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Where do you tow your trailer- distance, elevation, speed, hills/ grade? Pulls nicely you say?
I have a good ($25K) deal on a 2004 4x4 5.3L Avalanche, but I like the Navigator better- 5 more horsepower, 30 more ft-lbs torque, but shorter wheel base than Avalanche. Will probably pull shorter (14'), lighter (3000# horse trailer and usu. 1 horse 1100#) once per week, 200 miles round trip, 90% on flat highways of CA, sometimes into foothills up to 3000'.
Thanks,
Ron
1.) They say there are 9 speakers in this vehicle...where?
2.) The dealership sublets the installation of the Sirius radio add-on to another individual. Any idea how and where the antenna for this looks and where is it mounted?
3.) I got the blk ext. w/ light gray int. how do you keep this clean?
4.) Anyone got the bluetooth accessory for a phone and how do you like it?
The vehicle for the most part is great. My wife really enjoys it, seeing how she wouldn't let me get an '05 E500.
Marty
2) if it's like the others I've seen it will be at the top of the rear hatch. It's about 6-8 inches long and 4 inches wide and is either black or painted to match. You've seen them on other vehicles but probably didn't realize what they were.
3) Leather cleaner/conditioner. Shouldn't be a problem.
4) check the Acura TL forum - they've had it for almost a year now. There are issues with interoperability of certain phones and some problems with voice commands.
5) the reverse mirror tilt feature was apparently discontinued but I don't remember why. Check back on this forum or the Aviator forum.
I wonder if it'll impress me to the point of wanting to stick with the gator for a couple more years. Smoother, quicker, no more flapping molding (I HOPE), improved sound system... we'll see.
Also, I'm hoping in late December Lincoln will be "giving" these luxo busses away like they are now ($6,500 in total factory rebates -on top of the best deal I can get through my dealer -- that's what's being offered for me to get out of my lease right NOW and into an '04). I don't want an '04 though, and the three lease payments I have left eat up too much potential savings... I'd rather wait.
Decisions, decisions!!!
Thanks ANT.
I really hope I can tell a difference with the new engine.. my 03 navi just doesn't run as smooth as I'd like it to. I guess I want the impossible in a vehicle this large... an ultra-smooth, tight, and lightning-fast/responsive isolation chamber while on the freeway.
I guess vehicles this large will always have their trade-offs.
Plus the old 4V version require you to work the accelerator harder to make it breathe higher, which allowed it to gain it's power up high. This new version will not need to work as much, hence, Better fuel economy.
But does this mean this same engine in an Expedition will require Premium as well??? And if not, what the heck is going on? Same engine, isn't it?
My Aviator has the 4.6L 300 hp and requires Premium but the Explorer 4.6L does not. But it only makes 260 hp.
There could be some other reason also as ANT implied.
But let's get real folks - you're talking about $3-$4 per week on average. You probably waste that much on soda or bottled water or coffee or junk food. And it's the same price difference regardless of whether regular is $1.49 or $2.49 - it's still a difference of $0.20 per gallon.
Next year Explorer receives the 3V version of the 4.6L that's debuted in the new Mustang.
Just goes to show you there's a lot of room for tuning an engine. That's over 80 hp difference for the same displacement. Not counting superchargers.
This year in the Expy, it loses the 4.6L, and the sole engine will be the 5.4L 3V making 300HP, same one as the F-150.
Usually when you DOHC a V8 engine, you can extract anywhere from 25-40HP (more if you increase the compression which would require premium). And when you place a full dual exhaust system, you can gain 10-20HP approx. (difference between the Explorer's 4.6L and Mustang's 4.6L).
Interesting note: there's very few (if any) DOHC V8 engined passenger cars under $30K. In fact, I believe the Marauder and Mustang SVT Cobra were some recently departed one's. (Not couting trucks/SUV's since those make higher profits in their less complex engineering, that offset the engine cost).
The new generation of 3V's 4.6L, 5.4L and 6.8L allows the engine to accomplish DOHC power, with better fuel efficiency, less complexity, and less cost to build. Hence, why 3V will/has replace/d Mustangs 4.6L, Explorer 4.6L, Expy 5.4L, Navi Intech 5.4L, etc.etc.
And I had a 5.4L expedition so I should have remembered.
Thanks for setting the record straight.
But yes, the 260HP 5.4L, originally started at 230HP when it first debuted in th Expy back in 97-98. Through the years it has grown in performance, and as seen in the GT (4V), it can produce 550HP with a Supercharger.
Each application is different, and tuned different. Which explains why the Mazda6 3.0L makes 220HP, not like the 500's 3.0L, and why the Ranger's 2.3L I4 is rated at 135HP when the same engine makes 160HP in the Mazda3. etc.etc.
Why does the 05 Navigator require Premium, if it has the same engine as the Expedition which requires regular, and produces the same HP output? It's not that I mind paying for the Premium, and I always do, btw, I just want to know with the 3V - what's the difference between the two applications for 05?
My "parting gift" is that I get to purchase a new vehicle before he leaves to replace my Ford Explorer. It was an older model that accelerated on its own, going up to 100 mph before I panicked, hit the brakes, & caused it to flip over 7 or 8 times.
I mention these two things because A:) I dont TRUST vehicles as I did before and want something I can feel safe in and B:)I dont have that "Manly advice" you can get from your husband about which vehicle to pick-LOL.
I've picked through many old threads here as fast as my VERY OLD COMPUTER & MODEM will allow but cant seem to find a "great" reason to pick the Aviator or Navigator over each other??
I see "whining noise" mentioned on the Aviator, not enough "Power" on the Navigator.....
It would be nice to have a quiet vehicle. I am very short, myself, only have two kids, and now, no husband, so I dont NEED the larger Navigator....
If my finances will allow either a 2004 Aviator or a 2003-2004 Navigator is there any definitive reason to favor one over another?
Are there many features that are not in the Aviator that make the Navigator more "worthwhile?"
I obviously would love the Roll Stability feature because I have no desire to watch the world go upside down again but it seems that feature is hard to find?
Lastly, and this question may yell out "Car Ignorance" but why is it that the MSRP for the 2005 Aviators is not much more than the 2004?
Thank you in advance for your help. I hope someone can post just the right remark to help me make a decision one way or the other. I just know they are both GORGEOUS on the inside and if I need to replace my car I want to be looking at that Gorgeous polished Nickel!!!
Barbara
Does anybody have any info to offer before I make my decision on this potentially important issue? Thanks!
I would not hesitate to go with 2wd if you don't need 4wd capability. There are far more parts to worry about that are more serious than a droopy front (which I'm still not sure I believe).
As for the nose diving, it has to be completely dramatic, full body weight thrusting upon the brake pedal to cause such an action. And if so, it levels itself quickly and will hardly be detectable to anyone or the driver. We aren't talking about the nose diving, chin scraping nose diving commonly found on Caddy's, Buicks of the 70's either. And if the actual driver of such a vehicle is able to accomplish that in such a vehicle, they should have bought a sports car, NOT an SUV.
Consumer Reports free on-line article said that not all HID headlights are better than their non-HID counterparts. I don't know if the magazine has rated the Navigator's HID's or not.
Finally, I've heard that they might be a theft target. I would hate to have that happen since I carry a high deductible, not to mention the inconvenience of having to take it in to get the bulb replaced.
Any comments?
By the way, the replies about the 4 wheel drive versus 2 wheel drive and the springs were just what I needed to hear. I'm so grateful. It makes me want to go help somebody else.
Okay, back to the door--it's Halloween.
Steve, Host
One other question--I've seen the brake dust on the front wheels of a few Navigators around here, so I was wondering, do all the 2WD Navigators come with the same kind of brakes or does it depend on the type of wheels you get? (Sorry, if that's a dumb question, but I told you all I'm not the least bit mechanically savvy.)
Very grateful for any information that anybody can share!
Why not just turn the engine on every few minutes or leave it running? The seats alone won't keep you cool if it's really hot.
Any opinions or advice about '05 Navigator buying and ownership? I am in the process of buying one, choosing color, options, etc. I'm looking for an Ultimate w/ all the options except chrome wheels and in my area it seems that most of the "loaded" models on the lots are either black or Cashmere Tri-Coat.
I've tried to like the Cashmere color but it just looks odd to me--unless I see it in very bright sunlight. Any other time of day it's somehow "flat" looking.
Any advice on factory DVD versus aftermarket twin big screen w/ extra "bells and whistles" like 115 volt outlets, etc.? I know that it would be nice to have the DVD covered by the bumper to bumper warranty but the screen is smallish and being willing to accept one w/o DVD would bring more vehicles into the choices.
I had the factory VHS system installed in my 99 expedition back in 2000 when my kids were 11 and 5. We used it for a few months and hardly ever turned it on again. I traded it last year for an Aviator and we did not opt for the DVD system.
Nowadays you can get portable players for $300 that can be used anywhere, so you might want to consider that.