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I imagine a good chunk of it is due to the high markup on the vehicle which basically evaporates the second you drive it off the lot.
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And for a good depreciation story... In 1996 I bought a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT V-R4, Twin turbos all the good stuff. The car had an original sticker price of around $45,000, the guy I bought the car from had leased it for 3 years so I basically bought out his lease. Paid $19,000. That is some quick depreciation of $26,000 in 3 years. After a year when my young life crisis was over I could hardly give the car away.
WHY IS THERE A 7.2 CONSUMER RATING IN THIS VEHICLE, WHEN IT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD ONE?
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Good luck! Nokians are GREAT winter tires!
http://www.discoweb.org/
My wife drives and X-5 and I drive a 2001 DII. I definitely like both vehicles. Would I own an X5 as my own vehicle? Definitely! But will I ever give up my Rover? Absolutely not
Each vehicle has their pros and cons:
The X5 has superior road handling skills, lots of little BMW extras (the red light illumination in all the right places at night), superb engineering, and the most solid feeling steering wheel/turning radius response of any SUV I've ever driven, those great Xenon bulbs, and plenty of room for our lifestyle.
Things I dislike about the X5: Electronics in weird places (like under/around the spare tire cover in back cargo area), AWD not= 4WD and it's not bad in the snow, but it's definitely not as capable as my Disco! Cheap dashboard buttons and cupholder spring tensioners (my wife lost 4 dashboard buttons and 2 of the cup spring tensioners so far in the 1st year). Plus, if you plan on owning this (buying instead of leasing), you'd be hard pressed to do ANY maintenance on it - the engine looks like something that would belong on the Battleship Enterprise. Oh, and snooty-tooty dealership people - I always feel out of place when I take her vehicle in for service. (i.e. I don't consider myself one of the 'beautiful people' that you typically see driving beemers).
As for the DII - very commanding view, trucklike ruggedness, over-engineered for complete durability, superior in the snow/mud/offroad conditions, more cargo space, better towing capacity, etc. Also, pretty straightforward to do a lot of your own maintenance on, should you chose to do so after the warranty expires. And the dealership experience in both Detroit and Seattle has been better than any other brand/marque in the world - no snooties there, just plain old good people in both sales and service depts!
So, if you're looking for an SUV that will only go offroad 1-2x a year and has superior road handling qualities, I'd be hard pressed not to recommend the X5.
If you like your SUV to be more SUV and plan on riding trails, towing, being in a lot of mud or snow, need more cargo capacity, and generally like an SUV that behaves more like a truck, I'd be hard pressed not to recommend the DII.
Glad to discuss offline if you'd like more details.
Thx, wasko
I've blown 2 tires in less than a month offroading. The first was totally my fault, hitting a patch of paved road on a dirt road at speed (35mph). Funny thing though is that my buddy has a honking large early 80's oldsmobile and we hit the same slab the next weekend at 50 - NO TIRE DAMAGE on his old boat!
Then this past weekend I'm on a logging road that is very muddy - near the tops of the fender-wells. I'm going through in 4L with a fair amount of speed (7-10mph) to keep forward momentum and I hit (I think) a shard of stone in the muck. Tire goes flat.
I haven't had a chance to put air in this flat and wet it down to see where it is leaking yet, but I didn't see sidewall damage. That would initially seem to indicate that something penetrated the main tire surface.
Has anyone else had any problems like this with the tires being really frail? I'm thinking about replacing the whole lot.
As an FYI, I've only had 1 other flat tire in my life on all the vehicles I've owned before these 2 flats in the past month on the DII. That seems to add insult to injury.
Thx, wasko
Cheers!
Pics of my tires on 4Runner:
http://www.gocrvclub.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=870
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Thanks for the help!
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Now I have a question of my own. I had to give up my DII to my pregnant wife to drive (one of the advantages of getting married was to give up my love of my life to her, talk about sacrifice) and i was following her last night and noticed that the rear of my discovery seemed like it was slightly leaning to the right. It was as if she was a little bit crooked. She only has 12000 miles on her and never had a problem and i don't feel the tilt from the inside but asked several people if they saw what i saw and they sure enough said the same thing that she was tilted. I put her in my garage concrete and measured her from the ground to the top of the bumper on both sides and the left side is 1/2" higher. Does any one know what would cause this? I have been off road but only lightly and not nearly to her limit. Is this a serious problem or a quick fix? If anyone has info i would appreciate it.
thanks.
Do you have experience with this tire, or are you going off of what you've heard? I'm looking to reduce the sidewall surface area if at all possible and want to know if the Yokahamas will be lower profile.
Nanuq, I haven't seen any Nokians available in the 18" size yet - sounds like my kinda tire
Quick update - I pumped the tire full of air today (it's sitting on the back door spare mount) and doused it with water. Sure enough, it IS sidewall (I initially suspected a gash between the treads). If you've got the Goodyears on your rig, go about 1 thumb's length above the 'A' in Goodyear - right where sidewall meets tread. That is where the damage happened. Looks like a pretty small hole too - not the big gash I was suspecting.
I'll call around on the Yokahamas and see if I can get a better price. If I like them, I'll put one on the spare, then once I blow another Goodyear (at this point, I'm convinced that it's just a matter of time), I'll replace tires in pairs until I'm running on 4 new tires and a new spare.
Thanks all for the suggestions - I fully intend to be heading into more mud and mountains in the future and may as well get it right with a better set of rubbers
Thx, wasko
I just started my surgical residency, and my parents "gave me $22,500 to go buy a car with". After researching as best as I could, I chose a 2000 Disco with about 40k miles. I have already purchased the vehicle, but I still have several issues that are giving me ulcers...
1) I hear horrible stories about build quality - was this addressed when the Series II was "redesigned" by BMW? ie, oil leaks you just have to "live with"? any other issues you guys know about - things consistently falling apart after so many years or miles?
2) Tincup47 or anyone else have the elusive code to make sense of the VIN as related to option packages?
3) Perform routine checks/repairs at the dealer only or do you guys use other mechanics?
4) How important is fitting the vehicle with brush bars, underside plates, etc when you take her off-road? It's not like there are any mountains near Kansas City, but the Ozarks have a few spots that would make for fun off-roading.
5) I know BMW and Porsche have "Clubs" - how about Rover owners? esp. in the KC area?
Thanks!
--Pepsi
I do know the Pirelli ST comes in a direct fit for the 16" & 18" discovery rims. I have known of someone with a good experience wih this tire. Much improved (ride & handling) over the stock Goodyears and cheaper than the Michelins.
I can't seem to post messages. Hope this goes through. Tincup, can you get the specific info on this VIN# (ie, options) - SALTY1543YA258440. Thanks.
--Pepsi
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I believe the re-sale problem was initially due to incentives Ford put on these right after they acquired Rover. They have gone away somewhat, but you notice the other higher end vehicles with better re-sale don't have 3.9 apr. Also there is an agressive wholesaler in the Atlanta area who it appears every dealer seems to call when you try to trade a Rover. People are apparently stupid enough to take these prices, which in return bring down the average. Without a doubt the best deal is always on a 2 year-old Rover.
Speaking with dad during our 1200 mile round trip to Michigan this weekend in the Rover, he stated Tire Rack consistently has the best deals on tires. He is getting 60K on tires and brakes. Windshields tend to make it about 50K before they swallow a rock.
It depends on the dealer unfortunately.
A couple days later they had my truck ready, and I brought back the loaner... no charge. My truck was perfect, and they'd washed it and detailed the interior.
Over the next 2 years I fought a couple of bad problems with them, and those guys went the distance with me. Granted the service manager developed a tic whenever he saw me coming, but I used my warranty till it BLED. They fixed everything I found wrong, and added a lot of the TSB items gratis... probably to prevent me coming back! (grin).
Every time I went back to pick up my Disco I'd bring them loaves of homebaked bread or cinnamon rolls, even a couple 6packs of brown ale. We got my last fault corrected two days after my warranty expired, and this Rover has now been the most error-free and reliable vehicle I have ever owned... including 13 Hondas.
HATS OFF to the gentlemen at Land Rover Anchorage! Wallace, Kent and Lyle... this one's for you. *pop* fsssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
I know you were responding to Willow with your suggestions for Disco names but you were able to fill the void that I have concerning a name for my white '01 DII which I've now owned for 7 mos... "Panik" (Daughter) is great!!! Since I don't have a daughter (two boys instead - don't want to roll those dice any more) but have always wanted one "Panik" has to be my surrogate daughter. I was torn between "Qanikcaq" (snow) but "Panik" also serves as a reminder of my reaction to the three instances of undeserved damage (parking lots) that she has sustained.
I call my daughter "Kannik" and she loves it.
Una inuuq aaniqtuq! -Bob
Is ACE worth the effort,and also does it cause excess tire-wear? Is SLS worth it, in a non-7 set-up? I have found a dealer that will discount the HSE set-up down to almost what the other dealer was going to charge me for the SE, so I think I will get SLS by default. Is the audio-upgrade worth-it as well. Any feedback would be great, sorry for the long post.
You folks are great, this is the best board going!!
This past weekend I had a chance to test drive the new 03 Discovery. It was without question, the most impressive test drive I've ever done! I am very interested in purchasing a SE or HSE. My concern is with reliability and safety. So I'd like to put out several questions.
1) Those of you who have owned previous versions, from what I have seen on this board, do indeed have reliability issues. I'd like to hear from you, those that have had good experiences and those that have had bad experiences. Do the folks that post the bad or good things represent the "mainstream" of Discovery owners?
2) Safety. Does anyone have a good feel for why the 03 did not include side and head air bags? When I spoke to the sales person, the response I got, was Land Rover did not feel they were necessary, due to the construction of the "passenger cage". Which to be sounds like a BS line.
Before spending over 40K for a SUV I want to be sure of what I'm getting, and my expectation is that reliability and safety are there!
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Generally, those with complaint about any vehicle tend to be more vocal about their misfortune than satisfied customers are about their good fortune.
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I personally rear-ended a new 3 series with the 96 when it was new and it did about $7000 to the BMW and it bent the brush bar on the Rover almost back to the hood and took out a headlight. We tied the Rover down on a frame machine and it took the better part of 5 tons of power to pull the bar out to where it belonged. We then replaced the headlight and it was as good as new!
These things are way over-engineered and they have the history to prove it. Climb under a Rover then climb under a Sequioa. There is no comparison. If you compare a 95 to an 02 or 03 these Rovers have evolved light years in creature comfort.
The problem with the 03 is they already have 4.9% on them, which is horrible one month into the new model on a low volume vehicle. Resale will stink, so find a slightly used one in 6 months. Also, just as when they put Bosch electronics in the 4.6's years ago(Bosch equipped are much more desired), this 4.6 motor change just hurt the resale of the 4.0 series II's. If you don't believe me just wait 3-6 months. Then again, resale stinks on everything right now especially if 0% is available on a new model.
Later the same winter, I was rear-ended at a stop light by a lady in a Camry. I watched her slide right into me, cringing as she came. After the hit, I went back and she was very apologetic... and her car was WASTED. Parts all over the road. Again, it took a tiny chip of paint off my stock bumper. It didn't even crack the layers of dirt beneath, on the bumper supports.
While my truck was at the dealer, I got to drive a new '03 DII SE for 4 days - what a dramatic improvement in ride, noise, handling, steering, braking, power, speed, etc. over the earlier models!! Hard to believe it's the same vehicle. Hope you all have a pleasant experience just like me !!
I have found the manual provided by Land Rover to be somewhat inadequate as compared to the actual manual that the Harman Kardon system comes with were you to buy it from a local retailer. Also, there is supposed to be a "storage box" for the detachable faceplate that Land Rover did not supply and states that they do not supply.
All in all, this is a complex system that has been trivially documented by Land Rover and the personell at the dealership are not very familiar with it as it is a new option in the vehicles this year.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
I am infatuated with the Disco, and now need to decide which to buy. I'd like to be able to spend under $35K for an SE (can't get enough of the dual sunroofs), but don't know if thats possible. Should I consider getting and S and having a contractor install the sunroofs for less than the factory price tag of $1500? Or should I just look into a used 2000-02 with the sunroofs already installed (which would put my price tag under the $35K mark)?
I really love the new look for the 2003, and know that I would kick myself a year later for not sucking it up and spending the extra cash.
I decided to just go ahead and buy a new one for a couple of reasons. First, I have not personally owned a new vehicle in over 10 years. While there are savings to be had in buying used, I just felt (and always have) that buying new ensures that I know how the vehicle has been broken in, maintained, serviced, and I am aware of any accidents big or small. To me that has always been worth the extra $$.
Second, as far as debating a 2000-2002 model year Disco, the 03's have the new engine, brakes, noise dampening, and suspension. So for me, these are things I was interested in seeing improved for the new year and they were delivered.
Of course, these were my arguements in the debate and everyone is different, also finances are different too for everyone. Guess all you can do is spend what you are comfortable with.
I ended up with a 2003 Discovery HSE and I couldn't be happier!
Good luck with your decision.