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Steve, Host
I own a 2000 disc II- Every once in a while the M & S mode lights will start flashing simultaneously.-when that happens the truck becomes very sluggish at takeoffs as if it's stuck in third gear. So far my dealer has misdiagnosed it by replacing the XYZ switch--no cure. I've read a couple of places where someone replaced the transmission control module only to have the flash again after 1000 miles.
By the way, is the TCU the same as the control module?
just curious if anyone has experienced this problem--All inputs would be helpful.
thanks
Just giving you my experience.
Charlie
Thanks for the input--I'll check for any loose wires.
Thanks again Josh
Josh
When you have it replaced they'll likely tell you to replace the aft muffler too, since "it's all full of broken plates". Tell them to just cut that piece out and use a straight section of tubing. It'll sound nice when they're done.
#1-Disconnect battery-clean heads- compter was reset.
#2-clean fuse box and replace one blown fuse(rear defroster).
Not only are the lights gone but the truck's acceleration is no longer sluggish--
By the way I did get a $400 refund from the Dealer and thank them for nothing.
Thanks again Josh and charlie2k2 for your inputs.
Incidentally, for the first time in the Sunday Boston Globe, new 2004 Disco's are now under 30K. Unless you are one of those who likes to buy high and sell low, this might be a good time to get a Disco II and let the LR3 sort out any launch problems.
Josh
I ran the VIN's through Carfax and they both come back very clean!
Being a long time lurker here in the Forum, I know the some of you have access to more of their history. I sure would appreciate any further info that you guys can give me on these two Discos! Thank you!!!
VIN SALTY12471A705118
VIN SALTY12401A293432
Look forward to hearing from you!
Thanks again!
Has anyone installed GPS and/or DVD player (non-factory) on Disco/Disco II? If so, which ones are good?
Thanks.
Land Rover Models:
Land Rover Discovery I Years:1994-1997
Range Rover Classic Years:1993-1995
Number Potentially Involved: 45,267
Dates of Manufacture: December 1993–November 1996
Defect: On certain sport utility vehicles, the plastic fuel tanks can develop stress cracks. Fuel tank cracks can result in fuel leakage from the underside of the vehicle when filling the tank, particularly if overfilling is attempted. Fuel leakage in the presence of an ignition source could result in a fire.
Remedy: Dealers will replace the fuel tank. The manufacturer has reported that owner notification is expected to begin during October 2004. Owners may contact Land Rover at 1-866-352-4827.
I have called several dealers and mechanics regarding this issue, and ALL say do not authorize any work until this is worked out.
Any adivse you can give would be greatly appreiciated!
Thanks-in-advance,
Jeff Tabar
All I can advise is to clean the fuse block thoroughly. I have had similar lights flash. After cleaning the fuses, they haven't returned. This was well over 1500 miles ago. At the least bit, you've ruled out a possible problem. My fuse block was absolutely filthy; it needed a good cleansing! I used electronic contact cleaner for great results.(I had it in hand) Others have simply used a pencil eraser for the same results.
Bottom line: clean the fuse block.
I will mention to the dealer or try myself the fuse box cleaning. Big picture: this seems to be a more commmon problem then I thought, our research on sites let this has revealed many vehicle owner with a similar problem, but no clear solution. Boy, the story contimues......any other stories/advise from others would be greatly appreciated!
JT
Land Rover
Models: Land Rover Discovery II Years: 1999-2004
Number Potentially Involved: 99,657
Dates of Manufacture: May 1998 – December 2003
Defect: On certain sport utility vehicles, the anti-lock braking system (ABS) modulator valve cover retaining bolts can crack due to stresses transmitted by the flexing valve covers. This can produce an unexpected increase in stopping distance, with the potential for total loss of service braking function, which could result in a crash.
Remedy: Dealers will strengthen the ABS modulator assembly valve covers and replace the retaining bolts. The manufacturer has not yet provided NHTSA with an owner notification schedule for this campaign. Owners may contact Land Rover at 1-800-637-6837.
[NHTSA Recall No. 04V005/Land Rover Recall No. B148]
Give 'em another try... ask a different person to look it up for you?
Just my $.02
I actually had this problem last week. I took out all the fuses under the hood to clean them, and when I got back in my truck, all I got when I turned on the radio was the word CODE. I punched in the code that came with my 96 disco and it didn't work. Then I tried it again. The word code just blinked. SO I thought "Here's something, so I entered it again!!! Then I found out that if you enter the wrong code 3 times in a row it locks up the radio, and you have to leave the radio on, with the word CODE on, and the key in the ignition in ACC for at least one hour for the radio to decide it isn't stolen and resets itself. (There is no way around this). So then I called my LR service department, and gave them my VIN. Sure enough, the code that I had, matched the code the service department got when they entered my VIN into their system. So I had to take my truck to them (because I don't have the special tool they need to get the radio out) so they could get the serial # off the radio itself and call the manufacturer to get the code. Sure enough the code they got from the manufacturer was different, and it was also correct. They had several theories behind this. 1) the original radio broke, and the previous owner had it replaced by the dealer, who forgot to enter it into the computer, so the changed code never got entered into the system. 2) The serial # is one number off when it was entered into the system so the code I have is for a radio in someone elses Rover. or 3) The original radio broke, and the previous owner purchased an other from a parts house like Atlantic-British, or Roverconnection, and replaced it himself, but neglected to include the new radio code cards when he sold the vehicle. Either way, you will probably have to go to LR and get the codes. Some dealers, if they don't know you, will require physical presence because they have to prove you are, in fact, the owner of the vehicle before they will give you the codes.
Anyway, after a couple of weeks my tires were installed I wanted to visually check my brakes, but the oem tool that I have used for the past 3 years did not fit the caps to the lug nuts? All the caps seemed to be too large for the tool (with the exception of the spare lug nuts). The tool fits perfectly on the few unused spare lug nuts I have stored in my garage, but will not budge on the lug nuts I have on my wheels?? I have looked very closely and compared the lug nuts and they seem to be identical. I drove back to the tire dealer and the technician said he'd never seen anything like it and I asked him if they could have accidentally used another set of lug nuts when my tires were replaced, but he commented that they have to use a special adapter specifically for Land Rover and Land Rover lug nuts are unique to Land Rover.
I'm kind of at a loss and can't figure out why the tool I have used since '01 to rotate and replace my brakes no longer fits the lug nuts??
The only thing I can conclude is that the tire dealer did not use the appropriate adapter to uninstall/install my wheels and damaged the caps to the lug nuts, hence preventing the use of the tool that was included with the vehicle...
Does anyone have any similiar experiences, suggestions or advice? I wanted to post this before I called Land Rover...
Odiopus
Are you CERTAIN you got your original wheels back? Mine is a '96 and my wheels are distinct to that model year.
If your tool fits the lugs you have stored in the garage and your spare, and yet not the lugs on your truck, then they were swapped inadvertently. Land Rovers are not as uncommon as they once were, and it may be there was another one in the shop at the same time. Perhaps someone got your wheels and lugs and you got his?
Something similar happened to me, I had my truck in for work and shortly after I noticed my wheel hub center caps (plastic caps 3" across) were falling out. I went back and sure enough, I had a set from another year. They gave me back my '96 caps and now they stay put.
Thanks for the response...
Odiopus
Burosky is right, very few people sign on here just to say how wonderful their truck has been this month! Compare the postings here with other topics and you'll see they are typically simple problems and inexpensive to fix. For example, are there ANY posts here about failed engine blocks or head gaskets ot blown transmissions or transfer cases? Nothing about failed differentials or half shafts or CV joints or suspension or anything like that. Nothing at all. That's why I bought a Rover... to me it's the "hard parts" that matter and they're tough as nails.
Just for an eye opener, read the other threads about Explorers or Expeditions or 4Runners or etc. and see what those owners have to say. Yikes!
I can't speak for the older Discos, but I can for the 2003. Purchased mine in Jan., 2003. Now have almost 19,000 miles on it. Absolutely nothing has gone wrong with it other than the recall for the brake modulator. Took that in to be fixed last Thursday and it was ready almost before I had finished my free cup of coffee and looked at the LR3 brochure that they had. On top of that they washed it and cleaned the inside.
Trips have included (from Denver), the East Coast, Florida and Montana/Washington/Oregon. I have not treated it lightly, as we have taken it up over some of the delightful trails in the mountains west of Denver. Were it not for the gas mileage differential, I think we'd prefer to drive it over our Germanic propeller insignia 5 series station wagon, which, in itself, is a wonderful over the road vehicle.
Our dealer is giving awesome discounts on new 2004 models, so perhaps a new one is a better choice.
Light Cahill
That puts it in a whole new class. HSE starts at 57K (compared to 41K last year).
Based on that, getting a great deal on an 04 now, or better yet, when they want to get them off the lots in a few months, might be the way to go.
See my post on the 2005 Discovery forum
jonty12 "2005 Discovery" Jun 23, 2004 12:01pm
1. Gas tank lind opens by itself whenever I shut off the engine.
2. Rear door hinges had to be replaced at 22K miles.
3. Steering box went around the same time.
4. ABS recall.
5. Handles like a pickup truck from 30 years ago.
6. The $1000 Windshield can not be replaced by anyone other than the dealer.
7. Impossible to put kids in the back seat because the rear doors are too damn narrow and don't open wide enough!
8. The roof rack is useless.
9. 12 miles/gal! 12! Even the arabs stopped driving these gas guzzlers. Dodge Viper gives you about 15 - while producing 500 hp!
10. Slow. Feel like an idiot when over-accelerated by a car that costs half of what I paid.
11. Resale value? What resale value?
All of this (and more) caused me to form the following opinion:
LR produces cars of dubious quality. They are overpriced, gas-gussling, bad-handling, slow-accelerating vehicles that, unless the image is what you're after, don't belong in your driveway.
Could you get 18" wheels without ACE?
Thanks for any insight
If judging by my dealers inventory things should get materially better. I have never seen so many new trucks on the lot.
thanks
mike
On your lease, even though Land Rover is willing to pay off your last six months, you can still get out of your disco now, and into a new one. Ask the dealer to factor in the remaining five payments on your current Disco and see if there is any owner loyalty available. It would make sense to turn it in now because there is no reason to pay those extra five months on a car that you are leasing. The '04 Disco's are great trucks, especially with the returning of cent. diff. lock. I have an '03 and I have taken it off-road at least a dozen times with the local owner's club, I love it! The free maintenance is great, I haven't paid a dime since I bought the car (we don't receive demos, so we have to buy our cars, unfortunately.) An '04 is the way to go, such a great value.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask.
lrover1
tidester, host