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btw, I love this car. the mileage is not great (suburban driving, avg about21; have gotten 27 on the highway), but it's comfortable, smooth, fast and it looks so good.
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ps: re-rating means a change in the way of measurement? Paperwork?
First was the Accord LX I4 automatic sedan. While not slow, it certainly was not inspiring.
Next was the Accord EX V6 automatic sedan. Lots of torque and you can feel the vehicle's heft. I like the leather seats, too. Then I saw the price and said no thank you. Too bad Honda doesn't make an LX or SE V6. And I understand why. When I got my 07 SE V6, the dealer and Honda almost gave me the car.
Third drive was a 2009 Civic SI 4 door sedan with manual transmission. I loved the way the car drove and the engine reved into VTEC land. The dealer wanted over $21,000 for it, and I wasn't a big fan of the tacky rear spoiler. Nor do I want to use premium unleaded. The deal breaker was a black interior. It makes a small car look smaller and shows every bit of dirt.
I also drove a "strippy" camry with the 158 hp engine and manual transmission. Toyota may get better performance with auto, but the manual Camry was boring.
Yesterday I drove and bought a 2009 Accord LX I4 manual sedan. Compared to the automatic, the manual is much more fun to drive. It is a totally different experience compared to the auto. Now comparing to driving a 2007 I4 manual, that model seemed slighly quicker. The 2009 engine feels smoother. If you want a car that is fun to drive and relatively inexpensive, give the I4 manual transmission a try.
This will be my 4th Accord:
1988 Accord LX 99 hp auto
1998 Accord LX V6 200hp auto
2007 Accord SE V6 auto
2009 Accord LX I4 manual
There is an EX-V6 that costs $2,100 less than the loaded EX-L V6 (comparable to the 2007 LX-V6). It doesn't have things like leather, heated seats, premium sound, auto-climate control.
I drove that model, and what a nice one! Unfortunately even the non-loaded EX-V6 is about $6,000 more than the LX with manual transmission.
EX's have a extra valve on the exhaust that opens at high pressure. This is the only difference; the engine, intake, ECU, everything from that muffler valve forward is the same. What happens is that backpressure change equates to a higher redline, 7100 in the EX, over 6800 in the LX, and the increased airflow north of 6800 rpm allows for the engine to go an extra 300 revs and get something out of it: the 23 hp. Having said that, and as you probably already guessed: both engines are only pulling 170hp at 6500 rpm, and all powerband equivalents back to idle.
There is no difference driving wise unless you really stomp on it, and I mean really stomp on it. And honestly, you probably don't even feel it, let alone do it enough to. 23hp isn't enough to throw you back in your seat. I Think the only reason Honda throws that valve on is to make it look like your getting something more out of the EX. If your spending more money, you want more power, right?
So, If your hung up on purchasing an cloth EX over an LX-P, do it if you want the larger wheels, cd changer, dual zone climate control, ambient console lighting, and that sunroof that I never see anyone use. (apologies to those few that actually do use it) If your doing it for the horsepower, buy the V6.
I live in a small town, and was out walking today. I saw a RED Accord Coupe V6 driving around. I happened to walk by the car again in the housing edition. She was pulling out of her drive way. It was gorgeous!! I want it so bad!! I told her to be proud she has such a fine car. I would love to have that car!! However, I told her to watch out for our horrible harassing cop we have.
It is too bad Honda cannot offer a sporty 6spd DSG transmission with paddleshifters. Heck the Honda fit has the paddleshifters, even GM . I know a manual is best, but the automatic could offer "almost" the same fun. for me atleast.
What a beauty! I love that car. .... Snap out of it.....lol anyway..
.........the numbers inherent to my 6M underscore your words above.....................
To 60 <6.0 seconds; 1/4-mile circa 14.5 on an abusive (to the clutch) launch.......
In the flat AZ desert - 2200 rpm/cruise/no ac/87 octane/6th gear overdrive - i have broken the 40 MPG barrier............
best, ez.........
I just about traded her for a V6 Rav 4. . . The V6 Rav 4 will smoke the V6 Accord. Biggest sleeper going. . . . Toyota says the V6 Rav 4 is their fastest accelerating vehicle. Faster than a Mustang GT. . .
Anyway I decided to keep my Honda. . . I know the V6 is sexier, faster and better equipped but my little 4 banger grows on you. . .
I know this particular forum isn't where this challenge belongs, but I have to say that seems like a stretch. The numbers I've seen for the Mustang are 0-60 in the low fives. I would expect the V6 RAV4 to be around six seconds flat, since it weighs about the same as a V6 Camry (2wd RAV=3560 lbs, Camry V6 SE=3483 lbs per Toyota website).
Mustang V8 = 5.2 sec
I truly miss the Honda 4cyl I had on the 06 Accord. Be glad you have a nice Honda!
keep it! I would trade out for my Honda back in a heart beat. I am brain storming of ways to get out of my G6 now. I want out now!
I'll agree that your Corvette is a lot more exciting--for the money it should be!--but not all of us are able to put our automotive dollar into something that will only hold two people.
1st car was a Chevrolet Impala SS loaded with a very similiar engine to the Corvette. Mileage over the same roads I drove my Accord on for a tank of gas. Mileage for the V8 Impala was 21. . . I thought pretty darn good.
The next 2 weeks I drove an HHR (cheaper than the SS Impala). The HHR had the big 4 cyl (not the turbo model) and my mileage was also 21. . .
Actually my Accord does better at 23-24 than both those cars. I expected the little HHR to be much better but wasn't so. . .
The big V8 Impals SS wasn't bad. . . Gobs of power but still cheesy. . . Then the HHR. . .ugghh!!
My Honda felt like a Formula 1 race car after that thing. What I did realise was that I just thought I was getting bored with my 4cyl Accord. Once I got her back it was like a new car all over again.
Funny thing. . . It's now about 3 weeks later and that good feeling is still strong as ever. . .
Accord V4 - 2003 - 2007 - the good:
1. V4 - better fuel economy
2. Cheaper to maintain
3. Better on gas
4. Same look (well the dual pipes and the V6 insignia don't count ... that much)
5. Better designed engine - Honda's V4 are legendary and while the V6 is not garbage the V4 is considered to be Honda's best effort in engine technology.
Accord V4 - 2003 - 2007 - the bad:
1. Buying used I think it is more prudent to buy a car with a bigger engine which under regular driving would be under less stress. Example: If a car X was driven for 100,000 miles and was fitted with a V4 engine, car Y (V6) with the same millage would have a less stressed engine (assuming the same driving conditions and dynamics). Simply put I think that V4 would be more stressed than V6 and hence the bigger engine would be more desirable.
2. Extra power. My family consists of 3 adults and 2 kids + groceries = good amount of weight. While I do not think V4 would under perform with such a heavy load, V6 would handle it with more ease.
3. The Boy in me - my commute does take me on a parkway (10 miles) where there are numerous curves and while I am not breaking any speed limits I do enjoy accelerating from 0 to 65 when it is safe and ok with local laws. Seems like V6 here would give me more fun doing 0-65-15-65-15-65 thing. I don't do it often but when I do I enjoy it.
4. The price difference between used V4 and V6 especially the older models (03, 04) are not that far apart. Since V6 cost on average 5K more, one is getting a better deal on a used V6.
5. Here I am not sure but I would imagine that because of a beefier engine, the tranny is also made to handle the power of the engine. On average, most people who buy V6 do not drive it any harder than those driving V4s, the beefed up tranny should also be less "tired".
6. The stability control device - only on V6.
The Ugly:
Even if I decide to go with Accord V6 - it will have to then compete with the Maxima. But that is another thread I suppose.
So what do you guys think?
Did I miss any negative/positive aspects of either V4 or V6? Please remember I am only interested in the 7th. gen. Accords.
Awaiting your 5 cents!
As for the V4 instead of I4, it is an old habit, however I am aware that the 4 cilinder Accord is I4 and not a V6.
I have a 4-cylinder Accord with the automatic ('06) and have never found it sluggish when loaded, even with 4 adults on board merging onto our 70 MPH interstates (I-59 and I-459 in Birmingham). Yes, the V6 is faster, but the 4-cylinder feels easily as peppy as a V6 sedan from 10 years ago, if not peppier due to great gearing and a flexible powerband.
I also understand fully the prevailing notion that I4 Accords are peppy and that the 4 cillinder version will merge effortlessly getting on highways. Again, bad reading skills. My drive has a lot to do with curves and stop and go traffic (two things interstates are not famous for). Therefore information on merging onto one is neither important nor the opinion I was seeking. Please, next time when answering a question, it would be pertinent to focus on the questions and relevant responses that ought to fill the answer box. This way one could impress the reader and perhaps "be taken a bit more seriously"? :P
Perhaps you would get better responses if you treated your fellow posters as a resource rather than as your inferiors.
Did you come here for information and input? Or for a fight?
Over and out--I'm done feeding this troll. Anyone else wanna take a turn?
And, if a dealer sees a customer as uninformed, he's more likely to be willing to deal.
As far as talking down your nose at everyone... give me a break. We replied to you kindly trying to help and got a sarcastic snotty response in return.
Good luck car shopping. I'm through here.
The V-6 is no more likely to last than the I4. Don't take that into consideration. An I4 can last as long as you want it to. I have a 1990 Integra with 230,000 miles. My brother has a 1995 G20 (2.0 Nissan I4) with over 300,000 miles. Neither has been rebuilt. Good modern engines last longer than the body of the car if taken care of.
If you want the best of both worlds get an I4 MT. Pretty near V-6 acceleration with even better mpg than the I4 AT. Also lighter and more nimble (70 lbs off of the nose), and less expensive. I mention this since you seem interested in the "fun" aspect, and the MT certainly helps in that regard.
Teaching and lecturing are entirely two different animals, especially when the latter is provided in condescending manner.
As for manual trans. option. Two things: wife and NYC make it impossible.
regards
It is a fact that many people around here use the term "V4" for a four cylinder engine, just assuming that since many 6 cylinder engines have the cylinders laid out in a V shape, that 4 cylinders are as well. Since the layout of the engine cylinders is an important feature of the car, I can understand why the thinking is that a buyer will come across better to a salesman if he demonstrates that knowledge.
On the other hand, there seems to be a fair number of car salesman who may not understand it themselves, unfortunately, so it really may not be that big of a deal.
In any case, I hope you can take the advice offered in the spirit in which it was intended - to be helpful.
Good luck to you.
Do you, really? Then, why not type it correctly, and avoid being corrected? :confuse: I think you should buy a Sebring. :P
As for being taken seriously. The minute $$$ is put on the table a good sales person will know who is a buyer and serious about purchasing a vehicle and who is there to lecture and act all knowledgeable thinking that knowing intricate details of the product will somehow impress the salesman and who in admiration or perhaps as a reward for being so intimately familiar with the product being sold, would be willing to knock off another couple hundred bucks. LOL! :P
keep up the good work.
best, ez....
Unless you have a V6 automatic. Then the I4 manual is waaaay more fun. :shades:
Congrats on the new ride!!