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Keeping my fingers crossed that my #3 a/c compressor doesn't "expire" before I sell or trade my CR-V,
KP
Our air just went out in our 2002 CRV with 75000 miles on it, you think Honda will fix this thing for us, I understand the cost of a new compressor is out of this world?
Other than the air conditioning and having a strange noise coming from the rear of the car when we turn around in a parking lot its been ok. It has the AWDrive on it.
Thanks James Gambrell
Does anybody that actually received assistance from Honda actually have a name or extension of somebody that could help me? My representative seemed to only know the word, "no".
But if you'll mark your email public in your profile, other members will be able to reach you off the forum. Thanks.
CRV 2003 with about 41K on it.
Looks like a defect considering amount of posts.
Let's see if Honda takes the ball on this one.
Will report back, meanwhile will use wife' car.
Yozz25, roger and out
Good luck! :shades:
need a doctor to treat me. Should I get the same care with no out of pocket expense as the person who elected to take responsibility and protect himself! That's what this world have come to. I want it all but I don't want to pay for it. I say, get over it, stop your whinning and pay for the repair from a reputable repair shop or dealer with the best warranty for their repairs. All vehicles have problems and when the warranty has expired you are own your own! Make the decision up front to protect your investment for as long as you are able. Some of us have paid health insurance for years and never used it. How many have purchased a term life insurance policy and are still here reading this post. Well, that's life! If the manufacturer decides to 'Goodwill' anything, be grateful and pay your share. They don't have to do anything. Happy motoring!
Stinger54
Today called Honda Corporate.
They told me this is a known problem.
They said first go to dealer for diagnosis in addition to telling me that low mileage of 41K is in my favor. 2003 CRV.
They said if not satisfied with dealer offer, to call them back and see what they can do.
Sounds like we are on the right track.
So will call dealer for Appt.
Will report back
Yozz25 R and O
I think ALL of us are quite willing to pay for a repair that is justified. When I first found out about my compressor (before I found this forum), I was bummed that I was facing a $1,200.00 repair BUT I was preparing to pay for it. I googled "Honda 2004 a/c compressors" to find out how much they cost when low and behold, I stumbled across this forum. I am not a "whiner" and would have never thought to call Honda. Luckily, I did stumble across the forum and I only had to pay $250 of that cost. For those of us who are struggling in this recession, this price difference is a big deal.
After reading over 850 posts of people who ALL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THEIR AIR COMPRESSOR, I decided that I should try to get some compensation as well. Keep in mind that Honda would not be giving out this "Goodwill Assistance" if they didn't see a common problem and defect in their compressors. Also, this forum would not exist.
So please, save your posts for another forum. Perhaps a forum in which people are on the other side of this fight. All of us in this forum are on the same page and are here to help each other out. Do you even own a CR-V???
I can see why Honda's isn't issuing a recall. And it's "goodwill" policy of compensating based on mileage, and probably other factors, makes sense. What doesn't is that uninformed customers just pay the bill. They get no compensation, while others, like those who discover this forum, are compensated for a system that Honda acknowledges isn't performing to Honda standards. Honda's policy doesn't look fair to me. All owners should be treated the same way.
But if one ever needs an example of the squeaky wheel gets the grease, this is it.
So, if you want to be part of their ratings, you have to subscribe...
It's a good magazine, so it isn't like you don't get anything for your money..
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kyfdx
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If only several hundred people are complaining on this forum, then it must be much more widespread. The bottom line is a faulty compressor, it happens, and they should work out a deal with dealer to assist anyone who comes in with this problem.
If enough letters get sent, with cc's to the news/papers/Tv stations, they may very well do damage control.
Have to approach this systematically with the hope that it is made public, something Honda dreads. They have a reputation to keep
yozz25
Or they may get mad and decide that it is a legal liability to pay any money... and stop providing "good will" support.
Some people consider payment to be an admission of liability. It isn't, but Honda corporate may decide that too many people think it is.
Why don't you google USPS and type in "postal"? :confuse:
Dealer refused to relinquish compressor.
Honda "assisted" with 50% ( unsatisfactory to me ).
Therefore the component is "Honda's property" which they claim will have an analysis,but that I won't be able to have a copy of the result.
To say I strongly disagree with your position is being polite.
I believe this issue would provide fodder also on the Freakonomics blog @ NYTimes.
Let the economists sort through the issue on a number of fronts.
Is there any representation of gender bias? I wonder how WOW.com & Jezebel would react.
Isn't it fathomable to then get it to Digg and Drudge?
Who might mine the social networking sites for reports as well; I'm not a participant.
Let Honda "restore good faith".
Most of the time, by approaching a problem systematically, with many people writing in a form letter, fear takes hold in the minds of the Honda's of the world, and they do what they gotta do to "put the fire out"
It would be good if someone designs a small form letter to be copied and pasted and we can all write in, if it is not done, then I will do it in a few days
yozz :shades:
refer to my post #826 for a beginning.
I believe this issue would provide fodder also on the Freakonomics blog @ NYTimes.
Let the economists sort through the issue on a number of fronts.
Is there any representation of gender bias? I wonder how WOW.com & Jezebel would react.
Isn't it fathomable to then get it to Digg and Drudge?
Who might mine the social networking sites for reports as well; I'm not a participant.
Let Honda "restore good faith".
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stevedebi: I propose that a case could be made that it would be less expensive for Honda to issue some type of renumeration program, if not a total recall, than to risk the outcome of reports from "slow news days" of every "investigative (ahem) reporter" in every little 'burb.
Geez it doesn't take much to see this problem exists in Canada, Australia, and parts of Europe.
Does anyone feel that this is a reasonable offer? I am really upset with Honda because I have been going to the Honda dealership for the last 6 years and I feel that they should have at least warned me about this known issue.
I'm thinking about calling Honda Corporate but don't know if it would do me any good.
Honda to rectify a situation that can ruin their reputation probably supplies the parts free to the dealer, after getting a break from the supplier who made the faulty compressor, and then may reimburse the dealer a fraction of what you would pay retail.
So something that would retail for 1200 bucks to repair may actually set back Honda perhaps a few hundred bucks at best. It's the dealer who is probably trying to suck as much out of you as they can, as it is their choice. But a bit of arm twisting from Honda, about keeping the reputation that sells the car may be at work here.
Whatever the case, anything is negotiable..
yozz :shades:
yozz
I was getting ready to trade when new models came out. They now offer me $6,000 for my car in trade. I'm not happy at all. Have been shopping dealerships with an offer that they can't possibly accept at this point. Have also put my car on Craig's list and plan to put a sign on it and park it in front yard. It's a fabulous car except for the air and if someone else wants to fix it I think they can shop around and fix it for a WHOLE LOT less. Mine did not make any loud noise when it went out. This time I was living in fantasyland and thought maybe it just needed freon. Oh, how I wish. This was my sixth Honda and the lady in service told me the problem is with the 2002 and 2003 models when I mentioned to her I was ready to trade for a new CR-V before this happened and that now they couldn't give me one. When they tell me that, you can bet I'm feel very, very upset that my car is now a trade that will go straight to the auction and worthless.
Brian at Honda America would only agree to pay for parts. Brian was unable to explain how this amount was arrived at.
I asked for and recieved the old compressor and condenser. As far as I can tell they replaced the compressor with the same brand as the original.
Thanks to all who have posted!
Said compressor was shot, showed me an invoice for $3400, but said dealer will fix as a courtesy. I asked "what does that mean" They said for free, works for me.
They took me home, just waiting for call when it is ready.
2003 CRV had 41K on it.
So I guess they did the right thing here.
Yozz
Geez it doesn't take much to see this problem exists in Canada, Australia, and parts of Europe. "
I haven't heard of the European CR-V having problems. They use a different engine over there, I think...
But in any case Honda is a Japanese origin company. They have very strict social rules over there, and pushing a company is not in those rule sets. Protocol is important, and I think that those who approach Honda corporate with the right attitude will do better. Those who go in with a chip on their shoulder will have a tougher time. I think this is true with all companies, but especially with Japanese originated companies.
Not that I don't understand the frustration, just making a comment...
Way to go
Yozz :P
stevedebi: It's possible that once again we are viewing this situation from different aspects and opinions.
The traditional corporate culture you describe has been dissipating for quite some time. Theory "Z" is also a thing of the past. While there still remains some vestiges of monopoly company interplay, by and large it's reported that economic globalization has taken the front seat to shaping "Protocol" as you've referred.
I may have been misunderstood or unclear in what I advocate.
I believe the best way to precede is with respect, clarity and sound reasoning.
I expect the same in return.
When this format fails however and loyal customers are being treated with such documented blatant, discrimination it then becomes necessary that one meet the adversarial position with something better than compliance.
It should not be necessary for customers seeking equal treatment to have to endure
the anxiety of arguing with a "case manager" for over an hour. The uneven tactics reported here are not conducive to remedying the trouble endured due to failing components that don't measure up to Honda's standards.
My profile contains the addy.
I am not soliciting some massive influx of emails.
My opinions and presentation has and will continue to be posted on this forum.
I believe 99.99% of the discussion should take place on this forum.
I may request from some of you "verification" of your statements.
It would be better to have the facts when Honda's case "managers" assert that research on the internet is unreliable.
Thanks to all for responses and for the collective efforts of the members.
For those of you also seeking solutions, here's a Wikipedia link that gives a quick summary of the book "How to Solve It".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Solve_It
"7 Things You Should Never Say To a Customer Service Rep . . ."
http://consumerist.com/5035392/7-things-you-should-never-say-to-a-customer-servi- ce-rep-and-7-things-you-should
I've just posted a summary of the situation to The Consumerist, as a response to the article mentioned above.
What action can we count some others of you to begin today?
Can we get the word out in a responsible manner?
upsethondacustomers@charter.net
Please include in the subject line "Honda A/C issues" or your email will be deleted as spam. Thanks and looking forward to getting all the people who want to join in on the band wagon. I will keep you posted and hopefully wish me luck where I can get an attorney soon to begin this battle.
Thanks!
Maria
P.S. And yes it is an old car but if Honda KNOWS about a defective part and opts to stay quiet and see how far they can get... then they are NOT as good a company as we all thought it was.