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Well, on a deserted wide road I hold the camera with one hand and drive with the other. The Camry is an automatic so it shifts by itself. I don't look thru the viewfinder while driving so I only hope I hold it steady enough to get a good picture.
Actually, it's more like the transmission goes into neutral for about a half second or more before it goes into the next gear. If you watch the speedo when the spike happens and turn up the sound you can hear the engine take off, but the speedo does not move (up or down).
I was asked about "did you floor it" in another forum and I can assure you that I did not move the accelerator at all except when it spiked I lifted my foot just by reflex.
When the RPM's spike the car is in 3rd gear and shifting to 4th gear. I did a little test and floored it in 3rd gear at 3200 RPM. The transmission stayed in 3rd gear instead of shifting and the RPM's went up slightly and the speedo jumped up pretty quickly (after all the V6 engine in this Camry is quite powerful), so flooring it at that engine RPM in that gear provokes a markedly difference response than what you see on my video.
Thank you very much for your support. The worst part about it is that I'm not the only one with this problem. There are at least 5 other 2007 V6 Camry owners that I have communicated with here and on other forums that have this exact problem.
And I'm sure that there are plenty of other Owners out there with this problem that don't post here or in other forums about it.
Has anyone verified the legitimacy of "tmsusa"? Does Edmunds.com vouch for the authenticity of this person's identity? I can't help but wonder if it's analogous to the 50 year-old blogger in underpants posing as a 21 year-old blond-haired, blue-eyed California surfer girl.
A month ago it only did this stuff when not fully warmed up. Now it does not matter, warm or cold. the RPM still spikes.
Is it hard for you to believe a manufacturer rep would post on Edmunds?
I'm insulted--My parents were married when I was born.
Actually, that first image is not very flattering. And, you only got one part right . . .
50--noblogger--not yetbriefs/boxers--you must be kidding21--I wishblond--noblue eyed--noCalifornia--YESsurfer--tried really hardgirl--no way
I'm not a Honda either ray h1!
Gosh, I'm frankly a little surprised at some of your comments. It's been my understanding that our Customer Experience Center Executive Team has been working with you to resolve this issue once and for all. If we've been unsuccessful, we will continue to seek a resolution to your individual problem until you are satisfied. I regret you feel that you are being treated differently from any of our other customers and that you believe you are being denied something that is offered to others. We are approaching your issue with the same level of care, cause analysis and intent to remedy your shifting anomaly as we are doing with other customers having similar problems.
But I will check in the morning to see the status of your particular case and work to ensure that we do demonstrate how much we value you as a customer. You are making efforts to document visually your car's performance, and that is helpful and appreciated.
Rude and disrespectful treatment is inexcusable and contrary to our Toyota Way guiding principles. I am sorry if that is what you experienced--and I hope that you will give us an opportunity to do better.
My home number is 800-331-4331.
I confess, it's not. That is the direct line to our Customer Experience Center, but it is the best way to get through and speak to one of our highly trained specialists or case managers. These folks can do everything I can do, and are absolutely committed to solving problems and retaining happy customers.
The Edmunds forums are a great way to communicate, too, with the advantage of being among a group of people with similar passions. There are other online forums that have a private message system behind the main message function.
TFS was very courteous and helpful, well beyond what I am used to in other service sectors.
For example, in New York City last year I received very unpleasant "service with a sneer" from Avis, both on the phone and in person. (However, back home, the Avis rep at our local airport was very professional, and I told her so.)
This is the 3rd day my car is in the shop for the RPM spiking issue (the valve body was unsuccessfully worked on prior to this).
My service manager does not know what to do with the car; the regional guy in charge of my case does not know what to do either...and he is the guy that told me to take the car to the dealership. He does not have any answers for me as of this morning, he told me he was going to call my dealership for answers. Seems like a communication breakdown with no guidance or direction in sight.
I took video footage of my cars problems too my regional case manager was not interested in seeing it.
I WANT TO PUT THIS ISSUE TO BED I can not put off any more preparations, involved with my overseas military assignment (or I will jeopardizing my career for failing to comply with Uncle Sams orders).
Today is Friday, looks like it will sit in the dealers hands all weekend (BTW I did not get a loaner vehicle either).
It does not feel to good to be stuck with a product that does not work as advertised!!
Frustration has been mounting for 103 days and counting.
RE: Has anyone with a spiking problem tried disconnecting the VCS?
Although I agree that the RPM spiking problem" could be related to the Vehicle Stabibility Control (VCS) "system I think it would be bad advice for us to try that on our own. It could void your warranty for one thing and no one knows what behavior this could cause. Even if I knew HOW to disconnect it I wouldn't recommend anyone but the dealer doing that.
Do you, by chance, work for Toyota? This sounds like the type of "hit or miss" process they have taken so far instead of doing some much needed real analysis. Toyota need to buy back one or two of these cars and get to "root cause" of the problem before tearing people's cars apart.
I had a 2000 BMW 328Ci with the stability control,the first thing I did everytime I started the car was to turn it off,it would cause very much the same hesitation you are describing when accelerating,especially when turning onto a busy street.
The reviewer was astounded that you could not simply turn it off, that was one reason I chose not to go with VSC. I would not recommend trying to disable it yourself,but the manual says the dealer can shut it down if you choose to do so.
Platinum warrantee came in last week and re-imbursement for 1 car payment came in today. I hope those who have issues get them resolved with the same attention to satisfaction with the least amount of inconvenience that mine was.
I'm glad I gave Toyota a chance. Danika at TMS in California was always pleasant, almost apologetic, and still calls periodically to check on how things are. She has always called back when she said she would. TMS needs to give her a nice bonus or raise...
Here is my Camry back home in the garage after repairs:
but you might not be so willing to agree it quickly takes care of a quality control issue by issuing a recall. there is ample evidence the company tends to issue TSBs which many customers knew nothing about rather than issue a recall.
i'm not trying to single out toyota here, just that there are a number of people with very similar complaints on a range of vehicles were they are not being treated "differently" in this respect.
You just described my 2005 Avalon perfectly from the DBW/ hesitation right down to the stench. Nothing quite like being asphyxiated by the the intoxicating aroma of fresh sulphur... very "different". Toyota didn't fix any of these problems and even pushed back on installing a replacement catalytic convertor called for in the TSB.
The complete lack of resolution to any of the problems is why I don't own it any more.
Toyota appears to be paying far more attention to the Camry concerns than they did to those of the Avalon. To wit - TMSUSA is notably absent from the Avalon forum. Perhaps because more Camrys are sold, Toyota consider the Camry issues more worthy of attention, and the comparatively few Avalon sales as acceptable attrition.
It will be interesting to see whether Toyota properly resolve these issues, as the problems do appear to be proliferating across their many models, or whether Toyota continue to put a "spin" on things. Bill O'Reilly, where are you?
My decision to buy another Toyota or Lexus again in the future will largely depend upon the results I see described in these forums.
Toyota - consumers ARE watching.
seriously though, we all can agree the people that report their problems here in this and othr forums (regardless of make and model) are in the minority. people naturally don't tend to make a report in a "woes" or "problems and solutions" type forum their ownership experience which meets or exceeds their expectations.
but - there is evidence in forums spanning many makes and models on edmunds that manufacturers, again i am not singling out toyota here, that they are increasing complexity in order to increase safety, performance, meet mandated guidlines, offer something which differentiates their product, etc.
there is no free lunch to this trend; there are negative consequences of this and attentive readers of these forums see this clearly... for example service must in many cases now "diagnose" with increasingly complex computer systems with incomplete mental models of the design and operation of these complex products. often they must replace entire sub-systems when a individual component fails as serviceability becomes more and more problematic. that is an expensive enterprise for everyone...the owner, the dealership, the manufacturer. expense is not limited to time, but profit margin, effort, missed work, frustration, resources, training, supply, coordinating re-imbursement, inconvenience to everyone...
often the symptoms we as owners experience don't conveniently replicate themselves for the service technicians to effectively work the problem. systems aren't smart enough to "catch" the phenomenon and report it in sufficient detail in all cases, leaving the service techs with "can't replicate, can't diagnose" situation.
and some of these failures are getting more and more bizzare. if you read many of the forums, this will be quite evident.
sometimes in other cases, technicians can see and experience symptoms for themselves and have a good handle on root cause, but await directives, re-designed parts, or software upgrades from the manufacturer to proceed to do anything.
and - just about everyone seems to be outsourcing the manufacture of components and sub-systems - becomming integrators of materials and sub-systems manufactured more and more efficiently (cheaply) without the quality control being under the strict review and management of the OEM.
such is the nature of reliance on high-volume outsourcing.
and there is evidence some of these new technologies are being rushed to market in order to gain market share or leverage market position. many owners feel like "beta-testers" for immature designs. they are.
i hope toyota ultimately realizes that it's image is being changed by how it handles the people that do experience problems with their product.
people purchase new toyotas, often loyal owners with a history of buying their products, based on their reputation for quality, price and value.
when they have a problem with their CAT convertors, their drive-by-wire throttle systems, their steering shafts, and when these parts, sub-systems and designs span multiple models in the manufacturer's lineup, the dealership failing to quickly resolve their issues, and the manufacturer providing no guidance or relief turn these owners into motivated non-loyal owners. they report their problems, they tell their children, friends and co-workers; the problems get reported in the press... toyota's image is tarnished as word gets around.
and we know word travels faster today than it did yesterday.
it's refreshing to see a poster like tmsusa here on this forum. i personally think this is a good thing, but ultimately i believe this is more of a "sensing" development than a "resolution-" or "improved communications-" based development.
no-doubt it's valuable big picture for the manufacturer and owners, but specifically for the people with a problem which isn't being aggressively addressed and quicky resolved, it may very well be seen as counter-productive.
an aspect of the woe to contemplate.
Exactly, Alan. Our HOST has not yet responed to my message #373 on this forum, asking if Edmunds.com will vouch for the authenticity of TMSUSA as a bona fide representative of the company. Somebody's having a good time posing as Toyota, in my estimation.
Yes, we will vouch for the authenticity of tmsusa as a bonafide representative of the company.
Note that the best way to ask a host a question and get a direct response is via email.
I have no problems at all with my '07 Camry but have followed these forums for awhile.
If I was the US service person about to be deployed with no answers and little help, I would be calling Shawn Hannity or Bill O'reilly on Fox News and be raising holy hell!!!!!
Maybe being on national TV will light a fire under the Toyota "Executives".
I know Toyota is a large organization but a lot of people should be working nights and weekends to solve these transmission problems.
Nothing has been accomplished that the owners know about for weeks.
Caring and platitudes isn't getting the job DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bought a 07 XLE V6 last week and have done about 200miles on it so far. I have not noticed any spiking, but I have noticed that when I brake slowly from say 40-50mph, the transmission seems to slip for a second (at around the 30mph mark) and the car seems to glide for just a second or so before the brakes kick in.
I have noticed this about 2-3times, but it has happened only during down-shifting. Has anyone else noticed this issue? Is this an issue at all? Am I over-reacting?
Thanks,
Jerry
Read this for more.
Those car buff mag reviewers want to be able to drive like lunatics!
Hey...400th post!
I know satisfied customers aren't posting but also quite a few non-satisfied ones who don't know about these forums aren't posting either.
I am a satisfied customer but can picture myself as one of the non-satisfied.
Then in this same Rabbit, the timing belt wasn't fully enclosed, so blowing snow in a blizzard got inside overnight and the belt slipped a few notches when I tried to start it. Of course it wouldn't start, and another tow was needed!
I have 2 Camrys and a Nissan Frontier, and they have all served me quite well with almost zero problems. The Frontier is 8 years old, BTW.
The good old days? You can have them!
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Maybe I'm stupid but the link you provided illustrates exactly why VSC is needed. Am I missing something here??
Whenever the streets are slippery and especially when icy the VSC is great to have; my point was, if the spikes go away when the system is disabled then return when the system is powered up, then they may be part of the normal operational function of the VSC. If that is the case,then it's really nothing to worry about, it's just the active safety system doing what it was designed to do.
My vehicle is still exhibiting the same hesitation symptoms it has since it was purchased. The computer was reset once and I now have 2000 miles on the odo (over 1000 since last reset.)
I now know that some 4-cyl Camry's exhibit this problem, and some don't. I know a fair number of owners, if they notice the problem at all, can be conviced that it is normal operation - IT IS NOT...
My dealer's Service Manager has recommended that I call the 800-331-4331 number and try to accelerate a solution to my problem. I will do this with more than a little trepidation, knowing what some have reported on this process.
I will continue to report to this forum what my experience with Toyota Customer Experience Center is like.
barronc,
Don't know about the hesitation issue but be on the lookout for this.
Have you driven it over 500 miles yet? That's when I (and 4 or 5 others from this forum) have experienced what we are calling the "3rd to 4th RPM spiking problem." It is most noticeable when the engine is cold. Symptom: When engine shifts from 3rd to 4th (especially when starting from a dead stop) the RPMs increase suddenly 500 to 3,000 RPMs before decreasing and settling into 4th gear.
Please be on the lookout for this as Toyota has not yet recognized it as a problem but we know that it is. Check out this video to see what happens between 3rd and 4th:
http://media.putfile.com/2007-Camry-RPM-Spike-Issue
(large file so be patient)
Please let the forum know if you experience this.
As soon I turned the engine, it seemed the noise level was slightly higher than my 2003 V6, I could feel the vibration on the shift and steering. I thought the 3.5L V6, dual VVT-I were supposed to more refine than previous V6 engine. The brake was marginal improvement, still had mushy feeling, and pedal travel was too far.
The new engine was very quick and responsive from stop to full acceleration. But when I tried to slow down then stepped on gas pedal, the transmission showed HESITATION.
The ride of SE suspension was very stiff and noisy. I tried to make a sharp turn, body roll was noticed (even on SE ??).
So it was confirmed HESITATION does exist on V6 6AT.