Lexus LX 470

motu1 · November 2003

Hopefully, my question will dissipate some of the negative energy out there?!? I'm looking for a CPO LX470. How much bargaining room is there? I found a '00 with 20k miles and an asking price of $46k. Thanks in advance.

motu1 · November 2003

Answering my own question. I've found a number of CPO and non-certified LXs with online prices that are about $5k over what they advertise in the classified section of the LA Times for the exact same vehicle. Maybe there is even more room. I'm going to try to find out...

njpaguy · November 2003

At no time did I directly or indirectly refer to you or attempt to cast you as some typical car salesperson. In fact, it was you who first made mention of it. I never attacked you; you took the defensive for some unknown reason. I mentioned my experience at your dealership with another salesperson who you must admit was far from upfront on the issues I pointed out. But rather than taking note of this rather poor treatment and try to correct the situation (such as trying to get me to work directly with YOU to lease/purchase a new Lexus), you preferred to go on the offensive and counter my every comment and observation. So in conclusion I would now have to say yes, you are a typical sleazy car salesperson. Better luck when you find your proper home at a Ford store.

lehighlexus · November 2003

And I don't even need to go back to your other posts.

"At no time did I directly or indirectly refer to you or attempt to cast you as some typical car salesperson" and followed up with-

"you are a typical sleazy car salesperson. Better luck when you find your proper home at a Ford store."

Wouldn't a sleazy car salesman have tried to weasel a deal out of you off here? I am not going to step on the guy's toes who helped you just to give you a better price. If you wanted the better price, you could have called him. That was not the point of the discussion. But, hey, when you do beat everyone up for price and eventually by a Navigator, maybe I'll see you at the dealership

. The entire point I tried to point out was go to the dealership, any extra buck you can save will be done there. And I tried to help you, but because it didn't have a price attatched to it, you didn't see it

Good advice about CPO- What I have learned is that CPO's are usually a couple thousand more than KBB used car retail. Anything less would be a good deal. I would tell you a good price, but I honestly don't know. The only thing we have is a 2003 loaded up LX

gavidia · November 2003

I'VE READ SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT GETTING A LX 470 FOR ABOUT 1500.00 OVER INVOICE, CAN SOMEONE GIVE A DEALER NAME, SO I MAY BUY ONE FOR A GOOD PRICE. I'M IN VA AND THEY ARE ABOUT 5K OVER INVOICE!! CAN ANY ONE HELP WITH REAL DETAILS. EAST COAST IS PREFERRED BUT WILL GO TO THE WEST COAST TO SAVE 3500.00 THANKS IN ADVANCED!!

rnrkato · November 2003

see lots of discussion on cargo covers, but no one has stated where they are getting their quotes, can you provide a web site or business location?

mike062245 · November 2003

Does anyone have a reliable place to buy a oem spoiler for LX470 for 2003 model?

At time of order, spoiler was only available (according to dealer) with Night Vision option.

Dealer suggested ordering from parts dept after delivery. The option was quoted as $281 on Lexus web site. Dealer wanted $900 for part and $200 to install. What a rip-off.

Any ideas?

stewardrobbins · November 2003

www.toyota-parts.com has the Toyota Land Cruiser spoiler for $186.35. The installation kit is $17.50.

moj1 · November 2003

is there any news on the new LX?

debating whether to wait for the new LX, when ever that will be, or get the LX now.

prefer to stick with lexus but am considering the infiniti's QX56. the LX not having dual climate, indash 6 CD changer, eventual model change turn me off a bit.

with possibility of change in 179 tax code, i'd like to get a SUV this year

jocigar · December 2003

Does the lx 470 come with seating for 7 or is that an option... I am shopping for a 2000 model.

jocigar · December 2003

Do you think there is a good chance that they will change the tax code?

ljflx · December 2003

The LX comes standard with 7 seats. The only factory options on the truck are the DVD entertainment system, nightview and the Mark Levinson stereo. The latter is on virtually everything shipped anyway.

moj1 - The next LX will be bigger and will be based on the Sequoia platform probably in 2006.

moj1 · December 2003

spoke to my accountant. he said it's very unlikely that they will retro-actively rescind the tax code (though it was mentioned), AT LEAST NOT FOR THIS YEAR. there's a chance that the may repeal it for 2004, and possibly even make it retro-active for 2004. but my accountant beleives that the retro-active most likely happen only if the changes are made early in the 2004 year.

jocigar · December 2003

Thanks for that! lucky, I think I found one for this years end.

Any advise on this... 2000 Land cruiser certified for 29K or 2000 Lx470 for 31K non certified. 56k and 51k on lx.

Thanks

huckleberry1 · December 2003

When I bought my 00 LX470 I was told by the Lexus dealer they usually only certify vehicles that already need some 'work' to be done, like new tires, maintanence services, new windshield, etc... SO if you go by this logic and you are buying from a Lexus dealer then there maybe the unit you are considering is a solid rig. I however would see how much it would cost to get the certified warranty.... Now I am assuming you are buying it from a Lexus dealer, if you are not buying from Lexus. Then I would not even consider the LX without a warranty. And you would have to get some maintanence history....records are very important..

I would lean toward the certified LC....the LX rides better (smoother over rough roads) but in reality there is basically no difference except for the suspension and a few interior ammenities...

Compare the tires, a new set will run you $700.
If you get the Michelin LTX's.

jocigar · December 2003

Thanks for the advise... I looked at the certified 2000 lc and it was not very clean and seemed a bit abused to me.

The 2000 Lx is from a dealer but not from a lexus dealer and the price reflects it, since 31K is what a private seller would ask.

I looked at the Lx today and it is clean, but has a few interior panel blemishes.

My choice now is a different 2000 LC in like new condition with 55k for 30-31k and no certification or the LX with no cert.

Can you please elaborate on why you not even consider the LX... it has me worried a bit since we have put it on hold. It does have a longer warranty for the drive train.

Thanks in advance!

huckleberry1 · December 2003

I was describing a perfect world scenerio, now I know all the facts.. bare in mind I am not a mechanic but I have owned a 97 LC, 96 LX450, and now a 00 LX470 plus near 1/2 dozen other Toyota products since 1995 and I have never had a problem other than a full brake job on the 96 LX450. Now this is how I would proceed in your situtation. 1st of all the LC for $31K seems a little high considering the mileage, those are a dime a dozen on ebay and autotrader.com. The LX sounds very nice, here's what I would do. You need to see if you can determine if the LX was 'serviced' during it's life by Lexus or a Toyota dealer for oil changes, preventative stuff etc....if it can not be determined then you need to have it looked at by a Toyota mechanic, I'd just go to a Toyota dealer and have it throughly inspected.

If you can find out where it was originally purchased you can call the dealer and talk to a service advisor and if you are lucky he'll tell you what he has on his computer. If you have no clue where is was bought new run a carfax report and it will tell you the city and state then start looking for Lexus dealers there. Maybe you'll get lucky. If it's had a bunch of owners then your pretty much have to rely on the inspection.

Did you check autotrader.com for others?

I bought my 00 Certified with 44K for $35K 6 months ago. I now I could find one for $33-$34K. I am in Texas though.

jocigar · December 2003

believe or not the lx that I am looking at is priced reasonably for my area even with-out the certification.

I took your advise and called the dealer... it has been lexus serviced and they did a major tune-up at 30k miles after that there are oil changes and maintanace stuff. It is a two owner car and the second owner bought it till his new car arrived.

The truck is over the the warranty by 900 mile 50,900... too bad the previous did not care to have them look it over before it expired.

The interior has two small rips in the door panels and on the sides in the truck area opening... I hope to be able to replace some of the parts and bring it back to nice condition.

My main concern was if there are any major problem with the truck and is there is anything that accures at a certain mileage mechanically or on all the bells and whistles stuff like the height control.

Many Thanks!!

huckleberry1 · December 2003

That's encouraging info...
Nothing is 'scheduled' to break...they are built very well but you never know....but you have a better chance of it not breaking than if you bought let's say a Tahoe or Expedition.
The height control is a scary point you see people talk about on this board, yes it would cost you a fortune if it broke but if you don't use it it won't break, I would think....
I tried mine out after I got it, but I will never need it.

Maybe the Lexus dealer would 'certify' it for you... kinda doubt it but it's worth a shot... for like a grand or something...

For the rips, ask the Lexus dealer who they use for leather repair for their used cars. It can be fixed nicely if you use the right guy.

Remember, if you buy it make sure you always get all the work done at Lexus or Toyota. Atleast the regular maintenance.

The LX takes premium gas the LC takes regular...search the board for that debated topic. I use premium in mine..

jocigar · December 2003

How extensive is the drive-train warranty? I read on a previous post that they replaced the exhaust manifolds under the 6/70k warranty.

Any problems with the power steering motor on these?

Thanks again!

huckleberry1 · December 2003

Not sure about those issues, seems the EM are covered under the drive train warranty but I'd double check with Lexus. I don't worry about that stuff since mine is Certified. Remember you are buying one of the best vehicles ever made. Repairs 'should' be minimal with only 51K miles. The one you are looking at or have bought seems to have been well maintained and previously owned by a consciencous person.

Good luck

ilovetodrill · December 2003

Hi all, has anyone bought anything from fleetrates.com? Their quote for 04 LX470 is $4,700 less than what the dealer gave me. What is reasonable for a LX470 with everything except the rear DVD, nightview and lexus link? I am so confused by all the different quotes out there. Thanks a lot for your input.

ilovetodrill · December 2003

When I first heard about tax code 179, I was so dead certain I was getting a lexus in a week. After I talk to 2 different CPAs, I was very disappointed by the fact that neither of them are willing to write off the whole SUV for me in the category of business equipment. Both of them told me that the law really does not make a whole lot difference when it comes to claiming something this big. On top of that, such a big expense would definitly be an audit trigger. They also told me that the insurance will be higher and I would have to pay a high tax on my new "property" if I claim the SUV for business. I am a dentist and would love to jump on the Act 179 bandwagon. Any suggestion is appreciated.

stever · December 2003

Buy what you like and let tax considerations become a distant second concern....

my .02 :-)

Steve, Host

z71bill · December 2003

Even with the new rule allowing a business to write off the cost of a new truck - it still needs to have a valid business reason. As I recall - providing transportation between home and work is not a valid reason.

If you are audited you could always claim you use it to pull teeth!

texbmw · December 2003

You are correct. Everyone would do well to remember that the vehicle must be used in the active conduct of a trade or business. This deduction was intended to allow small businesses to buy delivery trucks and such, not for people to buy nice SUVs for personal transport. Deductions of this type probably are an "audit trigger" and the IRS probably won't have muich sympathy. However, the IRS has only a limited number of staff to review hundreds of millions of returns. Each taxpayer has to conduct their own risk analysis.

tdo123 · December 2003

I have been hearing little whispers about the new LX called the LV to be released as an '06 next year. It will be based on the Sequoia, but has anyone read or heard more details like options, style etc.?

stever · December 2003

You may want to look around the Future Vehicles board. Maybe Kirstie has heard rumors.

Steve, Host

volvo9980 · December 2003

I was at the dealer this past weekend. When asked the same question about future 470 based on Sequoia the associate laughed it off. He thought 470 will always be based on LC with limited production of only 6 - 7k.

tdo123 · December 2003

I would think a dealer would be the last to know, unless it was the GM. If a redesign was discussed with customers, who would buy this years models. As I look at some of the magazine sites that discuss cars, they are predicting it next year, but touting an 06 badge.

nvbanker · December 2003

I expect the LX to stay Land Cruiser based, and a tarted up Sequoia to become an LZ or something - another model altogether. The LX is too solid to go away, IMO.

lovephoto · January 2004

I would like to know if anyone is discounting the 2004 LX 470 yet. In the Reno area, they are not. I'm willing to go anywhere in the US if the "Price is Right"

lovephoto · January 2004

I read on another Lexus LX 470 forum that to make a call on the voice activated phone, you must come to a stop, unless you are using the 10 pre programed numbers. Also, I understand that you cannot make a call if you are moving. Is this correct?

nvbanker · January 2004

Well, if it is, that will be a deal breaker. I don't know how to drive if I'm not on the phone.

ljflx · January 2004

Try fleetrates.com or go yo Lexus.com and list other dealers. In NJ you can get about $4-5k off list at Ray Catena. Everyone seems to say JM Lexus in Florida is a great place to go as well.

bobbio56 · January 2004

need help with negotiating.....i have been given a totally loaded lx price of $69k....they are willing to discount $4,600...resulting in $64.4k...how does this fare? I am in the philly area...all info would be greatly appreciated...thanks!!

sponderelli · January 2004

Bought my 01 LX-470 from JM Lexus. Im ready to buy an 04 now. Ive been trying to get a competitive price quote from South FL. Lexus salespersons on an '04 LX-470 (Blk/Gray w/ Night Vision and Mark Levinson) without luck so far. According to both Edmunds and Consumer Reports, List Price is $68,280Invoice is $59,285less Dealer Holdback ($1,284) = Dealer Cost $58,001 . I did what Edmund's and CR say to do...Look up dealers cost and ask how much over invoice are you willing to take?" When price is agreed upon, have salesperson fax worksheet confirming agreed upon price plus, taxes and license. (Easier said than done.)

I checked posts from people who shopped around and bought the car, they say they paid $500. - $1700. over what the dealer paid. Any FL. salespeople willing to step up and sell a car for a fair profit?

sponderelli · January 2004

Has anyone had experience with the Night Vision option? Please tell me if you like it and if you think it is worth waiting for an LX-470 equipped with one. Thanks!

ifpsken · January 2004

I picked up an LX last week through Fleetrates and took delivery through Santa Monica Lexus (Calif). Fleetrates.com is a broker and call their fleet contacts at the dealerships. There was no disputes or frustrations, the dealer wrote up the LX at the price I received from Fleetrates.

I had also contacted my local dealer (whom I had purchased my 1998 LX from) and was told they could not beat the price I was given. They also indicated that they were not dealing much on the LX due to limited supply.

I also acquired a SP LS. That delivery was through a different dealer. Once again, no haggling on the price given to me from Fleetrates.

stever · January 2004

It sounds like the Florida litigation against Fleetrates is still on-going. Anyone know any more about it?

steve_ "Lexus GX 470: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" Nov 15, 2003 3:21pm

Steve, Host

djohnso · January 2004

To ifpsken, or anyone who has bought a car through fleetrates.com: I'm considering buying an LX through fleetrates - it's the best price I've been able to find. What was your experience like, how much were the "dealer's fees", did you pick your car up at the contracted dealer, who did you actually pay, etc.
Thanks.

oilcan2 · January 2004

Since Lexus has their own satelite you can call
any dealer and get a report faxed.

ifpsken · February 2004

Sorry that I took so long to respond to your inquiry, I was in N.Y. on business.

Both my LX & LS were delivered at the exact price quoted by Fleetrates. No hassles, no quibbling just the normal finance person asking if I want to add on LoJack, paint protection, etc....

If you have a quote from fleetrates get the dealer they referred you to FAX you a confirming quote, that will lock the dealership's price & satisfy your skepticism!

The Sport LS430 is far superior to my '99 LS400!!!

ifpsken · February 2004

Does anyone know of a successful way to remove the airbag warnings on the sun visors? The warning on my son's 2004 Subaru was painted on the visor and I am fearful that the warning is also painted on the LS & LX visors.

stever · February 2004

This comes up from time to time. There are some aftermarket visors available on the net, and some people recover the OEM visors with new fabric.

I don't recall anyone being able to remove the labels using GumOff, etc., although an Advanced Search (linked on the left) may turn up something.

Steve, Host

nvbanker · February 2004

Present company excluded, of course.

lisap4 · February 2004

I purchased a certified 2000 lexus LX470. There was a scratch in the windshield. The dealer replaced it with a new one. The dealer did not do the work, someone else came in to do it. Now you can hear wind hit the windshield. A constant blowing sound as if there is a seal problem. The dealer says that this is the design in the vehicle. I constantly check to see if the roof or other windows are open, but they are not. Anyone else have this problem.

ljflx · February 2004

I had a 2000 LX on lease until a few months ago. No wind noise whatsoever from the windshield in 3 years. I have a GX now and its got an airtight windshield as well. Sounds like a seal problem. If he doesn't fix it report it to Lexus headquarters. My dealer goes out of his way to score high with the customer and calls back within a week of any service visit to ensure everything is OK and that the customer will report their satisfaction to Lexus when the follow-up survey comes.

alvette5 · February 2004

I have a 2000 Lx 470 but its steering wheel doesnt have the nifty volume and CD controls the newer models have. Has anyone tried or thought about swapping the old steering wheels for the new ones? Will the 2000 be able to accomodate the newer ones? Any input is appreciated.

carnutinca · March 2004

Lexus blows out vehicles in December (remember all the ads) and thus dealers don't have an incentive to deal until mid to late March. Dealer pricing is based soley on inventory. Later this month should bring a better deal.

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