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A Disco is very simple to maintain and work on, with a couple caveats. You must buy the factory manuals, and they're over $100 a pop (chassis and mechanical, and electrical). Also you'll need BIG tools for chassis/suspension work. Remember this is an alloy engine so use anti-seize compound on the threads when reassembling and be very careful with torque settings. Gaskets and seals are first to go, and they're messy but very straight-forward work. You'll positively LOVE changing the brake pads, you can do it in 5 minutes with your eyes closed. There are lots of little tricks to learn, and over time you'll pick them up here and from the manuals. Also listen in on:
http://www.wowpages.com/roversnorth/wwwboard/w3bbrr.html
for lots of good advice. Rememer to change all fluids regularly (another great job that's very enjoyable, done about every 15k miles) and be prepared to know your parts man on a first-name basis. He'll most likely be very pleased to meet you and the more you come back with grease under your fingernails, the more likely you'll get back in the shop to SEE how the guys do it.
This won't be like owning an "appliance" vehicle and it will be EXTREMELY frustrating at times but also very enjoyable. It's truly a love/hate thing.
Regards, -Bob
1. Passenger side door does not open from the outside anymore (supposedly fixed while under warranty at the dealership which has conviently run out) Not to mention that people have told me that the door feels like it's about to fall off, but I ignored the warnings because it was my new 'baby' at the time.
2. Makes a 'clunking' sound when I turn the wheel now. I checked the steering fluid, and it's not low. Tired of trying to fix all the problems with this car, gonna trade it in instead.
3. Once in a while, makes this awful exhaust whistling noise when you step on the gas. This too I have brought in before my warranty ran out but was told by the dealship that it is not a defective part, thus, there is nothing they can do about it. (Design flaw?) I should have sold the car at this point, but I was still ga-ga over Land Rover's 4X4 capabilities.
4. Last and most importantly, driving along the freeway or up the hill to get to Tahoe, the car will lose power for a few seconds and then regain power. This first occurred about two months after I bought the car and I quickly brought it in. The dealership said they couldn't recreate the problem, thus, they could not fix it. I'm at this site searching for car info because just this past weekend, the car decided to lose power about 25 times in a row while I was driving home from Tahoe; uphill and downhill, so it wasn't because I was putting too much pressure on the engine or anything like that.
My car now has over 60K miles on it and you may say this has all happened because I did not take care of the car. But on the contrary, the dealership threw in 3 years, 36K miles free maintenance to entice me to buy the car. I brought my car in for every check-up, oil change, and every little thing that I preceived as a potential problem. I even babied the car for the first 5K miles and managed to get 400 miles to the tank out of this gas guzzler driving 55mph everywhere I went. And all these problems I've listed, except the steering noise (which started a month ago), have occurred while under warranty and free maintenance, and were somehow not fixable by Land Rover. I plan on trading in my Discovery rather than selling the car to someone because I cannot in good conscience sell this car to another person just to have it break down on them in a year.
Who knows, maybe I did get the rare lemon of the batch, but that's a lot of problems for this to be an isolated incident.
This is the last time I ever buy a car that is KNOWN to be 'high maintenance'. When you bring in your car and there's 10 other Discoveries waiting to be serviced, makes you wonder what's wrong with all the other ones, huh? Good luck to all present Land Rover owners, and I really hope the new Discoverys aren't pieces of crap after you put some miles on it.
...and what is the 52k service all about.
I'm not concerned about gas mileage as my other car does quite well. Should I buy an off-lease vehicle from the LR dealer or try to
haggle with a private seller? Help.
I had a TON of problems with my '96 and got them all sorted... and have had not ONE problem in 2 years now.
I hope this helps, Good luck!! -Bob
Travelman9, if you're so upset by the apparent lack of engineering, why are you here reading about Rovers? If it's to convince people of poor quality, then specifics are called for. If you had one and hated it and sold it, then I understand. It really is a love/hate thing.
Now, please provide examples of their poor engineering? Please distinguish between engineering and assembly in your reply.
Regards, -Bob
Run...run....run....away
In for brakes 4 times
Springs 3 times
Rear door won't open
windshield molding came loose
fog light full of water
brake light came loose
problem with radio
driver's seat "squeaks" like crazy
And the worst part??? The service department thinks that I'm the one with the problem. The guy in charge told me (and I quote): "Well, you knew you were buying a British car. What did you expect?". I was floored. No wonder the Brits lost an empire -- their transportation kept breaking down! And to make matters worse, I still love the truck! I guess it really is a love / hate thing with Rovers.
smkm: please describe the bottom end of this engine, vs. its original design in the 60s. What has remained the same? Specifics please.
These are hand-built trucks and if you get a Monday morning vehicle, especially after a long weekend of football and pints, then you're toast. Just keep using that warranty till it's right, then enjoy the truck.
I bought mine with one year, 12k miles and 2 years of warranty on the clock. Now it's flawless. It hurt to get here, but it was worth it. It really is a love/hate thing.
Wasko... tell our friend about YOUR troubles... and was it worth it to you??
Best regards, -Bob
Then the manufacturing rights were sold to Rover Motor Co. in 1967. Rover has continued to use this motor...except for boring it out (overheating risks has increased because of it) and have updated it to fuel injection.
This engine, because of its elderly design it very unefficient and has been "bandaded" to remain in service. To meet emissions they has made adjustments to the engine computer to allow the engine to run hotter...thusly causing additional problems with overheating. Becuase of the elderly design...it is very typicle to see the tappets and camshafts to start showing significant wear at 60,000 miles. Lost of power and efficency will prevail. The already pure gas mileage will decrease even further.
Timing Gear chain will typically starts stretching at @30,000 miles....this will obviously cause many problems. Rover has not changed this chain design in over 30 years of service.
All pre-97 V8 have a 14 bolt head. This will eventually lead to the now legendary head problem. It took Rover 25 years to address this problem...somewhat. The have revised the head design but not the gasket material itself. The typical engine oil today with its detergents....eat the hell out of the gaskets.
I have to admit I do like the way they look and the way they drive (offroad) but to me they have to be babied to much (to survive the long haul) for a SUV. Now that Ford has purchased Rover...they need to put and engine/transmission combo that truly take this vehicle to the next step as far reliablity.
Just some thoughts....
I have a friend who at last count had 644,000 miles on his '96 Disco. Yes he is a mechanic but he hasn't flat-spotted a cam or lost a head gasket. Of course with the frequent oil and lubes he's put into the truck as preventive maintenance... he could have bought a dinghy 4WD as a daily driver.
Just thoughts... Regards, -Bob
because I bought a maintenance nightmare.
I just can't get passionate about suv's beyond the Disco. I'd like to get five years of light driving out of it. Gas mileage is not a concern
being that this is my second car and it won't
get driven everyday. I need advice from anyone
with experience owning a '97. Most of you posting seem to know an awful lot about these vehicles. Can Somebody help? It sounds like I'm setting myself up to fall.
Has anybody posting here had a really good
experience owning a Disco?...and at what
milestones is the timing chain supposed to be replaced?
ppryor, you're right... most complaints are due to the dealer.
smkm, talk to Mike Green at West Coast British.
Regards to all, -Bob
You also make a good point....these trucks are nothing "magical". I just think you need to pay closer attention to these trucks than most....I think the average consumer does not due this.
If I was not a heavy commuter I might consider one....with gas mileage and maintainance....it doesn't seem to be a wise choice.
Thanks.....Sean (smkm)
Good luck! -Bob
My dealer here charges around $65 to $70/hr for labor, figure a couple hours to put on running boards unless there's drilling to do or something nasty like that. It should be a bolt-on thing.
Good luck! You'll also want to ask exactly how much warranty (time and miles) is left on the '97? It took 2 years to sort my '96 out, and that ended 8 days after my thoroughly used warranty expired. -Bob
Pity. Although I would not purchase a Discovery due to its build quality (I'm currently in the market for a 4runner), I have always admired Land Rover vehicles for their off-road prowess and unique design. I fell in love with the look of the Discovery when I studied abroad in England 8 years ago. It was a smart move on Rover's part to start bringing them into the states a few years back.
I guess Ford is going to do the same thing they did to the new "jaguar." Take a Ford corporate platform, add a Ford transmission and a Duratec V-6 engine out of the Taurus, wrap it with an evocative "jaguar" shape, and fill the rest of the interior with various bits from the Ford corporate parts bin.
This will certainly save alot of money for Ford and give them a return on their investment that poor, hapless BMW never got. However, this absolutely destroys the integrity of Land Rover and their products. Unlike Jaguars, which by the 1980's were pretty mediocre vehicles to drive and were getting by solely on looks and "Britishness," Land Rovers still stand for something -- off road capability. Will a Discovery built on an Explorer have the same entry/exit angles, wheel articulation and structural integrity? Probably not, although i'm sure any such vehicle will be much more reliable and good looking for all the soccer moms out there.
As I said before, I'm not in the market for a Disco, and I'm trying to get the last of the 2000 4Runner limiteds while they still have the rear locking diff and not some crappy "traction control" system. But it would be a shame if Ford watered down and corporatized one of the few vehicles that still stands for something. I suggest that Land Rover owners should contact Ford to dissuade them ...
Just my 2 cents.
Incidentally, I was going to buy a 99' ML430 but a bad dealer experience at Mark Motors plus the general "cheapness" of the ML's interior changed my mind.
I've had no problems other than the one I created when I tried to drive my LR into the garage--its a little taller than I thought. As long as my fiance sits on the rear bumper (she weights about 115lb) it will fit, and it give the neighbors something to watch.
There are a couple of things that I will find a solution for---1. My 20oz drink won't fit the cupholders. 2. I want a 10disc CD changer, but LR made the connections proprietary (rats!)
Other things: don't worry a lot about small drips. "If it isn't leaking, it's empty" applies. It should track dead straight over bumps and with crosswind, 70mph should be effortless. Try driving around in "3" in town, see if it feels peppy. It ought to happily rev to 4k RPM with plenty of pickup. Driver over railroad tracks, see if the front end feels tight. Check the swivel balls (both sides under the front end) to see if they're leaking. Look at diffs, have fluids been changed? Check oil drain nut, is it marred from use? How about the transfer case drain? Swivel ball drains? Look at auto trans... same story. See if the cross member under the trans has been removed and replaced for the 35k service? Have a shop check the OBDII for any stored codes... that tells a lot.
Good luck!! -Bob
A closer LR dealer whom I like better (with a salesman with enough patience to put up with my lengthy car shopping dilemma no less!) doesn't have a 2000 that I want, but says that altho there are no incentives on 2001's, the list price w/the equip. that I want is now around $2500 less than a comparable 2000. With his $520 discount on an '01, price would be around $38,400 with same equip. as the leftover 2000 Kent Green I'm looking at.
Is it worth it to save $3000 to get the 2000 instead of waiting for an '01? Will a 2001 be worth $3,000 more at trade in time in a few years?
What would anyone else do? I tend to keep vehicles for a long time if I like them, & put low miles on them.
Any advice would be appreciated, & thanks again for all the advice I've gotten previously on this site.
However I'm not sure yet if I agree about the 2001 definitely being worth $3k more than the 2000? The LR salesman today, knowing I tend to keep my vehicles for 8 or 10 years, said probably not. It may come down to how long I can wait, or what I can do with an extra $3,000.
Just to complicate things further, I'm re-visiting the ACE vs. non-ACE decision again, after driving one of each today, & being firmly in the ACE camp until now. The salesman said the 18" tires are not as good in the snow (makes sense, right?), & pointed out the added noise of the ACE system which I'm starting to notice more. I love the 18" wheels, but $2900 is a lot, plus possible replacement costs for 18" tires......
Any further comments from anyone, particularly on the ACE question, would be greatly appreciated....Thanks!
I know there are alot of "nay-sayers" about the Land Rover. I don't know if they bought problem, used vehicles or what, but I am very happy with mine.
I have a question regarding my 1997 Land Rover Discovery. I am experiencing an intermittent loss of power with my disco at highway speeds. I have contacted my local Land Rover service department, and they have not been able to identify the problem. I am hoping that someone else has experienced this problem and knows the solution.
From the speeds of 45mph and up, my disco will lose power for 2 seconds. It does not lose total power, but power is reduced by approx. 30%. Eventhough they only last 2 seconds, they occur randomly. Sometimes one after the other during a 20 second period. Other times I can go 20 miles without a problem. The rpms stay constant during these sessions. Due to the randomness of the sessions and the fact I do not have any service engine lights on, the dealership does not know how to find the problem.
If anyone has any information or can suggest a good website for a solution, I would be greatly appreciative.
I only lose power, nothing else. Everything else (lights, radio, gauges, etc . .) stays status quo.
I own a '96Disco. I also have the same loss of power (deceleration) when traveling at over 55 mph. The episodes are infrequent and do not happen all the time. But when it does the vehicle hesitates regains speed, hesitates, etc.
I took it to the local dealer who could not find
a problem after hooking up the computer.
Since I was due for the 60k mi maintenance, I
had it done (not cheap) and hope with this overhaul, it would somehow solve the problem. Guess What? 5 days later same thing. I love my Disco but this is frustrating.
I'm wary of traveling far. So if you find the answer please pass it along. Unfortunately, your not the only one with this problem.
All Land Rover technicians are not created equal.
I own a '96 discovery, purchased used at 41000 kms (Canada) in Nov. 1998 with an extended 3yr/120000 kms warranty. Over the past two years I have put 75000 kms on with some severe off-roading included.
This vehicle has NEVER let me down, it has gone anywhere and everywhere I have wanted to take it. Although it does come with some quirks, and a little noise.
It's service has been maintained, oil/fluids, and all regular service maintenence.
At my dealership, it is only 1 of 2 in Vancouver, it is always a two week wait, but a loaner or rental vehicle is always provided.
As for this problem....it began last December (1999). A periodic, and very occasional loss of power, no loss or surge in rpms, just a momentary hesitation. With a check engine light. Promptly taken in, tested and nothing out of the ordinary in results. Sent home and all seemed fine.
January 2000, again temporary loss of power, check engine light on again, no surge or drop of rpms and speed was maintained. But a 2 second pause, and a slight whiplash effect. Another test was carried out, blame was placed on oxygen sensor malfunction, and replaced (thank god for an extended warranty) cost approx. $550 cdn. However, same effects felt again periodically a few days later while road tripping down the coast to California. Then all of a sudden fine.
June 2000, the problem re-occured, more severe and repetitive, check engine light on again. This time dealership suspected that exhessive valve stick was the problem, an expensive replacement and I put it off. A vacation and travel came and went so I barely touched the vehicle for two months.
August 23, 2000, The problem is incredibly persistent. At initial acceleration, city driving, highway driving, at any speed. Immediately taken in to dealership, again an oxygen sensor malfunction was blamed along with excessive valve stick. I ok'd the work, with only the oxygen sensor malfunction being covered by warranty. Land Rover technicians' "testbook" computer system "crashed" while connected to my engine. Locked my engine in security mode... for 12 days, while second testbook was shipped to the dealership, which arrived broken and unusable. Vehicle unlocked and prepared for my pickup on Sept. 7, 2000. Picked up the morn' of Sept 8, 2000, and ran smoothly for 40kms then the same problem reappeared.
Setember 11, 2000. Vehicle returned to dealership, vehicle retested by the highly qualified and experienced Land Rover technicians. This time they decided that the problem was related to a hot start switch and replaced it, along with renewing the speedometer transducer. Vehicle picked up on Sept. 15,2000.
September 19, 2000. Guess who headed back into the dealership.....yes the same problem. This time the fault "codes" were pulled again, and the problem was a thermostatic devise beside the transmission, I don't have the paperwork for this one yet or I could give you the exact name, but I picked up the car on Sept 22, received credit for all work done to date minus insurance deductible, and it is running smooth. Knock on wood!!!!!!
I beleive that this thermastatic devise was the problem, it is somewhere in the neighbourhood of a $100 part, I'll update this with exact names and numbers on tuesday when I receive all the paperwork. The problem is that this part when failing triggers other symptoms in the vehicle and those parts are traced first. It is only by a systematic detailed analysis that it can be found. .......Now of course this is what we're supposed to be paying these highly qualified technicians for. But is $90/hr what we're getting from them?!?
So hopefully for anyone else out there with this problem, you will not have to endure days/weeks/months of jerking in your vehicle.
My problem is not with my LandRover, it has 116000 kms (73000 miles), it looks new, exterior and interior, and I guess now a large percentage of engine parts are new too. Nor is my problem with the LandRover dealership, who has after seeing my face for 6 weeks or so, credited me for all service completed. My problem is with the technicans in the shop working on my vehicle, using their textbook computers as an answer for the "faults", rather than as a diagnostic tool.
That all being said I have thoroughly enjoyed owning this vehicle, it's comfort, reliability and ability offroad. If I was just doing city driving however, there are alot of "pretty" and functional SUV's out there. But if you are going anywhere into the backcountry and need a powerful and functional 4x4, Land Rover has it all.
brian
P.S. I will post again on Tuesday when I have the paperwork on this most recent work. And I have driven my vehicle hard to road test it since the last incident and all seems fine.
I am getting ready to go to the middle of now where South Dakota for a duck hunt, pulling trailer, taking dogs, and all that. Looking forward to seeing how it does on the long trip.
I think Ford buying LR is good. They did wonders for Jaguar. It's a better car, better made, better mechanics. Don't buy into any talk about a Tauras in fancy rapping. LR won't be a fancy Exploder (pun intended). LR will maintain it's quality and most likey get much better quality control. NO matter how die hard a fan you are, you have to admit that the engines specks and performance are crap compared to today's engines. The V6 in my 99 Trooper got better mileage, was more powerful, was quicker, pulled just as much weight, and was quitier. But, the darn charm, good looks, feel, and off road ability make up for this.
I look forward to your next posting. I appreciate the detail and hope your experience solves my problem.
Thanks,
Clopes