2007 Toyota Camry Problems and Repairs

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  • dmathews3dmathews3 Member Posts: 1,739
    You sound like a Audi Engineer as that is what they always said until finally admitting they were/may have been wrong and now all cars/trucks have that shift lock where you HAVE to have your foot on the brake to take trans out of park.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Member Posts: 25,790
    Toyota should be able to read the black box in the car that indicates some sensor and operation readings for the last many seconds or minute or the car's operation.

    This time they can't say the box was damaged in the fire and several mangling of the accident of the Camry ES 350 in San Diego.

    Since no one else was there, no one can say they did step on the wrong pedal. That hasn't been used since the Audi 5000. Are you suggesting the Toyota brake pedal is too close to the gas pedal?

    Personally, I think wwest in another discussion on same topic is on to the true etymology of the cause of _some_ of the crashes along with some improper extra mats in certain close clearance vehicles and possibly a few with a "sticky" gas pedal or sensor--but I'm becoming less convinced of that after seeing one disassembled.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnFp2yLBnNQ

    And one where the video maker posits some of the possible problems in the controls, pedal, throttle body, and computer/firmware.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHotbtd7HJA&feature=related

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  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    To you and the other poster, I'm simply saying that without a thorough investigation, no one knows for sure why that car ended up in the water. An interrogation of the black box certainly would help. I did some crash investigation work for my employer back in the 90s, and I know from that experience that it's still not always easy to discern what really happened (this was before black boxes were widely used) -- sometimes an educated guess was the closest you'd get.

    With regard to Mr. West, I have found his explanations confusing to say the least, and not just in regard to this sudden acceleration issue. I don't see how he would know so much more than the engineers with Toyota and CTS who are much closer to the issue.

    As for the videos, very interesting to see the parts involved. I may have to remove the gas pedal from my 2004 Camry (not involved in either recall) to see if it's the same. His conclusions about the cause are still his opinions, though.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    A flush injects solvent into the transmission with a machine that purports to get ALL of the old fluid out. Then new transmission fluid replaces the solvent. I believe the car is running during the procedure, which means part of the time, only solvent is circulating within the transmission. Plus with a flush, the filter is NOT changed.

    With the traditional drain and refill, you only get about half of the old fluid out. Still, if you repeat the procedure often enough, you eventually replace all of the original fluid.

    When to change the fluid is a matter of heated debate. Certainly if the car is used in high-temperature, high-load conditions (such a towing a trailer), then frequent changes (say every 20,000 miles) are a must.

    For normal use, the consensus is to change it at about 35,000 to 50,000 miles. I did it once so far at 38K miles for my '04 Camry (did not replace the filter though), which now has nearly 71K miles. Since I did it myself, I only had to pay for 4 quarts of fluid.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    210 delray, never did I say I was “certain” about the real cause of that Avalon tragedy that killed four people.

    I said, “ Four people were killed in run away Toyota with floor mat in the trunk.”

    It was a statement of fact. No opinion of mine was expressed in that statement regarding the “real” cause of the Avalon tragedy. When you are so jumpy as to conclude that I was “certain” about the real cause of the tragedy, you are behaving like a guilt-laden cheater who retorted “ How are you so certain I am the father of that baby?” when his wife only told him “ John, it’s not good. The newspaper reports that the woman you admitted to have an affair with has become pregnant.”

    As a matter of fact, the police can easily determine if the driver had tried to stop the run away Avalon by stepping hard on the brake or the driver had stepped hard on the gas all the way to cause the Avalon to hit a fence then plunge into the river. If there are signs of the brakes overheated, it certainly points to the case of a run away Avalon not caused by the gas pedal stuck on a floor mat.

    No, I’m not certain about the real cause of the Avalon tragedy that killed four people but I’m certain that it wasn’t caused by the gas pedal stuck on the floor mat. I’m also certain that that malfunction of the drive by wire system in the Avalon can not be ruled out and certainly deserves to be looked into as a probable cause when there are numerous complaints relating to Vehicle Speed Control by owners of Camry and Avalon on the NHTSA site, some of whom mentioned that their floor mats had already be removed or sure the gas pedal was not stuck on the floor mat.
    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/

    You just choose the year, make, model of the vehicle, then choose various components relating to Vehicle Speed Control one and then click on Get Summary to read the details of the complaints. To understand the scope of the problem, you should search a model over a number of years and do comparative search as well.

    For examples:
    There are 156 complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control for 2007 Toyota Camry but only 11 complaints of same nature for 2007 Honda Accord.
    There are 25 complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control for 2005 Toyota Avalon but only 8 complaints of same nature for 2005 Honda Civic.

    Please note that only complaints are recorded. In the case of the 2008 Toyota Avalon with four people killed, it was not included in the complaints in the NHTSA site because the driver and the passengers were all dead. The dead driver could not make a complaint. Therefore the problem is in fact more serious than that reflected by the complaints filed by drivers who survived the accidents or malfunctions of unintended acceleration..

    Bu reading the summaries of the complaints of those Toyota owners, it is really hard to understand how Toyota could have denied having the serious problem of unintended acceleration on their vehicles for so long. A Congress hearing regarding Toyota’s handling of complaints regarding unintended acceleration is overdue.
  • notmybmwnotmybmw Member Posts: 101
    "By reading the summaries of the complaints of those Toyota owners, it is really hard to understand how Toyota could have denied having the serious problem of unintended acceleration on their vehicles for so long. "

    Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed!!!

    Toyota factory, customer service AND their dealerships have been in complete denial....with heads SO big about their reputation it's hard to imagine how they could get them shoved so far up their keesters!

    I got the same "non-response" on the ECM reprogramming for months and months before finally having to PRINT OUT the TSB and take it, yelling, into the owner of the dealership's office. Only THEN did he finally ask that his service department pay any attention to my issue. (Up until then, the service department tried to tell me "all drive by wire cars respond that way.....your car is normal....that isn't even a TSB you're holding.......that's not even a Toyota document!")

    Right!

    I just wanna take all the recall clippings I can find and go throw them all over their showroom floor.

    Michael
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    Michael. I feel your frustration. I had a 2007 4 cyl Camry that had acceleration hesitation occasionally. That's even worse than having acceleration hesitation all the time because I could not predict if there would be acceleration hesitation the next time I went to a short freeway onramp. On the other hand, many 6cyl Camry owners complained about engine flare and unintended acceleration.

    I didn't even bother to complain to the dealership because Toyota denied having vehicle speed control problems in early 2007 and there was no way I could assure the hesitation could be duplicated by the Toyota dealership. I lost lots of money trading it in. Even if they could duplicate it, I'm sure they would say it's normal in drive by wire. Of course that's not normal. I own a Nissan Sentra 2007 since then and found the speed control very reliable and responsive and I was surprised to find out that it also uses DBW to control the throttle (The only drawback is that the ride is kind of rough). So DBW can be made reliable but if a problem occurs, the cause can be much more difficult to identify than a cable connected throttle system.

    How did the ECM reprogramming work out in your Toyota vehicle? If it has solved the problem, that means there are multiple causes for the vehicle speed control problems instead of just the gas pedal getting stuck on the floor mat as Toyota seems to telling the mass media.

    The following is a complaint taken from the NHTSA site regarding unintended acceleration in a Toyota vehicle that has been positively demonstrated to a Toyota dealership as the result of a faulty drive by wire system instead of the gas peddle getting stuck on the floor mat.
    Complaint number: 10300210
    "I OWN A 2007 AVALON. IN THE PAST 6 MONTHS I HAVE EXPERIENCED 5 EVENTS WHERE THE CAR ACCELERATED ON ITS OWN PRIOR TO THE FINAL EVENTS LEADING UP TO THIS REPORT. SEVERAL TIMES I EXPERIENCED THE CAR ACCELERATING WITHOUT MY FOOT ON THE GAS PEDAL AS I DROVE THROUGH TOWN.THE CAR WOULD GO BACK TO ITS CORRECT RPMS AFTER DRIVING A FEW MILES OR AFTER THE CAR WAS STOPPED AND PUT INTO PARK.AFTER EXPERIENCING THE SUDDEN ACCELERATION THE THIRD TIME I TOOK MY VEHICLE TO BE CHECKED AT MY LOCAL AUTO SHOP. THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE VEHICLE. . AFTER 2 MORE INCIDENTS I BROUGHT MY CAR TO A TOYOTA DEALERSHIP TO BE CHECKED. AFTER KEEPING MY CAR FOR 2 DAYS THEY FOUND NO UNINTENDED ACCELERATION PROBLEMS AND CONFIRMED THAT THE FACTORY MATS WERE INSTALLED PROPERLY. ON 12/28/09 I WAS DRIVING TO WORK ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY. THE CAR BEGAN TO ACCELERATE WITHOUT MY FOOT ON THE GAS PEDAL. AS I PUSHED ON THE BRAKE, THE CAR CONTINUED TO ACCELERATE. AT THAT TIME I WAS NOT ABLE TO STOP MY VEHICLE BY PRESSING HARD ON THE BRAKE. THE ONLY WAY I WAS ABLE TO SLOW THE CAR DOWN WAS TO PUT THE CAR INTO NEUTRAL. I TOOK THE NEXT EXIT WHICH WAS THE EXIT FOR THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP. I CALLED THE DEALERSHIP AND TOLD THE SERVICE MANAGER TO MEET ME OUTSIDE BECAUSE I WAS EXPERIENCING ACCELERATION PROBLEMS. I DROVE APPROXIMATELY 5 MILES BY ALTERNATING FROM NEUTRAL TO DRIVE AND PRESSING VERY FIRMLY ON THE BRAKES. AS I PULLED INTO THE FRONT OF THE DEALERSHIP I PUT THE CAR INTO NEUTRAL AND EXITED THE CAR. WITH THE BRAKES SMOKING FROM THE EXCESSIVE BRAKING AND THE CAR'S RPM'S RACING THE MNGER ENTERED MY CAR. HE CONFIRMED THAT THE MATS WERE PROPERLY IN PLACE AND CONFIRMED THE RPM'S WERE VERY HIGH. THEY CONTACTED A TOYOTA TECH TO LOOK AT MY CAR, AFTER 1 1/2 WEEKS WITH MY CAR THEY WERE TOLD BY TOYOTA TO REPLACE THE THROTTLE BODY AND ACCELERATOR ASSEMBLY INCLUDING BOTH SENSORS. I NO LONGER FEEL SAFE DRIVING THIS CAR AND I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT TOYOTA HAS FOUND THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM. *TR RECEIVED BILL INVOICE FROM CUSTOMER. UPDATED 01/26/10.*JB "

    Toyota shouldn't play Russian roulette with the lives of its customers. They must find out the root cause of the unintended acceleration in it's DBW vehicles and fix them ASAP to keep its customers and other people on the road safe.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    Dallas police say" there was no sign of driver error or alcohol" in runaway Toyota Avalon in which four people were found dead and the floor mat found in the trunk.

    Safety Research & Strategies expert says "We clearly think that Toyota has a larger problem on their hands that involve electronics with their vehicles."

    ABC News found reports of almost 2000 accidents and as many as 16 deaths possibly connected to the run away Toyotas.

    Toyota service manager witness unwanted acceleration not related to floor mat entrapment. Toyota blames problem on sticky gas pedal but custom insist the gas pedal was never stuck.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/runaway-toyotas-problem-persists-recall/story?id=9- 618735
  • mrapp769mrapp769 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2007 Camry XLE. The push door at the rear of the console (closest to raised compartment) won't oppen all the way as something seems to have gotten jammed under it. How can I take off the door and get object out???

    Mitch
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Here's a link where you can continue: Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall.

    One important caveat - keep it civil and avoid any name-calling or insults.

    See you there!

    Oh and does anyone have any help for Mitch? That would be super.
  • gerv2gerv2 Member Posts: 1
    HI Ican sympatize with you about driver seat comfort .I' ve owned both a 2007 and a 2010 camry and found both seats to be very uncomfortable.On my 2007 I brought it to the dealer and they said that nothing could be done.So I decide to take it apart myself and investigate the problem.I found that after 30k mileage the seat springs had streched and also discovered that the seams under the cloth seat was held in place by a metal rod and eye hooks .I believe that this in particuler is what is bugging me the most especially under my right thigh.On my 2010 model I upgraded to an electric seat hoping for better comfort but it is the same as my 2007 model .
  • toyota07toyota07 Member Posts: 12
    Has anyone had the gas paddle fix? If so, have you noticed any difference? I am getting mine done on Monday. :)

    Thank you,
  • notmybmwnotmybmw Member Posts: 101
    Just to guard against anyone possibly confusing the Camry with a Formula 1 contestant....can we clarify right now that it's a gas PEDAL......not a "paddle"?

    (Laughing WITH you....not at you!)

    :)

    Mike
  • ledzepplinledzepplin Member Posts: 41
    :mad: Before you have your car towed to the junkyard please see if you can remember instances in the above where you were passing or otherwise accelerating rapidly and the engine kept racing even though you took your foot off the accelerator? :confuse: Eventually, pumping the gas pedal, stops it and reverts to a normal rpm. :sick:
    I wonder if this condition is a deteriorating one or it is just a quirk of the transmission or a computer problem ? :surprise:
    Now that I am risking my life in a camry I am starting to pay attention to what it does and it does this about 3 times a week. I put about 350 mi/week. Wish me luck, I haven't killed anyone yet. Thanks :lemon:
  • toyota07toyota07 Member Posts: 12
    Man, I thought the spell checker would’ve caught that. Just kidding!!

    Joe
  • johngf1johngf1 Member Posts: 37
    Anyone have any info on the latest Toyota recall related to loss of brake fluid. The article I read mentioned that Toyo was recalling 2010 Camrys but I noticed that my son's 2007 LE was low on brake fluid. I refilled it and didn't think about it until I read about today's recall.
  • notmybmwnotmybmw Member Posts: 101
    Hi, John.

    My guess is that your son's LE may simply need new brake pads.

    As the pads wear, the pistons in the brake cylinders at each wheel push out further to bring the pad material into contact with the disks when brakes are applied. The pads, over time, therefore stay further out in their travel which means more fluid has "moved down the line" from the main reservoir (master cylinder) to keep them in their new, "further out" positions.

    Fluid from the master appears to have been "lost", when in fact it is just taking up the "slack" in the lines in order to maintain equilibrium.....and prevent air leaks.

    You would find right now, that if you DID put in a new set of disk pads on all four wheels, that there is actually too MUCH fluid (since you topped it up)...and you would probably have to actually bleed some off, or "scoop" it out of the reservoir in order to keep it DOWN to the proper operating level.
    (I just replaced my 07's pads and DIDN'T top up the fluid beforehand...knowing that it would come back up by itself once the new pads pushed the pistons back into the wheel cylinders. Fluie in the master cyl came back up just fine!)

    A friend who's into disk brakes can help you out.
    (Alternatively, post back here if you still have questions.)

    Regards,
    Mike
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    You haven't killed anyone yet? Please don't count on luck to keep yourself and other people safe when the engine of your Toyota Camry keeps on racing even though your foot is off the accelerator. If I were you, I would insist that Toyota find out and solve the problem before I would use it again for daily commute.

    The Chinese man Koua Fong Lee was not so lucky. He was convicted of criminal vehicular homicide after his 1996 Toyota Camry raced up to 90mph on a freeway exit and then crashed into an Oldsmobile stopped at the red light, killing a St. Paul father and his 10-year-old son. His 7-year-old niece was left a quadriplegic and died a year and a half later. Mr. Lee is now serving a jail term of 8 years for a crime that he insists he did not commit.

    "Koua Fong Lee testified at his trial in 2007 that he was returning home from a church event on the day of the accident. His pregnant wife, their 4-year-old daughter, his father and his brother were in the car with him.

    He had no criminal history and had not been drinking or on drugs. He said he was not talking on a cell phone or distracted by anything else.

    But as he pulled off the freeway, something suddenly went wrong.

    "I stepped on my brakes. For some reason, the brakes did not work," he testified. "And then I was very afraid. I began to think that my family is all in this car and I was worried I was going to crash into the other vehicles."

    http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_14376176?source=rss&nclick_check=1

    Both the prosecutors and Mr. Lee's trial attorney blamed Mr. Lee for stepping on the accelerator rather than the brake in spite of the fact that there were numerous complaints of unintended acceleration involving 1996 Toyota Camry on the NHTSA website- a fact which indicates Mr. Lee could be telling the truth but he was unable to escape becoming a scapegoat for Toyota which was able to cover up the huge number of reports of unintended acceleration of its vehicles until the much publicized case of the death of a police officer and his family in a run away Lexus led ABC News to expose Toyota's cover-up.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm
    Read Get Summary on complaints about Vehicle Speed Control.

    ABC News reported that Kevin Haggerty, a 45-year-old salesman from Pittstown, New Jersey also experienced unintended acceleration in his 2007 Toyota Avalon.
    "I had my foot on the brake," recalled Haggerty. The more he pressed the brake, the more the car accelerated. "It seemed like the accelerator was overpowering the brake."
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-driver-abc-news-videos-helped-save-life/sto- ry?id=9618954

    Toyota still blames accidents involving deaths on drivers stepping on the accelerator rather than the brake in spite of numerous complaints of unintended acceleration involving Toyota vehicles.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYWqqgr7Wcg

    Not only that many people are dead because of run away Toyotas, now a man who maintains his innocence with proof to support his testimony from recent findings on Toyota's unintended acceleration is being locked up for 8 years behind bars.

    SHAME ON TOYOTA for allowing such tragedies to happen
  • wpg1wpg1 Member Posts: 1
    I am consuming a litre of oil every 1000 kish ( 1 quart oil every 750 miles). Any idea if there has been a silent recall? I am past warranty!

    Is this a common problem
    Any comments r4egarding approaching the dealer or Toyota?

    What is the source of the problem?
    How can I resolve the problem?
    What needs to be done? Do I have to rebuild the engine?

    Somewhat suggested the rings are stuck and I can I try an additive which may loosen the rings.

    I have checked the [CV Valve and it is OK.

    Thanks, for your comments. WPG1
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    How many kilometers are on the car? Is it a 2007 model?

    Magic mystery additives won't free stuck rings, and I doubt this is the problem anyway.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Member Posts: 25,790

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  • solomon_1950solomon_1950 Member Posts: 1
    With deep sense of regret and sadness i wish to complain about the sudden Gear Box problem my 2007 Toyata Camry developed. I have be seeking for a solution to it, but to know avail.

    Please if you people can help in arranging for a new gear box .
  • johngf1johngf1 Member Posts: 37
    Thanks for the education and comments. Sound good to me.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    Did you take it to the dealership, and what did they say is wrong with it?
  • ledzepplinledzepplin Member Posts: 41
    You're absolutely right! But, if I take it in I will be without a car for a long time. I will have to be very careful to remain at 30 or 35mph. I feel that if I bring it in (supposing I could do that) it would run perfectly. That has happened 3 or 4 times with my toyotas. All I can pray for is that a tree or a tsunami or a fire will destroy it.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    I understand your dilemma. If your Toyota is not one of the recalled models or years but you experienced unintended acceleration or engine flare only OCCASIONALLY, it is likely the Toyota service staff will tell you they find nothing wrong with your car when you bring it in..

    But finding out the problem should not be the sole objective of bringing the vehicle in.
    This is what I suggest you should do:
    1/ Establish documentary records with the Toyota service department. The service document you possess should have statements indicating that you had brought the car in because of occasional unintended acceleration or engine flare. It is the most important step to protect yourself against being falsely accused of stepping on the accelerator by mistake in case an accident happens because of unintended acceleration. Keep the original documents at home, not in the car, and let family members know where you keep the documents.
    2/ If Toyota can not find out and fix the problem of occasional unintended acceleration in your car and you had no choice but to drive it, you must learn and practice in a safe location on how to stop your vehicle safely if serious unintended acceleration occurs.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT07_JbnKWQ
    3/ If you experience minor unintended acceleration or engine flare, post a complaint on Edmunds.com and state that you had brought the car in but Toyota could not find out the problem. If you experience a serious unintended acceleration or flare, complain to the NHTSA.
    4/ If you have an adult passenger in your car when the unintended acceleration or engine flare happens, have the passenger sign a written note about the incident as a witness and put the phone number of the passenger on the note too.
    5/ Check out the complaint section on the NHTSA website to see if any owners of the same model and year complained about the Vehicle Speed Control. If many owners of the same model and year complained about the same or similar problem, contact NHTSA to demand action to be taken to force Toyota to deal with the problem seriously.

    Is your Toyota in the recall lists? What model and year is your car?
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    In an attempt to see a broader picture of Toyota's unintended acceleration problem, I have collected the following data of complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control against Toyota Camry from 1990 to 2009 on the NHTS website and found two startling peaks of complaint related to Vehicle Speed Control . Anybody who wants to confirm the data can use the link below:
    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/index.cfm

    Year [Speed Control] [Pedal] [Cruise Control] [Cable or Linkage] = Speed Control Related Complaints
    1990 7+8+0+1=16
    1991 5+1+0+0=6
    1992 7+4+2+2=15
    1993 12+4+0+1=17
    1994 11+2+2+2=17
    1995 8+1+4+1=14
    1996 18+2+11+1=32
    1997 13+2+1+2=18
    1998 32+12+4+7=55
    1999 31+8+1+2=42
    2000 39+11+2+3=55
    2001 16+4+0+1=21
    2002 135+20+4+5=164
    2003 121+19+3+0=143
    2004 79+18+2+1=100
    2005 75+9+3+0=87
    2006 39+1+0+0=40
    2007 143+24+15+0=173
    2008 28+1+1+0=30
    2009 56+5+0+0=61

    From the above data, we can see that :
    1/ The number of complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control for each model year suddenly jumped from the average of about 26 complaints for each model year to 164 complaints for the 2002 model. It is a more than six folds increase that begs for explanation.
    It turned out that 2002 was the year when Toyota first introduced the Drive by Wire system for controlling the throttle electronically with computer programming. Obviously, Toyota’s DBW system was not tested thorough enough to match the reliability of the cable controlled throttle system before being introduced into Toyota Camry in 2002.
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/83523027.html

    2/ For the models from 2003 to 2006, the number of complaints decreased gradually from triple digits back to the double digit of 40 only. However, the number of complaints related to speed control suddenly jumped to an all time high of 173 cases for the 2007 Camry. The figures dropped to double digits again in 2008 and 2009. Therefore, if you own a 2007 Camry, there is a higher probability of your car having Vehicle Speed Control problems.
    I can not find the reason for the sudden jump of the number of complaints related to speed control for the 2007 Camry but I believe the Toyota manufacturer should have some clues about it as they know what changes, including hardware and software, have been made to the DBW system in the 2007 Camry in comparison to the 2006 Camry.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    edited February 2010
    Some of those 2002 speed control complaints may have related to the 1-2 second downshift delay/hesitation. The reason, or at least one of the reasons, DBW was adopted that year was due to the move to use the U140E with the flawed design. To overcome the flaw and alleviate premature transaxle failures, "protect the drive train" DBW was used to delay the onset of rising engine torque to allow time for the trasaxle to complete a downshift even if the driver suddenly went WOT.

    That would have probably resulted in numerous consumer complaints along the lines of "my car doesn't always respond to the gas pedal input".

    Interesting also is that I believe 2007 was the year the change was made to the firmware in order to reduce these incidents of 1-2 second downshift delay/hesitation.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    You say Toyota wanted to use the DBW computer programming in the 2000 model to overcome a design flaw in the U140E and alleviate premature transaxle failures.

    I believe that could be true but I am sure that an overwhelming majority of the complaints related to Vehicle Speed Control in the 2002 Camry had nothing to do with that intentional delay of the rising of engine torque.

    I have so far read 22 of the 164 complaints about Vehicle Speed Control for the 202 Camry, only 1 complaint was about acceleration hesitation, the other 21 cases were about unintended acceleration or engine flare.

    The truth is only an insignificant number of those 2002 speed control complaints are related to the 1-2 second downshift delay/hesitation but a great majority of the complaints are related to unintended acceleration which are likely due to electronic or software problem yet to be identified.

    It does not mean that acceleration hesitation is not a problem in 2002 Camrys. I think people are more likely to report to the NHTSA about unintended acceleration than acceleration hesitation because unintended acceleration is more likely to cause accidents and worries than acceleration hesitation.

    I had a 2007 Camry 4cyl which had occasional acceleration hesitation but I did not report it to the NHTSA because it was much less likely than unintended acceleration to cause an accident.
    I think if Toyota had change the computer programming to reduce hesitation in 2007 Camrys, they probably did it to the 6 cyl Camrys but not the 4 cyl ones. As far as I can remember, all the complaints I read about unintended acceleration of 2007 Camrys had 6 cylinders.

    The computer programming in today’s firmware in vehicles has become so complicated, I would not be surprised that both Toyota and the NHTSA are still clueless about what really goes wrong in Toyota's DBW system.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    edited February 2010
    The blip in 2007 was the problem where when running on cruise control, it would stay in 5th gear torque converter lockup too long when going up a slight grade, and as a result it would have to downshift to third to get the vehicle speed back up. Now it drops out of lockup, then drops from 5th to 4th if need be. That was fixed early on with a TSB, which reloaded the computer. I know, I have the vehicle, reported it as a complaint, and have been extremely happy post TSB. 50K+ miles, and the vehicle has been fabulous.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    So you were "extremely happy" post TSB 50K+ miles? Did you bring your 2007 Camry to Toyota to replace the sticky gas pedal in response to the latest recall on January 21, 2010?
    If you did, that means you were extremely happy with a Camry having a potentially dangerous gas pedal. Ignorance is not bliss, at least not for those owners who got into an accident because the gas pedal stuck.
    If you did not, then you should even when you are extremely happy with the performance of your 2007 Camry after TSB.

    Who informed you about the TSB for reprogramming the computer? Why did some customers complain about Toyota not acknowledging there was a TSB for fixing the computer glitch that caused unintended acceleration?
    Is the latest sticky pedal recall for 2007 Camry just an excuse for Toyota to secretly reload the computers without confessing that it did not properly inform all affected Toyota owners about the TSB for fixing the computer glitch that may have cause the unintended acceleration in a number of fatal accidents and huge number of non-fatal accidents?
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    edited February 2010
    No, I have not had the gas pedal fixed yet. I've felt the pedal action, I don't have any current issues.

    The earlier TSB you referenced was not a mandatory fix. I'm an engineer and strive for perfection, and I didn't like the way it was shifting. I suspect the reason of the issue is that they were trying to keep/lock it in high gear to eek out a extra couple tenths of mpg. I'd rather have the better 'performance'. My wife or daughter didn't notice or care. My brother who has same vehicle, didn't notice or care, or even have the TSB performed.

    These are complex control systems in all of the newer vehicles. Everything is computer controlled now, and unless one has knowledge and exposure to building these types of controls..... I don't think the average person understands or cares. When I was a kid and started driving, we would have to do a tuneup every 15-20K miles (points, plugs, condensor). Clutches would last maybe 30K miles, and you'd crank your own window. Today, we all expect vehicles to be error free for 150K miles, and even the dome light is computer controlled.

    Any manufacturer could have problems. My 2004 Ford Explorer actually DID have an accelerator pedal problem, loosing it's signal and outside of tolerance, and the vehicle limped home. The fix ??? .... a new gas pedal.

    My Chevy, has of course had the fix for the windshield fluid heater, to avoid the unintended fires that have happened if that heater shorted.

    My Harley has had a steering bearing problem.

    The point, I've not had one vehicle in the last 15 years that has not had something potentially seriously wrong with it. But I'll tell you, they run better than both our clothes washer and dish washer under multiple daily usage conditions. .

    I am actually intending to buy a 2nd Camry shortly, and the stock is a great investment opportunity (just bought some yesterday).....as the press continues to hammer Toyota. In my opinion, no need to get all emotional about this.
  • barroncbarronc Member Posts: 44
    I also have a 2007 Camry and have not had a problem with the accelerator but I brought the car in anyways to have it fixed plus the service manager said there had been an earlier recall to replace the oil line hose. Both were done a few days ago. Better safe than sorry.
  • samkhan1samkhan1 Member Posts: 7
    I hired a lawyer specialized in lemon-law vehicle and after he reviewed my case, he agreed to help me out. I had so many problems with my 2007 (46K) Camry from day one when I bought it new, such as brakes problems, engine hesitation, front end vibration, inside noises. Of course, the dealer, said everything is normal and nothing they can do, except they work/repair the brakes 3 times. After several attempt to resolve issues on my own with Toyota customer service (awful treatment by hanging up the phone on me), I decided to get legal help. Since a lawyer was involved, Toyota agreed to replace my 2007 Camry with brand new 2010 Camry. I was hoping to get rid of the car and just relive me from it. But, my lawyer said this is the best he can do for me after driving the car for 46k miles. Anyone experience something like that before? Or, any suggestion on what to do? Shall I take the deal or not?
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    You are an engineer and you have not had the gas pedal of your Toyota in the recall list fixed yet!!!
    Are you an engineer related to Toyota in anyway?
    Not necessarily working for Toyota, but a Toyota stock holder, perhaps, based on your recommendation of buying Toyota stocks. You call Toyota stock "a great investment" even though Toyota is being besieged by several lawsuits, including class action lawsuits, related to accidents cased by unintended acceleration! Amazing!

    You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was NOT a not a mandatory fix!!! That's why so many 2007 Camry owners got into accidents because of unintended acceleration and why the 2007 Camry was the most complained related to Vehicle Speed Control in the NHTSA website.

    Your nonchalant attitude towards the gas pedal recall in spite of you being an engineer gives more weight to the suspicion that the latest Toyota gas pedal recall is just a smoke screen for fixing computer glitch that may cause unintended acceleration in Toyotas.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    edited February 2010
    Not related to Toyota in any way, form, or fashion.

    Yes, I am now a Toyota stockholder (as of last week). I bought Ford and Chevy stocks when they were beat down and sold them when they raised back up, bought a number of tech and banking stocks when they were beat down, and pharmaceuticals when they were beat down years ago. For a patient investor, these overreactions by the marketplace create some good contraian investment opportunities for quality companies. Three years from now, some other manufacturer will have negative marketplace news, and Toyota will be back up.

    Buy low, sell high.

    You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was NOT a not a mandatory fix!!! That's why so many 2007 Camry owners got into accidents because of unintended acceleration and why the 2007 Camry was the most complained related to Vehicle Speed Control in the NHTSA website. Too bad you have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't you get a copy of the TSB or do some technical research before you rant and rave on a topic, making assertions that have no factual basis.

    If you don't like the way Toyota is handling this, don't buy their vehicles, and hire a lawyer to litigate your case. You can protest with your pocketbook.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    Correction on post# 5024:You say the TSB that could solve the problem relating to unintended acceleration was " NOT a mandatory fix" !!!
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    I said in post #5024 "Are you an engineer related to Toyota in anyway?
    Not necessarily working for Toyota, but a Toyota stock holder, perhaps".

    It proves that my hunch of you being a Toyota stock holder is correct.
    You being a Toyota stock holder is considered by me to be related to Toyota in business, so don’t tell me the lie that you are not related to Toyota in any way, form, or fashion.

    Buy low, sell high. Exactly. Wonder how low Toyota stock will go when Toyota is found guilty of being responsible for the death of people killed in accidents involving run away Toyotas.

    Of course I had a good idea of what I talked about when I said the high rate of accidents in 2007 Camry related to unintended acceleration and 2007 Camry being the most complained related to speed control can be attributed to the TSB not being a mandatory fix.

    Since many 2007 Camry owners were not informed about the TSB and many 2007 Camry owners got into accident the first time they experience unintended acceleration, it is irresponsible for Toyota not to make the TSB for fixing the computer software a mandatory one. You say you have been "extremely happy post TSB", so why you think the other 2007 Camry owners should be deprived of their opportunity to be "extremely happy post TSB"? How can you be so selfish?

    You may try to defend Toyota’s wrong-doings in order to protect your investment in Toyota stock. I don't care how much qualification you have as an engineer, when there is an obvious conflict of interest, your opinion is no more trustworthy than the opinions of Toyota owners who had experienced the problems.

    So sue me if you have the money- Is that what you think Toyota should be telling it's customers?
    Is that how you think Toyota should be treating surviving victims and families of people killed in run away Toyotas?
    Is that how you think Toyota should be telling an innocent man being locked up to serve 8 years in jail when the prosecutor blamed him for mistakenly stepping on the gas pedal to accelerate a Camry up to 90 mph on the freeway OFFRAMP before hitting a car stopping at a red light causing the death of 3 people while covering up the fact that there are many complaints of unintended acceleration on the same model year on the NHTSA website?

    You should remember that the president of Toyota Motor Corp. apologized for safety problems that have led to massive worldwide recalls of its vehicles, he did not say- 'If you don't like the way Toyota is handling this, don't buy our vehicles, and hire a lawyer to litigate your case. You can protest with your pocketbook'.
  • houston_manhouston_man Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2010
    I am 50 years old, have owned Toyota's in one shape or form for over 15 years. I currently own a 2007 Camry XLS, which happens to be on the recall list for the accelerator problem, of which I have not had a problem.

    I can tell you that at least with MY car, I have had ZERO issues and it now has 50,000 miles.
  • kiawahkiawah Member Posts: 3,666
    edited February 2010
    A couple points, and then I'll let you talk to yourself on this.

    1.) First, a contrarian investor, invests in companies that are beat down and having problems in the marketplace. The public tends to overreact, selling their stock positions, and the stock price drops lower than the fundamentals would indicate that it should be. If one then buys these stock opportunities, as a good company works their way out of the these problems, the stock eventually rises back to normal valuations, and one can make money off of other investors who dumped the stock unnecessarily in the first place. So my buying stock in this company is a pure financial play against those investors who are selling the stock. If you consider that related to Toyota in business, okay, that's your opinion.

    AP article

    2.) Secondly, you may be 'related to Toyota in business', and not even realize it. If you have any mutual fund investments, those mutual funds could have Toyota stock in their portfolio. If you work for a company with a 401K, or if you have a pension plan, then those could very well have Toyota in their stock porfolio. If you work for a company that makes a product or perform some service, Toyota may be a customer of yours.

    3.) Thirdly, I'll help you here on the TSB. The TSB was a performance enhancement, and adjusted the engines fuel mixture power output, and the transmission shift points in the computer. It better matched the engine and transmission shift points, so (for example) that while cruising at highway speeds the vehicle could better maintain a constant vehicle speed without having to downshift from 5th gear with torque converter lock up, down to third. I have no idea how or why you would want to try and link that to any accelerator pedal or un-intended acceleration issues. It's apples and oranges.

    Perhaps an analogy might help. Let's say your kitchen sink waterflow is slow and you really like a lot of water flow to fill the pots up quickly. You call the plumber, who comes out and puts in a 3/8" feed/riser pipe, as opposed to the 1/4" that was there. You're now happy, but a week later notice you are having slow septic problems. You call the plumber back and complain that he messed up your septic system. Well they are both plumbing problems you reason, but unfortunately totally unrelated.

    The TSB is like the waterfill pipe. The original was fine for many/most families. For those that experience and report it to a delaer, they will get the TSB. If I don't use the cruise control or care how fast a pot fills, nobody is going to mess with my plumbing. A slow septic on the other hand is more critical, like unintended acceleration, and gets a recall.

    Enjoy your ride.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    Congratulations for being 'lucky' enough to be owning a 2007 Camry without unintended acceleration so far.

    Statistics speaks fairer than the testimony of just a few individuals regardless of their motives.
    Year [Speed Control] [Pedal] [Cruise Control] [Cable or Linkage] = Speed Control Related Complaints
    1990 7+8+0+1=16
    1991 5+1+0+0=6
    1992 7+4+2+2=15
    1993 12+4+0+1=17
    1994 11+2+2+2=17
    1995 8+1+4+1=14
    1996 18+2+11+1=32
    1997 13+2+1+2=18
    1998 32+12+4+7=55
    1999 31+8+1+2=42
    2000 39+11+2+3=55
    2001 16+4+0+1=21
    2002 135+20+4+5=164
    2003 121+19+3+0=143
    2004 79+18+2+1=100
    2005 75+9+3+0=87
    2006 39+1+0+0=40
    2007 143+24+15+0=173
    2008 28+1+1+0=30
    2009 56+5+0+0=61

    If I were you, I would be practicing how to stop the 2007 Camry safely by shifting to neutral just in case the apparently normal 2007 Camry suddenly accelerates up to 100 mph like the Lexus under the professional care of a rental car company before being rented to the hapless CHP officer.
  • notmybmwnotmybmw Member Posts: 101
    Take the 2010 replacement and RUN!!

    If you're very old (i.e. over 40) you know that this is virtually unheard of in the industry. (If you're UNDER forty....just ask around!)

    Big car manufacturers would almost rather go bankrupt than "replace" a car. (That's how/why 'lemon laws' got started in the first place: car companies NEVER took back bad cars......they just fixed 'em and fixed 'em and fixed 'em...even though they never did get FIXED!)

    Take it, buddy!
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    You will let me talk to myself on this? Six other members besides you responded directly to my posts since I talk about the Toyota recall. Please don’t disrespect other members like they don’t exist at all just because they don’t have or don’t brag about having an engineer credential like you do. Even if no members response, I would be talking to Toyota. If you think talking to Toyota is talking to myself, your attitude towards complaint and criticism is no different from that of the apathetic Toyota administrators.

    If Toyota stock goes down further because Toyota loses in the lawsuits involving unintended acceleration, a Toyota investor would not be happy about it.
    If Toyota stock goes up because Toyota with it’s huge financial resources is able to win the lawsuits by convincing the judges to issue judgments that blame the Toyota owners for stepping on the gas pedal by mistake just because Toyota says so, a Toyota investor with a conscience would not be happen either because the hapless Toyota customers and their families are victimized yet again.
    Of course, there are investors who would care less if the hapless Toyota owners are blamed unjustifiably for causing fatal accidents by stepping on the gas pedal instead of the brake or even put in jail as a scapegoat for Toyota, as long as the Toyota stock goes up again.
    So until Toyota stock goes further down after being sentenced to compensate the victims or victims’ families and Toyota starts to learn from its mistakes, I would not say that Toyota stock is a good investment for investors.

    I was talking about people who buy Toyota stock lately as an individual investor with the hope that Toyota will win the lawsuits related to unintended acceleration. I was not talking about group investment like 401K. Nice try using deceptive argument.

    I was talking about the large number of complaints about vehicle speed control on 2007 Camry, an overwhelming majority of which were related to unintended acceleration. You were the one who answered my post #5016 about the blip in 2007 Camry in your post #5019 and mentioned that the problem was fixed with a TSB. So you, not me, were the one who tried to confuse the issue of unintended acceleration with the issue of acceleration hesitation.

    I’m enjoying my ride alright. But thankfully it’s not a Toyota.

    I wish Toyota would not make it a standard practice to blame their hapless customers in fatal accidents for stepping on the gas pedal by mistake and would deal with all possible causes of unintended acceleration in their vehicles seriously even if it would mean having to expose more defects of their DBW system and that Toyota stock will go further down before come back up.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    I suggest that you go to the NHTSA website to read about the complaints of 2010 Camry owners before you decide if you should accept the offer from the dealership of replacing your lemon 2007 Camry with a brand new 2010 Camry.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/

    In my previous posts, I suggested people to choose options relating to Vehicle Speed Control when checking out complaints. However, I just found out that the complainants may complain about unintended acceleration under electrical system, power train, fuel system, gasoline, unknown or other as well as vehicle speed control. Therefore, I suggest you NOT to select any specific component so that you can read all complaints related to unintended acceleration as well as other problems related to the 2010 Camry.
    Click on Get Summary to read the complaints.

    I had a 2007 Camry with acceleration hesitation like yours. I traded it in after owning it for a very short time and I’m glad that I decided not to buy another Toyota ever again.

    It was a pain in the neck to deal with acceleration hesitation of the 2007 Camry 4cyl when merging onto the freeway. However, I consider the unintended acceleration as reported by many 2010 Camry owners posts much greater danger to the life of the driver as well as other people on the road.

    Hope you will make the right decision.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I'd counter that you have to take every complaint with some degree of skepticism. Some people will complain about anything, and others will blame the vehicle when maybe, just maybe, they made a mistake while driving.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    If you check out the complaints against 2010 Camry on the NHTSA website you can see that there are 46 complaints. Some complaints are filed under different components
    20 Camry owners are willing to provide their Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN) for the complaint.
    A large numbers of the complaints have something to do with unintended acceleration.

    If the 2010 Camry owners experience only minor problems without causing accidents, I don’t think they would reveal their Vehicle Identification Number and then lie or exaggerate on the internet that there is something seriously wrong with their 2010 Camry. To do so would mean depreciation in the resale value of their 2010 Camrys.
    I have no doubt that those 2010 Camry owners who provide the VINs have experience serious problem(s) that prompt them to make the complaints.
    On the other hand, I am very skeptical of Toyota’s claim that ONLY floor mat entrapment and stuck gas pedal are to blame for the huge numbers of complaints of unintended acceleration. I also despise Toyota for blaming some vulnerable Toyota owners for stepping on the wrong pedal and speeding the vehicle to 90 mph or more on the highway before crashing in spite of the fact that it is very unlikely for drivers to step on the wrong pedal while cruising on the highway as compared to starting or parking a vehicle in the parking lot. It is even far more unlikely for drivers driving on the highway to keep on stepping on the gas pedal by mistake long enough to speed the vehicle up to 90 mph or more without realizing his or her foot is on the wrong pedal while trying to slow down or stop the vehicle.

    For comparison, there are only 3 complaints against the 2010 Accord by two people in the NHTSA website. One provides the VIN. The other did not. None of the complaints has to do with unintended acceleration.

    The profiles of Toyota owners are not much different from that of Honda owners. There is no reason at all to support the crazy idea that only 2010 Toyota Camry owners would be prone to mistake the gas for the brake while the Honda Accord owners would not. There is also no reason at all to support the crazy idea that only 2010 Toyota Camry owners would like to bad-mouth and depreciate the value of their new cars while the Honda Accord owners would not.

    OK, if you are still not convinced that there is something wrong with the 2010 Camry, then may be a recall of the 2010 Camry would.
    It’s no joke. Toyota has issued a recall of 7,300 of its 2010 Camry on Feb 9, 2010.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/10/business/main6192754.shtml
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    edited February 2010
    OK, if you are still not convinced that there is something wrong with the 2010 Camry, then may be a recall of the 2010 Camry would.
    It’s no joke. Toyota has issued a recall of 7,300 of its 2010 Camry on Feb 9, 2010.


    Funny, but this cited recall has nothing to do with sudden acceleration and amounts to maybe a week's worth of production!

    And I don't think there's anything seriously wrong with the '10 Camry other than the ongoing efforts regarding the floor mats and the "sticky" gas pedal. Sean Kane claims my 2004 and 2005 Camrys are prone to accelerating wildly out of control also because of the electronics/software.

    I'm hardly cringing in fear. The cars have a total of nearly 115K miles between them and I've never experienced the slightest "blip" in the throttle mechanisms. So call me skeptical.

    I'm sure there will be a ton of complaints about future Camrys now that the cat is out of the bag, so to speak. Every incident will be blamed on sudden acceleration.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    Correction for post #5020:
    If you did, that means you (should not have been) extremely happy with a Camry having a potentially dangerous gas pedal. Ignorance is not bliss, at least not for those owners who got into an accident because the gas pedal stuck.
    If you did not, then you should even when you are extremely happy with the performance of your 2007 Camry after TSB.
  • nmt001nmt001 Member Posts: 124
    I don't think it's funny at all. Even though this recall has nothing to do with sudden acceleration, it has something to do with the possibility of leaking brake fluid, which is an extremely dangerous combination with sudden acceleration that many 2010 Camry owners complained about on the NHTSA website.

    Please read the following complaint (ODI #10293611) taken from the NHTSA website:

    11/24/09 I WAS DRIVING MY 2010 CAMRY IN A PARKING LOT. MY CHILDREN WERE IN THE BACK SEAT. I WAS TRAVELING 10 MPH. MY RIGHT FOOT WAS NOT ON THE GAS, NOR THE BRAKE, THE TORQUE OF THE ENGINE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR MOVING US ALONG WHILE LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPACE. MY RIGHT FOOT WAS ABOVE THE BRAKE AS I WAS SLOWLY LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT. SUDDENLY, I HEARD A VERY LOUD VVRROOOMMMM AND THE CAR SPONTANEOUSLY ACCELERATED AND LUNGED FORWARD APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET. THANKFULLY, I WAS ABLE TO BRAKE QUICKLY AND STOPPED THE CAR. I THEN TOOK IT TO THE DEALERSHIP. CONICELLI RAN A DIAGNOSTIC ON MY CAR. LATER THAT DAY WHEN I PICKED UP THE CAR, THEY SAID THEY FOUND NOTHING. WHEN I ASKED THEM WHERE THE "SPONTANEOUS ACCELERATION" (A PROBLEM TOYOTA EARLIER IN THE DAY TOLD ME THEY WERE HAVING) WOULD HAVE APPEARED ON THE DIAGNOSTIC, THEY WERE AT A LOSS. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE WAS NOT A FLOOR MAT IN THE DRIVER'S SIDE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE "SPONTANEOUS ACCELERATION" WAS CAUSED BY THE "MAT ISSUE." I KNOW MY EXPERIENCE WAS REAL AND NOT CAUSED BY DRIVER ERROR. I FEEL THE PROBLEM IS ELSEWHERE AND EXACERBATED FOR SOME DRIVERS BECAUSE THEY HAD THE FLOOR MATS IN PLACE. PLEASE PRESS TOYOTA TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS ISSUE. I NO LONGER FEEL SAFE IN MY 2010 TOYOTA CAMRY THAT I BOUGHT FOR SAFETY REASONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. *TR THANK YOU.
    (Bold type mine.)

    Note that there was no floor mat on the 2010 Carmy and the driver's foot was above the brake when the "spontaneous acceleration" happened, so floor mat entrapment and sticky pedal cannot explain the dangerous anomaly.

    Your blind faith that there's nothing seriously wrong with the '10 Camry other than the ongoing efforts regarding the floor mats and the "sticky" gas pedal" is not shared by me, nor by the 2010 Camry owner who experienced the "spontaneous acceleration", nor by the independent safety expert, Sean Kane.

    With Toyota insisting only floor mat entrapment and sticky gas pedal to blame and your staunch support for Toyota, I wonder why you did not come to the conclusion that after all floor mats and gas pedals have been fixed in the recalled Toyotas, every sudden acceleration incident in those vehicles will be blamed on the driver stepping on the wrong pedal. That should be a more probable scenario than every incident will be blamed on sudden acceleration by Toyota owners.
  • morleybcmorleybc Member Posts: 2
    I have a 07 Camry LE.About 6 mths ago I noticed a poor idle when the air condition is turned on then it would go away.Lately it is doing now without the air being truned on.I took it to the dealer and they said no bad codes registered.At this p[oint they have blamed it on the battery.The battery was checked out as well as the alternator, and they both checked out ok.Any advice please?
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