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Am surprised no other replies and that no one else is having or ever had this problem??? Getting discouraged. We're up to $1,750.00 on our dime so far!
Anybody?
Lindi
Thanks,
Chris
By the way, this forum is for 2007 Camry!
A must read about the so-called sludge problem is in "Toyota Camry: Problems & Solutions - READ ONLY" message #4829 by Hylyner.
Please go there - and now, back to the 2007 Camry.
And apparently the problem also applied to the RX300 otherwise I wouldn't have recieved notice.
Just where did you find/hear that Pennzoil story, that's a new one I hadn't heard before.
I also read that Toyota quietly changed the capacity of the PCV to try to mitigate the sludge propensity of the engine design. That was at the same time dealers were telling customers it was customer's fault that sludging had occurred.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
If not, an independent shop would be MUCH cheaper.
Just looked up the compressor part online on Napa, new is $634, remanufactured is $314. Will need to flush, possibly accumulator and filter, and recharge...but $3500....please. That's over triple what I'd want to get it done for.
NAPA Toyota Compressor
The part is probably a "universal" fit for many model years.......therefore should be in good supply AND under HALF the price of a factory replacement.
Good luck,
Mike
I've said this all along, all of these hi-tech oriented vehicles are fine, until you start paying "out of warranty" repair costs. Old technology may not be superior, but it sure is cheaper.
I took a ride down to Atlantic City just to hit the buffet! ----- YES, I love to "graze at the trough!" ----- My Camry now has 53,670 trouble free miles. ---- At 55mph I was able to get it up to 36mpg. ---- This vehicle has everything; comfort, luxury and ride! ---- I am sold on Toyota!
Best regards! -------- Dwayne :shades:
Kindly be advised that the Lexus requires premium gasoline in its V6 for maximum performance, while the Camry V6 recommends regular gasoline.
Gas mileage is rated by the EPA at 19 / 27 mpg -- city / highway for the Lexus, (which only comes with a V6), while the Camry XLE V6 is rated at 19 / 28 mpg. (On my 2007 V6 XLE I have reached 36mpg on the highway.)
Despite costing almost $35,000.00 the ES350 Lexus comes with a cloth interior as standard. A leather interior is a part of a $1,280 premium pkg. on the ES350, but the Camry XLE with a V6 has standard leather seats.
A fully leaded XLE tops out at about $32, 495.00, while you can load an ES350 to reach $44,000.00.
Even though Lexus is a very nice vehicle, my "EGO" is not big enough to own a Lexus. The cost of premium fuel is enough to keep my driving an XLE Camry.
Before purchasing my new XLE Camry, I stopped at a Lexus dealer and I looked at a one year old ES350. YES, it was a vey nice vehicle, but when I looked at cost of maintenance at the dealer, I decided to purchase it's cheaper cousin.
Best regards. --------- Dwayne :shades:
And I would bet that the Camry V6 running on regular will get roughly equal, too close to meaure the difference reliably, FE to the ES running on regular. I suspect that the ES running on premium will only show improved FE, comparitively, if the driver is often in "boy-racer" mode vs not.
You are driving a econobox, get over it, it may have everything as far as YOU want but compared to the cars I named before you don't have the comfort, definitely doesn't have luxury or ride of even the cheapest of the REAL Luxury cars. I have nothing against Toyota but I do when someone describes one as a luxury car. :P
Masterpaul1, there are better places to seek the answers to your questions than this particular discussion.
Thanks to both of you for letting this discussion stay on track.
What's shakin??
Do you still have your Camry?
I, too, live in Canada (St. Catharines, ON) and have been VERY disappointed by the oil consumption (amongst other things) on my 4cyl/auto Camry.
I'm using three or four times as much oil as my '97 Camry ever used and I'm not even going to talk to the dealer. (They were such a**holes about doing the transmission TSB, I don't even want to deal with them anymore.....and the car's way past warranty age/mileage)
Toyota is losing billions of dollars now (see headlines in every major newspaper in the world) and if they gave their heads two shakes, (or, heaven forbid, asked a couple of customers for their opinions) they soon find out that it's more than economic problems that are causing their grief: it's piss-poor customer relations caused by bad product with bad service.
They've screwed us once.......shame on them......now never again.......good for us!!
I am interested in the oil consumption issue on your 07 / 4 cylinder Camry. As you know from my previous posting, I own a 2007 V6 XLE Camry. It now has 54,000 + miles and I have this vehicle serviced at the dealer every 2,500 miles. (My choice!) I never use oil between oil changes. My selling / servicing dealer suggests using an oil additive BG / MOA. I have been using this product in the oil since the vehicle was new.
Engines burn oil for the following reasons:
1.) Bad valve seals.
2.) Worn valve guides.
3.) Pressurized crankase due to a clogged PCV valve and / or breather system.
4.) Blow-by from worn piston rings.
5.) The wrong oil in the engine.
6.) Fuel getting into the oil.
SUGGESTION:
1.) Change you oil and filter.
2.) Be sure that you are using the correct oil as specified by the manufacturer.
3.) Take a sample of the old oil and have it analyzed to see if there is fuel in the oil.
4.) Keep an accurate record as to the mileage and the amount of oil used.
5.) Replace the PCV valve with a new Toyota PCV valve.
6.) Check your engine for sludge!
Best regards! --------- Dwayne :shades:
Really? I hadn't heard/read that at all.
Also, some comments/questions about your "suggestions":
3.) Take a sample of the old oil and have it analyzed to see if there is fuel in the oil.
WHERE?
4.) Keep an accurate record as to the mileage and the amount of oil used.
AND TELL WHOM?
5.) Replace the PCV valve with a new Toyota PCV valve.
WHERE IS IT LOCATED, EXACTLY? HOW MUCH DOES THIS ITEM COST?
6.) Check your engine for sludge!
WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF SLUDGE? THIS IS PRETTY SUBJECTIVE, ISN'T IT?LIKE........THERE'S SOME BLACK CRUD INSIDE MY OIL FILLER CAP.....IS THAT SLUDGE?
Thanks for your comments.
Mike
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/
Oil usage rate records:
Use them for your own purpose to support your consumption claims to Toyota
BG:
http://www.bgprod.com/history.html
This is a brand of additives sold primarily to car shops to use/sell to retail customers. The products are available on the internet for individuals to purchase as well; try ebay.
>sludge:
Checking for sludge can be subjective. A good technique is to have the valve cover removed and see what's collecting inside. At 54,000 mi there should be relatively little there if oil changes were done on time and with good quality oils. A Toyota salesman told me he showed customers on used cars how to check by sticking his finger into the valve cover and wiping to see what came out on his finger. I assume that was through the oil filler opening. Stuff collecting on the filler cap usually doesn't mean much because it sticks up where it's much cooler and acts as a condenser for various things in vapor form inside the motor.
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2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
As I've reported before, I had a 1997 Camry with the 2.2-liter 4 that was one of the engines with the reputed sludge problem. I did all the own oil changes myself at the recommended (for severe service) 5K mile intervals or less (about 3 times a year), and had no sludge issues over the 7 years and 111K miles I owned the car. I always used conventional (dino) oil too -- no synthetics and no additives.
This was the first car I've owned in 30+ years that never showed any loss of oil on the dipstick between oil changes. This is also true now for all 3 of my current cars: 1998 Frontier, 2004 Camry, and 2005 Camry. Only my lawn mowers now use oil!
I agree with the other writer: I would not be inclined to use ANY product that was billed as an oil or engine life "extender" ....simply on the basis that it DOES sound like a snake oil scam. If the "normal" oil I'm already paying between 4 and 10 bucks a litre/quart for (dino OR synth) isn't already "EXTENDING" the life of my engine....then screw the whole process. May as well put Walmart crap in it and save a whole lotta dough!
Just my two cents worth!
I believe my car manual says no additives are needed for the oil. It says to use oil marked with the proper GM specification and that's all that's needed.
Oils have improved greatly in the last several years.
Re engines using or not using oil:
An engine has to use some oil coating the cylinder walls as the rings slide down and then up on them. No oil would mean friction. The upper part of the cylinder is going to have oil burning off the wall due to the combustion. But many cars use very little. The combustion products that end up in the oil must add enough volume they replace the oil that is, in my thinking away, being used by the car to recoat the cylinder walls. There are always stories about people who drive their car under city conditions and short drives that build up byproducts in the volume of their oil. Then they take a highway trip and all of a sudden the contaminants are purged due to contstant high temperatures and in the cylinders as part of the oil coating, and when they check their oil they find the level is down. So they blame the highway driving for using oil when the car has been using oil all along and just replacing the lost volume with combustion products.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,