signifcantly for 2007 so I bet they are leaving room for a very pricey 38,000-40,000 dollar LR2. The LR3 used to start under 40,000 but Land Rover has now required that all V6 LR3s come with the 3000 dollar premium package. That combined with the normaly year to year price increases means that I think a 2007 LR3 will start around 43,000. They have not announed 2007 pricing yet either so I do not know for sure.
The only other bits of data I have on the LR2 as far as size is concerned are for interior volume.
Luggage volume with the rear seats folded stands at 59 cubic feet. With the rear seats up volume stands at 26.5 cubic feet. These numbers are aproximate and could change some. That is a little less then 10 cubic feet more space then the old freelander.
I guess I will have to wait and see when they arrive. From the pictures it is a very handsome SUV, and I like the thought of comfort and ability.
I would love an LR3, but just don't feel right spending 50k on any car.
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http://www.landroverusa.com/us/en/Company/News/Corporate_news/Maria_Sharapova.ht- m
I wouldn't be surprised if Land Rover brings some pre-production models to the larger North American Auto shows. I am pretty sure they have already set up a large event for Land Rover retailers in October/November sometime.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
http://www.britishmotorshow.co.uk/
I am not sure when the LR2 is being shown but it will be sometime this week.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=116159#2
The LR2 is going to be priced around 15% below the LR3 which means it should start around $33,000 to $34,000
Sometime in October we are supposed to get some hands on training with some pre-production models.
Right at the end they said, "expect it showrooms next Spring starting at about $27,000". I was floored. All I have been hearing for more than a month is "$36K+". (Must have been a verbal typo.)
Thought you'd like to hear.
Can't stay to chat.
Got to run.
He didn't have any information on pricing yet but I kind of expected that.
What he did tell me is that the LR2 is expected to be in the US around March of 2007. The factory is building pre-production models right now that will be involved in the final testing stages.
In October some of these pre-production models will be coming to the US for additional testing and training. Salesguides and techs will go to some training days to learn more about the vehicles.
Our service rep is in line to get a LR2 for real world mileage testing because of the 4,000-5,000 miles he drives a month. He can cram a year of real world driving into only four months. Next month or the month after I should be able to get some real seat time in the LR2 and if my service rep gets a car I should be able to get some pictures and maybe some video.
Rocky
The I-6 in the LR2 is basicly straight out of the S80 which is a smooth driving great car. That motor has great mid-range torque and pulls smoothly.
It is all set up for turbos at sometime in the future if Land Rover chooses to do that although that is unlikley.
Look at the competitors...
X3 Horsepower 225-hp @ 5,900 rpm
Torque 214 lbs.-ft. @ 3,500 rpm
CX-7 Horsepower 244-hp @ 5,000 rpm
Torque 258 lbs.-ft. @ 2,500 rpm
RDX Horsepower 240-hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque 260 lbs.-ft. @ 4,500 rpm
LR2 Horsepower 234-hp not sure at what RPM yet
Torque 234 lbs.-ft not sure at what RPM yet
Trounces the X3 for thousands less..
Not quiet as much as the RDX and CX-7 but the power should be more linear without the turbos and the gas mileage should be better as well.
The CX-7 will be a lot cheaper but it won't have nearly as much standard equipment and probably won't be as nice in side.
But, I agree.. It is a nice package and competitively priced...
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Hmhh that makes things more interesting. The X3 is still way overpriced and ugly though.
The X3 is a lot more competitively priced if you take leasing into account... If Land Rover has aggressive lease deals similar to what they had on the Freelander, they'll be fine... but, if they don't.. I don't know..
The "small" SUV market is a tough one to handicap..
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I am so tired of trying to explain to someone why a 65,000 dollar Range Rover Sport leases at over 1,200 dollars a month and a 7 series that costs 10,000 dollars more leases for around a grand a month.