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On the highway my Versa was getting 8.6 miles per dollar of fuel using non-blend. With the great savior ethanol that dropped to 7.8 mpd
MPD is a great way to make the kids aware of the fact that drivng the car is NOT free :P
Still looking for REAL gas for my cars.
For most people, that is less than one mile per gallon...
Of course, the argument could be made that the mixture of ethanol/gasoline creates a fuel that is less than the sum of its parts.. Whether that is valid or not, I have no idea, but it doesn't seem likely. "
I my experience, the E10 sum is far less than its parts. My 330i takes a hit greater than 5% while my 300C Hemi loses almost 10% (based on entire tanks of gas traveling at constant speed along I-95). It's hard to tell, but I think the ethanol prevents the 300C from switching to 4 cylinders around 70 mph. The whole state of Florida is switching to E10 and I can no longer find real gas in my county. I'd rather they just left the ethanol out of the gas and charged 10% more.
Note that E10 can also destroy the fuel lines in 2-cycle yard equipment. I have had to replace the fuel lines and choke bulbs in two Ryobi line trimmers. Even worse, E10 can destroy built-in fuel tanks of older boats.
I have also heard rumors that modern 2-cycle boat motors do not like E10, and can be damaged if the E10 sits around long enough to separate out the ethanol (and sludge). Does anyone know if there is a stabilizer designed for E10?
In many parts of the country it costs more for E10. In CA they have to truck that nasty stuff in and mix it. That makes the cost of the ethanol laced gas higher. The only people making out on ethanol is the State and Federal government with more taxes collected and the big agriculture companies. That is exactly what it was meant to do. I say ban ethanol as we did MTBE. I lose at least 10% on my vehicles. The longer they are parked the lower the mileage.
I'm guessing my comment section with pick up a few entires on today's entry...
Tell Us What You Really Think Ted
Let's say it was a change from the liberal-sponsored corn-belt liquid E-10 that leaves my 260HP-SC V-6 hungry and suffers a 15% decrease in the MPG too boot!!
Mileage with pure gas will suffer because I like to hear the supercharger whine and spool up..That's the America I know and love!!!!
At 74 years young I am entrenched somewhat in the past life style and if you young ones like to jaw-bone over the green aspects of saving the planet---help yourself...Buy hybrids and feel good, save animals and feel better, but I will continue to seek out ways to maintain the good old life style..
I really can't see, feel, or hear my CARBON footprint...Love CLIMATE Change, adore Global warming, and looking forward to Global cooling...
Owned 43 cars over the years and the only four-bangers were two Porsches in Germany..The autobahn in the late 50s was a pedal to metal road with the only problem being the 58 & 59 Porsches were maxed out in the 110/115 range, however you were able to enjoy the liter bottle of suds at those leisure speeds..
My first experience with ethanol was around 2001 in the small town of St. Clair, Mich where I played alot of golf, had a chain of discount gas/party stores with pricing about 5 cents/gal/ less on gas. After many fillups I started questioning the lack of pep and rotten gas mileage---got smart and read the label 10% ethanol.
Ethanol gas doesn't pay any benefits...only pain...
Hurricane Fay petered out to a Tropical storm and Venice, FL was spared w/o any rain and very little wind..BHO could use some help on his presidential bit with a nice hurricane---too bad---the empty suit remains preaching Hope and Change..5,000,000 new green jobs for Detroit.
What's for Good for GM is great for America......Hope you auto buffs driving Asian cars enjoy the coming recession, times are good now, just wait for the dropoff..I am retired living off of investments--no pension--little Social Security pays the villa fees, ins, gas, cigs, and booze..Life is good..I don't depend on the Govt..for my lifestyle..You all may have to look the GOVT for instructions...they sure screwed the economy and your gasoline, and they are working to put you in a golf cart/horse&buggy/or a bicycle..
I am lucky--owning land around Detroit, maybe the 5 million new jobs that BHO talks about comes from cutting grass in the State of Michigan with hand mowers and creating alternate fuels, melt snow in the winter for drought assistance..
Greenies---have a good day with your wind and solar power dreams..Spend the next 50yrs living with hope and change..Soon you will embrace oil,coal, and nuclear energy to relieve the stress of Change and Hope..Maybe in the future you will be able to buy a Polar bear or Caribou at your local pet store...
Ethanol in Fla is not mandated until 2010, maybe 2012..V-power Shell ethanol isn't any better that cut-rate premium..
Now does one really expect our Politicans to tell the truth with the 1-1.5% decrease in gas mileage using E-10????.They would lie if the truth fit better!!!!!
I feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to believe ethanol is an improvement..The runoff of chemicals used to enhance the corn production into the Gulf of Mexico will show up in soon and pollute the Gulf..The liberals will hold investigations and shift the blame to big business...
I love the 33mpg Toyota Avalon,,I would have it bronzed...
My car is a lowly 260hp S/C Pontiac GPGT, 2006 vintage..so to be traded on another polluter/big carbon footprint--09 Mustang Bullitt..
Real gas is sold in Fla due to high-percentage of vintage cars that are not able to chug along on ethanol..plus the marine industry which is another big problem for the ethanol..But then again the mechanics will love the extra business of screwed up motors..Maybe BHO was referring to increased employment in the green sector due to engine failures..I am sure someone is working on a kit to upgrade a Ford flathead V-8 to run on E-85!!!!! Green Jobs..
Monday could be the last day for the Pontiac---dealer appt. on the 09 Bullitt..sometime during the day..maybe I could rent the Bullitt for a couple weeks??? really all I need..Long term it could be a tiring car..
It states the recommended oil change intervals to be 7,500 miles or six months “unless” you operate under the special operating conditions and then its 5,000 miles, 6 months or 200 engine hours.
One of the special operating conditions listed is “Use of E85 fuel 50% of the time or greater (flex fuel vehicles only).
So those who operate Flex Fuel cars and use E85 50% of the time are penalized with more frequent oil changes.
Another reason not to use ethanol.
Prius owners support Japan and it's Asian content..Ain't nothing American in it except the owner--maybe???
Did you Asian car owners realize that 85% of the content going into domestically assembled Hondas and Toyotas is foreign, supplied thru their own manufacturing bases located in small town America?? Spent two years in the early 80s with a Japanese manufacturer located in Battle Creek, Mich, and got to know their business slant......
Oil changes I stick to the 3000 deadline, oil is cheap compared to any mechanic in this day and age...Of the 43 cars owned in my log life, I only destroyed one engine, 48 Chevy, over-revved a bit..Wasn't satisified with 65 in 2nd gear, next car was 50 Ford crestliner V-8 w/overdrive-95 in 2nd gear..
Have a nice one and good luck on your gas search.
Topped off tank with 9.66 gals. of E-10, too lazy to go to my pure gas station for stations in southern Fla will soon be out of gas due to the Hurricane Gustav..Premium E-10 was 3.769...
Has anyone tried a Fuel reformulator called "ETHOS" for the earth---greenie outfit out of British Columbia??? I think AL Gore is a silent partner!!!! They sell windmills, and solar panels..
Love Global Warming!!!!! It brings out the whackos....
The nitrogen problem
I know it can be confusing, but it the guys in the Mideast who wear the other team's jersey and manipulate the American economy and our lives via their control of the price of oil thru the OPEC monopoly. It's the Mideast, (not the Midwest) that has funded the fundamentalist Islamic radicals around the world over the last 25 years attacking our soldiers, embassies and ships. Here's one more memory jogger to help tell the teams apart; it was folks from the Mideast (not the Midwest) who attacked The World Trade Center TWICE, brought us 9/11 and are funding and fighting the other sides of the wars we're fighting, sponsors TERROR world wide and necessitate HOMELAND SECURITY against. You may be sniffing too much 100% gasoline. You better mix it with some fresh air. Unless your desire is to speak Arabic and have your daughters wear full headcover, you should push the automakers and your local mechanic to get our cars running efficiently on Flex Fuel and get off foreign oil..
Henry Ford designed his cars to run on alcohol because there were no gas stations back then, but every farmer had a still. Then along came prohibition and they had to use gasoline in cars.
So if you can get 90% of the cars off the road, corn alcohol might work.
I have NOTHING against the Midwest producing an alternative fuel. Here is the problem. It takes as much or maybe even more fossil fuel to plant, fertilize, grow, harvest and distill corn ethanol. So how does that reduce our dependence on foreign oil? Even the most adamant defenders of corn ethanol admit that it takes the equivalent of 8/10ths of a gallon of fossil fuel to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. Add to that it has a much lower energy content per gallon than gas or diesel. It is nothing but a scam to divert money to the Midwest from the other parts of the country. There is NO proof that it has cut ONE barrel of imported oil. There are much better ways to spend our alternative energy dollars.
It was laid out by Palin in here acceptance speech. She probably knows as much about energy as anyone in Washington DC. Her proposal was to expand Nuclear, solar, wind, natural gas, geothermal, clean coal and further oil exploration.
Those that try to block all of the above are also against ethanol from Corn.
Thanks Christine. :sick:
All diesel is ULSD and as of January 1, 2009 all diesel will be B-5.
It certainly is not out of the realm of possibilities. E10 has caused many problems with pleasure boat fuel systems.
Poor Texans that are only the second largest crude producers in the country. What knowledge have we against our most informed brethren from the NE ? Be not easily deviated from your position. Btw how did wti close? The stars at night, one of 5 states that have no state income tax.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/lifestyle/green/orl-gas2208sep22,0,71805- 11.story
Jeremy Susac, director of Florida's Energy Office, stands behind the state's investment. He thinks the latest science is flawed and that ethanol offers deep cuts in greenhouse-gas emissions. Even if ethanol turns out to be a major polluter, he'd still back it.
This guy doesn't care if it is a big polluter. He probably has a fat cat job promoting ethanol.
And that is WITH all the subsidies. Put a fork in it.
PS
I do hope that the low priced oil will not lull us into thinking we do not need alternatives. Just more research before we throw big money at the solutions.
"What's it going to take? $4 gas? $5 gas? I'll tell you what it's going to take.
It's going to take the refusal on the part of the US electorate to elect politicians who will risk the economic security of this country by continuing to hold up safe US oil extraction and refining from known reserves and/or shale, thus making us continually dependent on our enemies in the Middle East, and the election of politicians who are not in the pockets of the farm subsidy/ethanol wacko crowd. "
Thank You Sir. I am compelled to quote the great Samuel Clemens colloquially known as Mark Twain who stated: Politics, From the Greek word Poly meaning many and from Tics, (mis-spelling intentional ) meaning a small viscious blood sucking insect. In total agreement with your post as well as with my brother in laissez faire, g who has stated in very succinct terms the economic concept of comparative advantage which states that they who can produce a good at least cost should produce it. My apologies in advance to the good lawyers in this forum but I have a feeling you'll agree, regarding our elected officials, ( again transposition intentional), They know not their hole from an [non-permissible content removed] in the ground.
On the other hand, it's good to be ADM. link title . Looks like they have their lobbying work cut out for them.
Silly me. I should see the positive side of that right? :confuse:
If ADM is doing well what happened to VeraSun? Looks like someone took pity on them.
SIOUX FALLS, S.D. » Ethanol producer VeraSun Energy Corp. said Monday it received commitments for up to $215 million in debtor-in-possession financing to pay bills after filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last weekend.
I'm sure it is our tax money that is backing this up. I have no idea what debtor-in -possession means.
I previously reported a 7% gas mileage degradation when using E-10 for my BMW 330i and 10% for my Chrysler 300C Hemi. Since then I’ve acquired a Saturn Astra XE that also loses about 10%. Modern fuel-efficient engines are optimized for pure gasoline, and are more sensitive to bad fuel. Hopefully the ethanol is not causing damage. The ethanol in E-10 is useless, wastes diesel fuel for production and transportation, depletes the Midwest aquifers, destroys older boats and weed whackers, and drives up food prices. Why are the news reporters ignoring this? I’m not a big fan of class-action lawsuits, but something needs to be done about this scam. :mad:
It IS a bit frustrating.
Silly me. I should see the positive side of that right?
Oh, good. Glad to see you understand...
Insult on top of injury - the original mandate for oxygenated fuels resulted from their (limited) ability to reduce tailpipe emissionsm which has been put in doubt by a number of studies. That mandate completely ignored any downside to making the stuff, of course. So it seems to be a lose/lose/lose proposition. :sick:
"If ADM is doing well what happened to VeraSun? Looks like someone took pity on them" PF is correct, Hey, I had a pair of them!
It sucks to be lowly capitalized but it's good to be ADM. $215 m speaks of veritable peanuts and that isn't even a typo at good old ADM. Brazilian sugar makes more sense? Gomer Pyle coloquiallism and lobby on.
Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama plans to support unprofitable U.S. ethanol producers and pursue the same policies that failed George W. Bush.
Obama, the Democratic senator from Illinois, the second- biggest corn-growing state, will maintain Bush's goal requiring fuel producers use at least 36 billion gallons of biofuels in 2022, said Heather Zichal, the campaign's senior energy adviser. The ethanol industry, which loses about 66 cents a gallon at current prices, will receive at least as much support as from the current administration, including tax credits to spur consumption, she said.