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Meanwhile, Camry Hybrid sales went from zero in 2005 to 31,341 in 2006. Hmmm, maybe some would-be Prius buyers chose the Camry Hybrid instead?
And sales for the entire light-vehicle industry dropped from 16,997,203 to 16,559,625, or 2.6%.
Hope this helps clarify
- live in central MD and averaging between 44 and 47 mpg
- seats are relatively high, thick and comfortable
- Digital dash just below the windshield great idea since line of vision on the road is never really disrupted
- Tire pressure sensor is very nice and very sensitive, the light came on when I was only 2lb under recommended pressure.
- JBL 9 spkr sound system w/6CD changer is wonderful. I set Balance to center, fader +1 to the rear, and EQ Treb +1 Mid +1 and Bass +2 and floated right on back to 1973 listening to Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon. I could litterally hear every speaker.
- cu ft for cargo with back seats folded forward is great.
- 2nd hidden lower level to cargo area great for tools, jumper cables, flash light, flares etc. etc.
- Hatch door opening is gigantic
- Rear fish eye camera on LCD display has been a good help
- The fuel level last box begins blinking I figure at 3 gal remaining because its nice to think you are on empty and it only takes 8 gals to fill 'er up. Sweet!
Now the Negatives
- Floor mats are of so so quality - why doesn't driver's side mat include rubber or some other reinforcing material for heal of gas pedal foot like the carpet has? Mine is way too worn for only 6 months and about 160 hours behind the wheel.
- Rear curtain to hide things in cargo area is of so so quality. Check out how sturdy and easy to use the one is on an Outback.
-plastic dash painted to look metalic just looks tacky and cheap and don't ever use one of those Air Wick air fresheners that clasps onto one of the louvres of the dash blowers. If any drips out, it eats the paint and you are left with drip and run marks that are now light gray plastic.
- traction control is too sensitive and engages too often at bridge expansion joints etc.
- The internal beeping in Reverse should also be external like most trucks to warn others.
- Driver should have more control over use of the rear camera. Some times I'd like to see just how close that jerk behind me really is.
That about covers it.">
I posted the Price info under Prices Paid #439
I've followed the Prius Forums since 2003.
I had a new '99 Avalon and wrote to Toyota to try to get them to add the Hybrid to it. They put it in the Camry first, but the Camry has a small trunk, tight for the golf clubs and MPG disappointing
I really liked the Avalon, but wanted a Hybrid as my next car. This year's Auto Show has the Chevy VOLT that's promising for a US car, but won't be ready for 3-6 years.
Other manufactures' Hybrids have terrible MPG. Some have Highway MPG better than City MPG. Crazy.
When Toyota advertized 0% Financing for 24 months, it was time to get the Prius. The outside of the Prius is narrower than the Avalon, while the interior has plenty of room. I'm 6'2", 250 lbs, tall torso, yet room over my head. My tall friends may need to sit lower to clear the backseat roofline.
I've spent 3 nights reading the manuals. (Retired Engineer) They barely include ANY Hybrid info. This forum, PriusChat and other forums have more tips and tricks. Why is Toyota keeping its owners in the Dark?
It's fun driving and noticing the Energy screen with MPG in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. I hope it's accurate.
I only got 21-26 MPG in the Avalon.
The NAV works great. At least to the store and back home, so far !!!
I'm considering replacing the Air in my tires with Nitrogen, like I had in my Avalon. Tire Dealer here promotes it since Nitrogen volume and pressure are near constant for Summer/Winter temp changes. Toyota Dealer didn't want to install the system, since Toyota doesn't push it.
I'm driving with a smile.
ukr2
Victor, NY
2007 Metalic Grey #5
For more indepth info on how the system works and some of its quirks Priuschat and Greenhybrid are great sites for an inquisitive retired engineer. There are engineers, including Toyota engineers/techs, always posting on these sites.
I wish that I had one of these during the 20+ years that I was commuting into and out of NYC in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
"Most peopel who buy a Prius are really stretching their budget to buy one and can only do so with the government tax credits and other incentives. Face it, the Prius is a very expensive economy car and is not affordable by a lot of people"
I own a 2003 Toyota Echo, yes its a little smaller than the Prius, but I paid $9,200, 34,000 miles, 2 years old at the time and I get 41mpg highway/36mpg city. To pay $20K or more for something that gets 10 mpg more than my car...not worth it. Also, how much is maintenace on a hybrid versus a regular car?? I would assume higher....hybrids need to come down in price for us normal folks.
Government handouts and incentives are actually detrimental to getting costs down for all purchasers.
One could actually make the same argument about any expensive car - people without certain income levels cannot buy them. This is not news to me.
The hybrid incentives voted in by congress were intended to help the auto manufacturers, not the consumer; hence the 60K car limit on the full credits.
One could actually make the same argument about any expensive car - people without certain income levels cannot buy them. This is not news to me.
http://toyota.letstalk.com/brands/toyota-bt/home.htm
The folks at my Verizon store "weren't sure, the list changes all the time".
My wife got a Verizon LG Chocolate which works great except for the fact that you can only tranfer numbers from the phone to the car 10 at a time when you're setting it up.
Phil
2005 Prius ( nee' Nov 30 2005 ).
It's now 14.5 months and the odo just turned over 40,000 miles. Total average fuel economy over the 40000 mi is 48.1 mpg. ( It's about 45 mpg in winter and 51 mpg in summer ).
Free oil/filters every 5000 miles and I pay for the tire rotations. Nothing else.
Oh the Bullseye?
.. within the first 5 months I drove over an allen wrench that fell out of another vehicle and blew out the right rear tire. Stuff happens: $95 new tire
.. two months later, a rock created a star which I had sealed at no cost to me.
.. crack began to propagate in the heat of summer, had it resealed at no cost to me.
.. just before its first birthday I hit some gravel on a sharp steep highway off ramp and banged into the curbs several times. Two new wheels and a control arm: $1500
.. 8 weeks later a doe ran up and T-Boned me and stole my outside driver's side mirror ( she had a date? ). Dents and mirror and windshield ( it made the windshild crack even more ): $3200
.. this week a driver ran into the same side behind the deer attack and dented the rear driver side door and wheelwell. awaiting estimate
It runs perfectly and still gets 45 mpg now in winter.
I just need some camo paint .... or rather a bright neon sign.
The shudder is a normal phenomenon. It happens occasionally. Don't pay it any mind.
Your mileage.
These are the criteria that affect your personal fuel economy: Please give us some input on your personal type of driving.
Where do you live/drive?.......................
What is your precise amount of .. City driving?........ Highway driving?........
At what speeds do you drive? City?....... Highway?.........
What type of city driving do you do?..........
How long are your trips?...............
Is it just you alone or carpooling?...........
What's the weather been like recently?..........
What's the normal terrain you drive over?...........
Each one of these factors is a subtraction from a 'nominal' 55 mpg estimated by the EPA for perfect conditions.
For example short trips under 10 min may cut your personal fuel economy by as much as 20% so your personal FE should be about 44 mpg if all the other conditions were perfect.
At 40 mpg you may very well be exceeding the normal fuel economy for your terrain and weather and area.
Provide some more info. Also it takes about 5000 miles for the vehicle to begin to breakin. At 10000 mi it's better yet.
Hint: on the screen that has the bar graphs keep it there while you drive. The instantaneous bar graph at the right will show you what fuel economy you're getting all the time while you drive. When you put your foot into it the bar goes to 30-40 mpg when you let up and ride with a 'light' foot then your FE will go to 100+ mpg. Try to keep the fluctuating bar as high as possible without going too slow and blocking traffic.
Hint: when driving stop and go anticipate your stops as early as possible and let off the pedal entirely and coast to a stop. When you let off the pedal at speeds under 41 mph you actually turn off the ICE and burn no fuel at all.
Hint: try to combine short trips into longer ones to get the most efficient use from a warmed up engine.
Except for the short trips and the upslope you actually have very favorable conditions to get FE in the 50-60 mpg range. Trial and error and patience.
Now that winter is fully here you might want to take into consideration some of the following factors which can often be outside your control entirely. These generally act to decrease your fuel economy. But, hey, it's the same for every vehicle on the road as well. For some it's even worse.
Factors affecting your FE ( and everyone else's also, btw ) in decending order of importance...
1) Towing anything is a huge penalty possibly as much as a 50% reduction in FE
2) Lots of weight in the vehicle, passengers cargo etc. ( EPA tests are done empty ) deduct up to 20% from your 'Norm'
3) Short trips under 10 min - deduct 20% from your 'Norm'
4) Snow, Rain, sleet - deduct 15%
5) Strong head wind - deduct 10%
6) Cold weather - deduct 5 - 10%
7) High speed driving 0ver 70 mph - deduct 5 - 10%
8) Many starts from a dead stop ( going from stop sign to stop sign to stop sign ) - deduct 5 - 10%
9) Terrain - fortunately 'what goes up..' usually this balances out on a RT
10) Winter fuel - deduct 2 - 5%
11) Low tire pressure - ? How low
Now these are cumulative, so short trips with a lot of stops ( -20% )( -5% ) in winter ( -7% ) on slick pavement ( -15% ) can result in as much as a 40 - 50% loss from your personal 'Norm'. The bright side of this is that your 'Norm' is higher than most others at 39 [ 45 ] mpg. If your Norm was only 26 mpg for example you might expect to get 13-15 mpg.
This is really really important when you consider how much more fuel you use in cold weather but also how much less you use relatively to a an ICE-only V6 driver. ( See below )
TCH 'Norm' 39 mpg uses 25.6 gal per 1000 mi driven
TCH 'Winter' 25 mpg uses 40 gal per 1000 mi driven
ICE 'Norm' 26 mpg uses 38.5 gal per 1000 mi driven
ICE 'Winter' 15 mpg uses 66.7 gal per 1000 mi driven
In 'Normal' driving an ICE driver will only use about 13 gal more than a TCH driver for every 1000 mi. In 'Winter' however, that ICE driver will now use over 28 gal more than a TCH driver for the same 1000 mi.
Enjoy your hybrid. It will be Spring soon.
If yours in noticable all the time then I'd have it checked but the normal transitions of which there may be hundreds in the course of an hour's drive are imperceptible.
Be prepared for lots of other "strange" noises (strange to those who don't drive hybrids). The brake system has an electric pump you will hear. The A/C system runs off the high voltage so has a DC motor. Even the coolant system uses an electric pump to store hot coolant in a "thermos". Then there are the noises of the ABS braking system and the VSC system, and the slight "jerk" when you are braking gently and go below about 8 MPH and the system switches to "friction brakes" from regenerative.
They are all normal. Don't panic!!
Enjoy the ride.
Can anyone tell me how you could file for the tax credit in my income tax return. What form number do you need from the IRS. Thanks.
The real fun was in the return trip. After resetting again at Loveland and heading home I averaged 98 mpg! At one point 5 of the 6 bars were maxed out at 100 mpg and would have made all six if it weren't for Floyd Hill. (Bane of many a trucker.)
The 92 mile round trip averaged out to 67 mpg. Which makes for a trip to the ski area for just under $3. In our Grand Cherokee that would have cost more than $11. Sweet.
I have a question regarding the steering wheel controls. Are they supposed to be lighted? There does seem to be a very faint glow to them, but really, not enough to amount to anything. I have not found any reference to being able to adjust lighting intensity for anything other than the instrument panel. It seems odd that those controls along with the power window switches would not be lighted. Am I missing something?
What is there is a 'braille' system of bumps, bars and dots that you will become used to in a very very short time. Sit in the Prius with your eyes closed and you'll see the logic. It's pretty ingenious.
Probably best to learn and remember anyway. Looking down at the steering wheel while driving wouldn't be very safe.
Now...
I knew going in, after having driven the car for a day prior to purchase, that there was a rattle of some sort. I figured as prominent as it is, I could find it easily. But it is proving to be elusive. And somewhat inconsistent.
My first sense was that it was coming from the front, then the interior rear. I did find that the spare was not cinched tightly, but that was not it. I had also been told that the dealer had replaced the original aux battery since it had run down while sitting on the lot in January with a courtesy light on. So I checked that. Sure enough, it was a bit loose. But to be sure, I checked the other Prius that I had driven, which was quiet, and found two things. Its battery was nailed down tight. And.....it had a different battery.
So I have two things going on. (I did tighten my battery, and the noise is still there, by the way). What I have in my car is an aftermarket battery. I am not sure I am crazy about that one, since it is a brand new car. I think I may have to insist on the installation of a Toyota battery, unless someone can convince me the aftermarket battery is at least as good.
But, I still have the noise. I noted tonight when going over speed bumps in a parking lot, that it was the front tires that brought out the noise, not the rears. Yet, there are other times when the same noise is induced by rear wheel movement. Very frustrating, but solvable, I am sure. I am wondering if the Touring suspension might be the culprit. I may spray silicone on every moving joint.
There's also a bit of creaking from the front passenger door area. I'll tackle that one later.
But as I said, I do like the car. I just did not expect a Japanese built Toyota to exhibit such things. My Japanese built 1999 Honda Accord felt like it had been carved from billet to the day I sold it two years ago.
I did get a great price on the Prius, and with gas now on the way up again, getting 45 mpg feels good.
I can't make out the logo on the side, but what I think I see are 2 large letters, 'GE', or something like that. I will ask them exactly what I have, and compare its specs to original.
Were it not for the rattle/noise, I would be pretty darn pleased at this point. I took it on a pretty twisty drive last night, over the mountain from Smithsburg, Md to Thurmont, and it performed very well. Going up the mountain, the avg mpg dropped from 48 to 41. Coming back down, it returned to 48.
Go the the IRS website. It has all the details.
Just don't know....still working on it.
The cold-weather related noise is the sort I am getting from the front passenger door. That one is not nearly as big a concern for me.
I've searched around about extended warranties. The car has too many electronics for me not to want one but I have some questions about the price people have paid by buying them online. My son sold me the car at the Toyota dealer that he works for and doesn't know how people are buying the extended warranties for under $1K. Has anyone bought the premium warranty (7yr/100Kmi) for under $1000?
Thanks for all your tips. I'm definitely going to look into the Pulse and Glide.
djkrs2
The back up camera beep is annoying... but you will get used to it... tyy to get used to it, rather than disabling it. You will love the mileage... I got 470 miles out of my last tank of gas... Your gas mileage will improve as you get used to the vehicle... remember on the display screen to keep the guage as close to 50mpg as possible.
Welcome to the World of the Prius.... I hope you enjoy your experience as much as I have...
BTW, it's really a 4yr warranty extention. Although I believe it gives a few extras not included in the "new vehicle" warranty. So it's about $250/yr. I suppose that's reasonable.