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That having been said, if there was a contest and a place to drive a constant 50 mph with no hills or declines, I think the higher ranges are within the capability of those engines in those light vehicles.
It's a shame that the Scion, Fit, Yaris are still geared for rapid freeway pickup in 5th, instead of making 5th a true overdrive as on the latest Focus and Cobalt - but I guess they are afraid of complaints from drivers who might have to downshift to 4th for passing or hills, or complaints from slowdowns while in cruise control mode.
However, I'm hearing noises now from the front end. I think I need new brake pads, but only have 38,000 miles on it. How long have brake pads been lasting for everybody else? I thought they would go a lot longer.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
We bought a '09 3 door white manual Yaris. I was not happy with Toyota for putting on the 15 inch rims/tires. Bigger tires cost more and more to turn! More rubber contact to the road means more friction.The 14 inch with smaller tires will give you a better mileage. It has taken a lot of care and time to relearn matching this cars clutch and gear match ups since the engine revs are a lot quicker than other standards in the fleet. We keep our speed no more than 60 mph and use the highest gear possible to cruise in. In other words, drive it like a diesel. RPMs under 2000. That got us to 40 mpg.
At 5000 miles, we caught a nail in the side wall of the rear tire. Rather than replace it with another 15 inch. We located two 14 inch rims and carefully selected another 14 inch tire with the same height as the 15 inch ones. 175/70 R 14. That one has the same width as the recommended 175/65 R 14 and the height of the 185/60 R 15, but more narrow. Best of both worlds. That bumped up another 2 mpg's. I am waiting for the next few tanks to come in to decide if that reading is in error or correct. So at this point it is looking like 42 mpg's. City. Oh, I do a bit of coasting in Neutral as well and use the cruise control.
It has taken me a few years to get this far. Yes, I am a hypermiler, and yes I do drive the speed limit.
A few years back I posted about how to get great mileage in a Yaris, and some posters attacked me, so I stopped posting here. Instead I want to cleanmpg where they don't attack others.
I am looking to buy a 5 door hatchback (automatic, DSG or CVT) to replace the 2 absolute best cars I have ever owned 1988 Honda CRX HF and 1989 Honda Civic Wagon - because of age. My age that is - not the cars'. I am finding it harder to drive a manual transmission, and without A/C. I know that the modern cars have no chance of matching 60 MPG that I get in the CRX or 45 MPG in the wagon, but I am realistic, and understand that I will have to settle for less.
Yaris is one of my top choices along with Audi A3 and Honda Fit. Any real world input about the Yaris would be appreciated.
The Yaris will probably best the Fit in fuel economy, but the Fit has a big edge in interior room and cargo versatility. More fun to drive than the Yaris also. The Yaris starts at a lower price and has standard ESC, which the Fit has only in its top trim (although that probably doesn't bother you if you can spend over $30k for an A3). The Yaris is a good basic little car with excellent fuel economy and very good passive and active safety. But since you are looking at cars like the Fit and (especially) A3, it appears you are looking for more than that.
The Yaris (and Fit) are likely to be much more reliable than the A3 also, if that matters to you.
But back to the crux of my question - is the 5 door Yaris going to get similar MPG to the 3 door? I would think it would, but was hoping for some first hand validation.
BTW, I see no reason to exclude the A3 just because it costs more - I think Audi deserves credit for the courage to bring it to this market. I would love to see more choices in this segment - and I exclude the quasi-hatchbacks like the Prius and new Insight.
I think it's kind of funny that you won't look at a Golf, but you are looking at its next of kin, the A3.
Other than a bit of a weight penalty on the 5-door, I don't see why you wouldn't get similar MPG on that version of the Yaris compared to the 3-door. Same powertrains.
I chose the Yaris over the Honda Fit because the Honda Fit test-drove terribly in my city. Every bump and rumble in the road was felt and seemed to echo; the Yaris handled turns better and also has fared well with potholes and the like. I considered a 2007 Scion XA at the same time, which drove even more nicely but did not feel as safe to me regarding window visibility, and had slightly less baggage space. The one benefit of the Fit was that the seats loaded into the floor, I think-- so there was certainly more storage.
Any more specific questions?
I get only 28 mixed (live in Chico, CA and there is hardly any traffic) and max 31on a day long trip of 300 miles(that's maximum it goes on a full tank on long distance trips).
I hear people getting up to 42 mpg on the same car and Toyota never cared saying its standard variation in mpg on the same model.
Anyone share the same disappointing experience with Yaris?
I have never broke 30 mpg. I have also noticed that the sticker mileage has went down on the 2010.
I'm going to be trading it for a Honda Fit next weekend, I hope it does as well.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=browseList
The Fit has some great internal configurations for space, but the "real world" fuel mileage seems disappointing to many of it's owners, according to the Fit forums.
Kip
Normal driving, plus some "spirited" excursions down some twisty roads to check the handling, and some trips to the engine's redline a couple times to check acceleration. Results: 377.7 miles on the first tank, 9.3336 gallons to fill it. 40.46 MPG on paper, 40.7 average reported by the car's average MPG gauge.
That said, I've owned LOTS of cars, and the Yaris was amongst the best. I can tell I'll love the Fit, but there's still some things I'd like to see in it from the Toyota. They're both awesome cars, and it's about time we started getting decent small cars in the USA.
I live in Southern Ohio where we get some pretty heavy snow storms.
My Scion Xb plows right thru the snow and handles great on the highway.
How does the Yaris handle. What kind of gas mileage do you get in the winter.
I noticed I get around 30 mpg in the winter but around 39 when it warms up.
Mike
Almost always a 9.5 gallon fill up.
08 Flint Mica 4 door, 5 speed w/power package with door dings.& scraped wheel covers.
Go back a few pages and you'll see some numbers - many of them seem outrageously high.
We just did a drive to Austin and back at 75 mph (posted limits are 70) with the occasional 80+ mph pass and averaged about 38mpg for the highway portions.
In city driving with heavy traffic, ours holds steady at 30 mpg.
We have an '08 automatic Yaris Sedan, with the factory body-kit and AC running the whole time.
Mike
Normal city driving I'm getting around 46mpg(US). On motorway, about 70+mph, I'm getting closer to 41mpg(US). On open roads, upto 60mph it can get to 54mpg(US) if I'm careful and don't nail it when going uphill.
I want this figures to rise!
Has anyone used any basic, so called, 'hypermiling techniques', and what mpg were they achieving?
Tank #1 36.46MPG 06-21-2011(half and half) (spent 2 hours practicing getting into 1st gear as I have never driven manual before)
Tank #2 41.17MPG 06-29-2011 (mostly highway) (AC on most of the time)
40.76MPG 07-13-2011 (mix)
40.07MPG 07-26-2011
42.04MPG 08-1-2011 (drove with traffic over 80mph often)
39.08MPG 08-12-2011 (drove with traffic again, it didn't work out as well)
41.69MPG 08-24-2011 (drove 55, shifted at 2000rpm)
42.73MPG 09-06-2011 (drove 55, shifted at 2000rpm)
43.04MPG 09-21-2011 (drove 55, shifted at 2000rpm)
43.14MGP 10-8-2011 (drove 55, shifted at 2000rpm)
I drive both in the city and on the interstate, but more often on the Interstate. I make sure I have plenty of room from the car in front of me when traffic is backed up so I rarely have to hit my brakes and it has worked well for me. I see a sea of break lights ahead of me while I'm just rolling along. I occasionally downshift to slow myself down. There is no escape when there is an extended stop though.
'12 catalog for both the 3 and 5dr models, all trim levels. No where does that
appear. Do you have in fact, a Canadian model Yaris? That's the only one I know of that comes with said packages. Winter package would imply heated outside mirrors as well. I know that the US models do not include such a feature.
Please explain that. What does your convenience and cold weather package include? Thanks.
"All-Weather Guard Package:" Looks like I got the name wrong.
Larger Window Washer Tank with Low-Level Warning Indicator Lamp, Heavy-Duty Heather, Heavy-Duty Starter, and Rear Heater Duct
Then there is the "Convenience Package" which includes:
AM/FM CD Player with MP3/WMA Playback Capability, XM Compatible (additional hardware & subscription required), Auxiliary Audio Jack, CD Text Display Function, 60:40 Split, Sliding, Reclining, Fold-Flat Rear Seat Functions, P185/60R15 on 15" Steel Wheels with Full Wheel Covers, and Rear Window Wiper.
the '12 model year, I did not even see that package offered on any version here
in western NY state. More decontenting going on with Toyota? Just FYI, for the
Canadian version, 5 door LE model, it includes the following..but the list is far
from complete. I copied and pasted it here. It never ceases to amaze me how Toyota will market its cars differently in North America. I live 2 hours from the Canadian border. Yet, I can not own their version and plate it here.
Obviously, the cars are very similar. But they offer more value for their versions there. In fact, their SE model even offers an automatic rain sensing wiper system. It isn't found even as an option or "enhanced convenience package" for the US market. Only option is 'cruise control.' I say "duh" to that. Thanks for clarifying your '11 Yaris specs...no doubt, it is a "U.S." model.
* From $14,890*
* Star Safety SystemTM
* 9 Airbags, Including Front Seat Cushion Airbags
* Electric Rack and Pinion Power Steering
* Power Door Locks
* Multi-Information Display
* 5-Door Convenience
* Power-Adjustable, Colour-keyed Heated Exterior Mirrors
* And More
The Convenience Package adds:
* Air Conditioning
* Power Windows
* Cruise Control
* Keyless Entry
Anyway, I have now acquired a 2010 Prius with mileage of 45K for what I think was a very fair price ($15,400 plus tax and $399 dealer fee), and I am hoping that the increase in gas mileage and the stellar reliability reputation of the Prius will make me a happy customer when combined with the various small creature comforts that the Prius offers over the Yaris (SmartKey entry system, steering wheel controls, a conventional cupholder, a real center armrest, a hatchback for easily hauling various flea market items, and a more firmly planted, quieter ride, IMHO). My Yaris is a wonderful utilitarian vehicle, and I damn near bought another one, but the very good price I paid for this Prius convinced me to take the hybrid leap.
However I never would have purchased a new Prius; the cost of a new Prius seems so high that it seemingly would take a decade of driving to realize any petrol saving, unless you do a LOT of driving. Furthermore, the argument for the Prius over the Yaris has more to do with the overall comfort of the driving/ride experience rather than the comparative operating costs, because the Yaris is relatively inexpensive, extremely fuel efficent, and so darn reliable.
Despite that, I am going to shoot for better - it seems getting 40+ mpg won't be effortless like it was in my Echo. But if I go back to focusing on the little things that can boost mileage, like coasting to stoplights and keeping the overall speeds down a bit, I'm hopeful I can get near 40 in the new car.
On a related note, it seems the "average MPG" readout on the dash computer is about 1 point optimistic, slightly more accurate than the one in my Subaru which is 1.5 mpg optimistic.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
With any luck, this will be a 40 MPG car like my last one in all seasons but winter.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
What other differences?
Thanks,
Kip
The Prius however, and as you probably well know, seems to do similar mileage numbers no matter highway or city; it is not the speed that affects the Prius as much as it is the hills that affect the mileage in my Prius. Atlanta is not a flat city, and I sometimes dread climbing a big hill and watching my MPG instant feedback "needle" dive down to zero. Also, those first five minutes in the Prius are not good for much better than 25 mpg, so short trips really impact mileage and its hard for me to believe that the Yaris was subject to such a penalty for its warm-up time.
Nevertheless, after 867 miles and 18.06 gallons I am averaging 48.0 mpg (the computer tells me 50.0, but we all know it fudges that number) so I am fairly pleased.
As for other factors? The ride in the Yaris was not harsh, and was relatively quiet for an econobox, but the Prius has a larger wheelbase and it really improves the ride. I feel planted to the road more than I did in the Yaris. It's also a tad quieter than the Yaris. I love the cockpit of the Prius; the waterfall dash puts everything at hands' reach. I especially love the Smart Key feature in which the door unlocks the minute I touch the driver's door handle. And the hatchback is more practical--if I want to get something home from the flea market, the Prius will make it possible, whereas certain things just won't go in the Yaris.
Hope that answers your question on basic differences.