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Luxury is determined by appointments, feel and quality of craftmanship. The leather in the Azera feels very, very nice for a car that costs less than $30K. The seats are rather cushy (some like and some don't). Details such as the stitching on the seats, the way the wood grain doesn't overwhelm the cabin. Rear power sun shade to keep the sun off rear riding passengers that you find in cars costing well above $30K.
I agree with you on this. Azera has some, not all, but does a good job of what features it does offer, value. The only true comparison between an Azera and a LS460 is that they are both "large sedans".
Luxo. sedans don't have design flaws either, such as a passenger windshield wiper that can't be lifted without chipping the hood paint.
There is one design flaw on the LS460, it may be able to parallel park itself, but certain variables must exist for it to happen. It can't parallel park itself in every situation. However, that's not even luxury, that's just technogadgetry.
A windshield wiper that wasn't thought out fully really doesn't affect driver or passenger comfort. Yes, it's a design flaw and a rather minor one at that. I would say point out the front end suspension clunk that plagued the earlier model Azeras, but...that seems to have been taken care of.
Again I say, the commercial wasn't to compare directly to the LS460, just show that there is a viable option out there for those of us that can't afford the likes of the LS460 or the GS line for that matter.
For the sake of an argument, why compare the obvious?
A truly sensless commercial is the one with the Lexus (I believe) driving around making sharp starts, stops and turns with a ball bearing rolling all over the place and not coming off. A real world driver has no need to push a vehicle in that manner, so what's the point of showing it can be done?
Also, the others, including the LS are smaller cars inside.
Is the decision to group cars based on price alone or perceived prestige or something else? :shades:
The car was delivered at Thanksgiving last year and has 1800 miles on it. (CXL)
A friend who owns a Lucerne had to have the same thing repaired.
The Maxima can't even be hyped anymore at this point, it's getting beat up by it's little brother (Altima). The only thing holding the Altima back is it's size!
I'm afraid that some will always look at the Azera as aspiring to "nuevo riche," not to be permitted entry into the automotive country club... :shades:
Hey, at least the valet (who I can now afford to pay) seems impressed... :P
Unfortunately...since they won't simply let it in, the Azera is going to have to kick the door down on it's own! LOL
now in reference to safety lexus beats Azera in IIHS rating
Maybe you need a new prescription???
I hate to break it to you, but there are numbers in the Azera column that are larger than the ones in the LS460 column. :surprise:
The Avalon has a few numbers that are larger and a few that are smaller, so we have to call that one a draw between the Azera and the Avalon.
The Maxima only has one number that's a hair larger and their equal on one as well...advantage, Azera!
you'll have a hard time getting me to bite on this one and I believe yu will find that the new LS is significantly larger than either the Azera (or Avalon FTM) not to mention about double the price which I am supposed to believe 'had no influence'?
As for the Infiniti, the interior is way small and the Big Dial just duplicates what the buttons on either side do.
I'm 5'7" and 165 lbs and I found the Infiniti, Avalon and Lexus small.
Did check out the GS and LS, but they seem to be getting smaller, more reliability issues and the metal is thiner.
Did check out the GS and LS, but they seem to be getting smaller, more reliability issues and the metal is thiner.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Metal is thiner? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ROTFLOLx1000!!!
Note to myself: From now on I'll just take scbob's post as "joke of the day"...
While the previous versions of the GS and LS were larger inside, the new ones are not.
Also, have no idea what all the letters mean. Say what you mean, please. Maybe I should keep my opinions to myself, rather than sharing them.
I am 6' 290 (pure muscle ) and feel extremely comfortable in my '06 Avalon. Honestly out of all things ever said about the Avalon I have never heard complaints of a small interior. Actually, I would think that the Av may have one of the largest interiors in a 4 door sedan except for (maybe) the Ford 500/Taurus.
P.S. Louiswei's acronym: ROTFLOLx1000!!! = rolling on the floor laughing out loud times 1000!!!.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
You're right, there is a positive and a negative spin that can be placed on all that's seen...depending on the individual. My problem is when someone uses factual information to prove something, and prove nothing at all.
I also can't stand it when someone quotes something found in a single publication and tries to use that as the statement that IS. Alexstore has this thing about Maximas and he truly wants it to be something it's not. The Maxima was and is NOT a luxury vehicle. I have read a lot of things about the Maxima over the years and the only one I can think of that would have come close to luxury for its time would be the Maxima of the mid-late 80's (you know, the square body style). I had a buddy that owned one and back then, when it came out...it was the closest thing to entry level luxury that you could get. Since then, the Maxima has evolved into a sports sedan and that's what it remains to this day.
You want examples of luxury sport sedans? BMW, Infinti, Lexus, MB, Cadillac...
Okay..NOW I can take my deep breath!
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$31 for a loaded Azera??? Where were you shopping? You can get the Limited with the Ultimate package for around $27K.
It would also appear that the large majority of Azzy owners (posting of this forum) feel the need to extoll the virtues of the car they selected (myself included). I am not sure that the level of owner loyalty and intensity is as high for other makes of sedan that are discussed in this forum. For example, most Avalon owners know that their car is generally highly regarded (deservedly so) and while they will be happy to dispute any claim that an Azera is better than an Avalon, they seem less sensitive about a comment that an Azera might be the equivalent of the Avalon or even better regarding a particular dimension or feature (as long as the Avalon is the perceived overall winner).
We underdog unappreciated Azzy owners are willing to jump into the fray at the least provocation. Maybe a couple of years more of Hyundai quality cars and the the release of even more upscale models will change that, but for now, our feathers are easily ruffled and attack mode is just a key stroke away.
I was talking MSRP. If I recall the actual # was $30,600.
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Why not? I am not saying that I believe in it but I would think that many do even if they won't admit it. How many things do people buy that cost more money but aren't really any better except for the name? The clothing industry immediately comes to mind.
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My comments are based on six months of research and test drives. In addition, I own/owned Toyotas and almost bought an Avalon until the latest version came out. Another problem was the difficulty in finding one with ESC the way I wanted it. Also have friends who owned Toyotas. Most very good, but some were terrible.
Tested the Lexus and negotiated with five different dealers. Every time I got into the car or looked at the brochure and compared it to Azera, it just wasn't there.
I would love to get a Lexus, if it looked like it was worth $40 - 75,000 and had the features that I want.
Sometimes, it is a matter of where you place the steering column and the size of the console. A reputable magazine review(not me Louiswei) said the Infiniti G35 seating is smaller because of the width of the console.
Front Headroom 40.2 in. 38.8 in.
Rear Headroom 38.2 in. 37.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room 57.9 in. 59.4 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 57.1 in. 58.2 in.
Front Hip Room 55.5 in. 55.8 in.
Rear Hip Room 55.1 in. 56.2 in.
Front Leg Room 43.7 in. 41.3 in.
Rear Leg Room 38.2 in. 40.9 in.
This is taken from right here at Edmunds. It must be the extra headroom that makes the Azera seem bigger. They are really close in every dimension.
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However, another thing that can change the perception of size when it comes to the interior is the color itself. Darker colors swallow everything up and make it seem smaller inside, lighter colors make it seem more open. More light shining in also makes it seem larger as well. If I recall, the windows on the Avalon seem to sit a little higher compared to the Azera. I don't think the glass surface is as tall (side windows).
If you go to the car reviews you will notice vehicles like the buick lacrosse they will compare them to chrysler 300c, avalon, and maxima. If you go to review for the maxima on the other hand they will compare it to the bmw 3 series and some of the higher end more luxurious vehicles.
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This is a big thing as I wouldn't want a navigation system that can be confusing and unnecessary safety hazard. Some people want a navigation system and I don't know why korean or americans cars don't have this.
Personally, having more than one car in my family, I would prefer a portable nav system.
Most everyone that posts here on Edmunds.com is not your "average or typical" car buyer. I think the majority of car buyers in the USA buy based on image, perception, marketing, and what their friends recommend, not by conducting logical side-by-side comparisons and substantial research. Many are frankly clueless when it comes to buying a car, because they are generally technically uninformed.
You may well be right. OTOH, sometimes I feel in danger of suffering from information overload. I can only hope that all of the time spent reading and comparing various cars will pay-off in the end.
Sometimes, I remember back in "olden" times when we just bought cars based on how "cool" it was perceived to be (Mustang??), or if we needed a great way to "See the USA". I do not recall ANY of us obsessing about the tactile feel of plastics or how powerful our headlights were. "Stability control" was a function of the drivers expertise (or lack of).
Most of us really knew very little about the inevitable quirks and follies of the cars we bought until afterward. Somehow we all survived the trauma, and incredibly enough, most of us were happy with what we bought.
A far simpler time that, of course, cannot be repeated.
The simple solution to this issue is to purchase a portable GPS unit. I have a Garmin Nuvi 660 which provides me with Bluetooth for hands free cell phone usage and I can use it in my Jeep Cherokee and take it along on trips to use in rental cars.