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Have you taken it too a different Ford shop or always the same shop to have them look at it ? Of course you know what I am going to say if you are taking it to the same shop over and over again. Also you may want to be talking to a Lawyer about this and check into the Lemon Law for ya. Ford has bought back a lot fo the 6.0L trucks, true most of them where the 03 and 04 Models but the Lemon Law is for any Vehicle. They actually bought back a truck of a guy I used to know.
One thing they may have over looked is the Head Gasket, you can check your Exhaust. If there is any Water at anytime coming out of it that is not a good sign at all. There was a guy just a couple of weeks ago it seems that had posted getting water out of his Exhaust and had told him to get it in and checked out for the Head Gasket but have not heard back to see if he found anything out. If you can not see any water coming out of the Exhaust simply stand a peice of Plywood or something like that about 3 or 4 feet from the end of your Exhaust and Riv it up high to see if it throws anything out.
Tony
Thanks for the advice. Actually, it has been to 3 different Dealers for a total of 6 times now. After reading a lot of the posts on this site, I raised a little hell when I took it back into the shop. Lo and behold...two hours later I received a phone call from the manager of the dealership "Bubba" saying "you were right, I apologize, it was a blown head gasket." However, apparently they can't just fix it, they have to get approval from Ford. Well, I am still without a vehicle and in a rental for what looks to be another 2 weeks.
The dealership is trying to get me to trade in my truck "as is" and buy a new '08. Why, so the can fix it and sell it to someone else as "almost new" or a "demo" or whatever scam they like to pull on people like me?? I said "Bite me! Fix my truck and give it back, that's all I ask." At least if I trade it in it won't have to be pulled there and I might can get a little more out of than just "as is".
By the way, I owned an '03 F250 so when I bought an '06 they gave me $5,000 off for being "A Return Customer even with all of the problems with the '03s". I was kind of confused by this because I never had any problems with it...but now I understand the comment. As far as a lawyer goes...to much trouble for what, a new truck? That may take forever to even get to that point and I am just ready to be done with this all. I'll just trade up when I get mine out of the shop, I don't wan't something for nothing. "Buyer beware" it is a vehicle, it has moving parts, eventually it is going to break (unexpextedly to me it was sooner than later, but what are ya gonna do). Too many people in this country sue over nothing, that's why we honest people have go through such hassle and jump through hoops now to get stuff fixed...even warranty work??!! Warranty work should be a "no brainer" It's broke and under warranty, no problem we'll fix it."
(Sorry, didn't mean to get preachy...I just think most lawsuits are stupid like the "Caution - Contents are HOT" they have to stamp on Coffee cup lids now.)
Thanks Again
I didn't mean run out and hire a Lawyer but just call a couple to check on the Lemon laws of your state, most will talk to you over the phone and tell you up front wheather or not if you have a case, is it worth it? Well they have to give you full retail price for you truck towards a new one even if you got your truck 10K under said Retail price in Colorado. Is this a Federal Standard on Lemon laws I have no clue as I am not a Lawyer. It's your world I am just offering a little help as I had people go through the same problem and Ford bought there trucks back.
I don't own one but i drive a 2003 F450 Super Duty Bucket Truck at my job.
A couple of months ago I was driving down the road and the truck just died. Now, unlike some of the posts I have read on here, it never would start again. To the Ford Dealer we go. This is what their breakdown of work done states:
1) Vehicle has no IPC pressure. Disassembled and ran leak test on both fuel rails. No Leaks.
2) Found ICP sensor faulty and IRP valve faulty as well. Replaced ICP and IRP. Upon recheck still has no pressure.
3) Found bad pump (Shorted by struck valve). Replaced pump.
4) Upon reassembly, fuel injector on cylinder 7 will not stay up. Replaced fuel injector.
So, $3731.00 back on the road and running fine. Still has some trouble starting in the morning. Didn't have that problem before. Also has an oil leak that it didn't have before.
You've got to remember this is a work truck with 150,000 miles on it. It runs most of the day with out shutting down. I would say its been put though some pretty rough stuff. But, that's what these trucks are built to do I suppose.
Anyway, hope anyone with starting problems finds this useful.
Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing. First Ford Dealer we took the truck to couldn't figure it out. Second one could. The first one after having it for a week called and told us the repair could not be approved through GE Fleet. I called GE personally and found this to be false. Second dealer had no "problems" with the approval. Maybe some dealerships are just better than or more experienced with working on these vehicles
Just wondering if this is not pointing to a bigger problem that hasn't shown itself?
In winter,, with cold nights down into the 50s (hehe) I do wait a bit for the glow plug light to go out--but will crank anyway if I don't wait for the light to go out.
So, I would suggest in your situation (since I don't have to use the glow plug to start up in over 60 temp) that your glow plug system is not functioning if you have to use the block heater.
Gerald
Just a guess but I am beting you don't keep Vehicles long do you. I would be shocked if you keep your truck longer than 150K miles. I have owned Diesels and ran Diesel Equipment all my life and to not let the Glow Plugs do there job is just plain nuts, the whole purpose is to Heat the Heads and although you may think 60 and 70 degree's is warm enough the motor is actually a lot hotter than that when at normal running temp's. I know what I just said was a waste of my time.
Now I am not sure who you was writing too but it sounds like whoever you was writing too it's your Glow Plug Relay which sits up on top the motor and looks like a the old Starter Relay that sits on the Right Fender Well.
Hmmmm, I do have 120,000 miles on my 04 F250 6.0 and am not a professional mechanic BUT have spent many an hour under the hood and under trucks and cars.
It is my understanding, that the small "spark plug" size glow plugs are in the cylinders to ignite the fuel/air mixture until there is enough residual heat in the block/heads to keep the combustion process going. The heat of compression with the proper engine crank speed appears to me to need help in starting the ignition process in diesels,, thus the glow plug.
I don't want to start a debate, but it appears to me that the glow plug does not have enough energy to warm up anything (especially not the heads) except the volume of air surrounding it.
I must admit, my garage temp this time of the year is probably 80+ degrees and I do normally look at my glow plug light before I try to start the engine and the time for a "cold engine" light to go off in my garage is approximately 1-2 seconds (after an overnight sit in my garage).
I was responding to the guy who said the only way his engine would start up was hooking up the block heater--which I have never had to use.
I have had my truck in freezing weather in Colorado elk hunting and it did take about 30 seconds for the glow light to go off--and I did wait for this before cranking.
I have never read/heard that the glow plug function is to heat up the cylinder heads. Are you sure about this?
Regards, Gerald
Anyway, thanks
Sorry but kind of lost in your email, how long was the motor sitting for ? And let me get this right you are putting a motor out of a 99 into the 97 right ? I it may be the Computer not work with it, I know they are pretty much the same motor but they are Different.
Tony
I don't mess with a lot of the 6.0L trucks as they are totally a piece of junk but what is the Red Line Temp for the Oil ? Yes I love that sound the Fan makes too but I don't hear mine anymore because of the Smoke Stack I have coming out of the bed of the truck now, lol.
Tony
I will look into it. I just got it back today. They had it a total of 5 weeks, I had it a total of 3 days during that time. I am going to go trade it in in Texas where I bought it but before I do, I will call a couple of lawyers and see what they say my options are.
Ford called me about a week or so ago and said that they had to special order a part (that's why it took so long to fix my truck). They said that when they opened it up to replace the head gaskets they saw that the part (whatever it was) had been broken since the factory (which is why it never did run correctly) and I have had problems with it since day one.
i thought the maximum continuous operating oil temp was 240 deg.
I honestly don't know what the Oil Temp is suppose to be, never had that one come up but I will check into it tomorrow and email you back.
Tony
The real deal is that the engine was poorly designed example: 7.3L engines have 18 head bolts and I believe the 6.0l has 10 so now we have an engine thats smaller and has been hot rodded from the factory to produce more power.
More compression, more boost and less head bolts = poor combination causing poor results, all the things that have been replaced are secondary to the real problem (pressure building up in the cooling system) causing EGR Cooler failure.
There is even Technical Bulletins that end with replacing the head gaskets however It is my opinion that the problem will re-occur and when warranty runs out you will pay for this out of pocket.
If you would like to converse more I am considering a Law Suit against Ford I have a 2006 F-250 6.0L with 55,000 miles and it is at the dealer right now and they tell me it needs a coolant tank.
Please pass this on, respond, get the word out, if I get enough response I will launch a web.
Anthony
Please keep me posted.
Thanks,
Anthony
Nick
International should know better its a pretty dramatic difference when you look at previous engine designs and see three or four bolts on both sides of the cylinder bore then look at the 6 liter engine and see two, just not enough clamping power
More compression, more boost and less head bolts = poor combination causing poor results, .
There is even Technical Bulletins that end with replacing the head gaskets however It is my opinion that the problem will re-occur and when warranty runs out you will pay for this out of pocket.
If you would like to converse more I am considering a Law Suit against Ford I have a 2006 F-250 6.0L with 55,000 miles and it is at the dealer right now.
Please pass this on, respond, get the word out, if I get enough response I will launch a web site.
Anthony
There are a very few that didn't have any problems with the 6.0L motor, and I do mean very few so my advice to you is run very fast the other way from it and save your self the headache. If you really want a Diesel and want a newer one then look for a 03 that still had the 7.3L which is kind of hard or a good 02, there is actually a lot of them out there as most yuppies that bought them only got them and never actually used them, most beds are cleaner then the inside of my truck and not even a scratch in them. Anyway good luck in your search and what you are looking for.
Tony
thanks for the advice.
Nick
Anyway, pull the chip before you buy an expensive ECM. The dealer tried to charge me a restocking fee for the ECM they ordered but I wouldn't stand for it and they backed down.
Hope this post helps someone.
PS: Anyone using a Superchip???? I found them on the internet and might replace the bad one.
Tony
Tell me how to get the word out and I will help out in any way I can. I know I am just a silly girl, but there are plenty of us out there that are getting screwed over by Ford and don't know any better. Fortunately, I happened upon this website and all of ya'lls help and suggestions. If nothing else, I am always up for a good underdog battle against the corporate giants with fat pockets that will try to wait and starve the little guys out. I have nothing but free time on my hands and love to do research (including legal loopholes) I am a stickler for tedious details that most people overlook.
Thanks!
Brian Johnson
bajohnson1@gmail.com
Ford buyers beware 6.0L a defective engine.
Please read below it is a prior posting, I would like to add that I have talked with other people that have had their EGR Cooler, Fan Clutch, Coolant Tank and Cap, and Head Gaskets in that order in my case it also needed a cylinder head.
What does Cyl. Head on National backorder tell you?
Others I have spoke with have had their vehicle bought back by Ford, they are limited in what they will share beyond the fence post because Ford makes them sign a non disclosure agreement as part of the buyback.
How do you spell "COVERUP" ?
When you go to the Dealer for warranty they act like your the only one having a problem they even told me they couldn't find anything wrong this last visit I had to tell them I wasn't going to take the truck till it was fixed.
I can assure you this is the big deal that has knocked Ford out of the #1 Truck slot.
"Ford’s claims that Super Duty pickups with the 6.0L diesel could not be repaired. The auto maker said it had to buy back the trucks from customers."
See article http://wardsauto.com/ar/ford_diesel_navistar/
Anthony
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The real deal is that the engine was poorly designed example: 7.3L engines have 18 head bolts and I believe the 6.0l has 10 so now we have an engine thats smaller and has been hot rodded from the factory to produce more power.
More compression, more boost and less head bolts = poor combination causing poor results, all the things that have been replaced are secondary to the real problem (pressure building up in the cooling system) causing EGR Cooler failure.
There are even Technical Bulletins that end with replacing the head gaskets however It is my opinion that the problem will re-occur and when warranty runs out you will pay for this out of pocket.
If you would like to converse more I am considering a Law Suit against Ford I have a 2006 F-250 6.0L with 55,000 miles and it is at the dealer right now and they tell me it needs a coolant tank.
Please pass this on, respond, get the word out, if I get enough response I will launch a web.
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I am in California flew in friday from Wyoming in to pick my truck and it is still not ready
I will send you an email address at the end of the week when I get back to Wyoming don't buy yet.
Anthony
I have flushed the radiator and entire water coolant system. I have also replaced the fuel filter. This is really bugging me, because I do not have a lot of money nor the time to take it to the shop. Any suggestions on what my be the problem?
I am still driving it each day, my drive time is under 15 minutes on normal commute, unless traffic trouble. Then I will have to let it sit froa few minutes and then it will work for a few miles, then act up again. It is quite frustrating. As I am not to engine savy. Any suggestions? I have heard when a fuel pump goes out, it normally just quits completely. Someone said the truck has two fuel pumps. Does this sound like a problem from oneof them? I am lost, so any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Steve
Start with making sure you have no water in your Fuel, there is a Yellow Tab that you move to the left at the bottom of where your Fuel Filter is. It's on the Bottom left side of it, it may move to the Right, one way or the other, lol. Next normally if it's the Cam Sensor they usually won't keep running once they go out but maybe you have one that is acting up. Ford just had a Recall on all those from like 96 to 03 with 7.3L Motor, if you haven't had your's replace just take it to any Ford Dealer and they will run your Vin and Replace it for FREE then have them drive it for 20 minutes or so to make it stays running which they should do for no charge as well.
Fuel pump is kind of like the Cam Sensor as once it goes out it normally won't run.
If those 2 things don't work just write back.
Tony
If any of you remember seeing that hose, i'd like you to email me. It was a perfect u-shape, 3/4" i.d. hose. thanks.