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Did your Touring come with ever available option??? I'm just asking because that is was I plugged in.
The Avalon just costs more when it comes to paying for it. If you got the same financing terms on both vehicles, say 2.9% and no money down...the difference between the two car notes would be maybe $40-$50/mo. So in that respect, it costs more to own a Toyota simply because it costs more initially.
My Touring BTW has about the only 2 options on it that were available at the time - a sunroof and a stereo upgrade, VSC wasn't an option at the time (thankfully). I paid $30.3K plus tax and title which also included a $1200.00 dealer 'profit pump' option package. It was only a few hundred off of sticker (or about $2 grand OVER invoice) - back in the spring of 2005, Avalons were hard to find and in high demand - if for no other reason than the 2GR engine that it came with. Unbeatable FE and power - something that still hasn't changed, 3 model years later!
The price you paid doesn't change the resale value, it changes the amount you end up losing in the end.
Yes...when a company starts offering huge discounts and incentives...THAT can affect the resale value of the car because the initial new car value is driven down. However, for the sake of an argument. Say someone goes in to buy a new Taurus today and pays $28K for it with no incentives or discounts. Then someone else goes a month later and buys the very same model and gets that $6K discount and pays only $22K for it. If the car is only worth $18K after 3 years, who do you think is taking the bigger hit? I mean, the first person paid $30K, but that doesn't mean he'll get more back than the person that only paid $22K for it.
I mean...say you have A1 credit and you get financed at 2.9% and someone walks in with jacked up credit and gets slapped with 19% on the interest rate (personally, he/she would be a fool to buy a $30K car at 19%). Do you see what I'm saying? Those calculations that are offered are for that perfect world, not the real world.
So...if you were able to get all the options available, the price would have been closer to that $34K mark I mentioned.
I think we're finally getting close here - the reason why they don't ask is because they don't care and they KNOW what they can get for it reselling it. On late model trades specifically, what they can get for it is directly related to what a new one costs and that number continually changes as the manufacturers change their prices to meet market conditions. The cheaper anything gets to buy new, the more the resale value must suffer - and yes the opposite can be true as well.
of course not, although what you and everybody else pays for something does have a whole lot to do with what you and everybody else might be willing to pay for it with a few thousand miles on it. Enough of this, this conversation is definitely going in circles
The Avalon Touring BTW will sticker for $35k if you include a now $4k option package that now includes NAV (as well as the sound system upgrade and sunroof), something also recently made available. I would imagine, given the Avalon's popularity and the dealer's propensity to take advantage of such things, that it is probably hard to find one that you are not starting to 'work down' from $36 or $37.
That is what I was going on...like I said, I was using a fully loaded Azera vs. a fully loaded Avalon.
Personally, I only paid $26,081 for my Azera. At the time, deals weren't available because I bought when it first came out. Considering that fact and the fact that they were talking about it would retail for close to $30k. I'm don't feel bad for paying what I paid.
To be honest, I didn't feel like I took too much of a bath when I traded my '02 Sonata in for the Azera. I paid $16,800 for it and at trade in 4 years/105k miles later...I got $5K for it. Considering the mileage and the fact that it had been in a small fender bender (damage was repaired). I think I did okay!
and THAT is all that really counts- isn't it?
With a $17,900 (MSRP in the $19s) 1996 Accord LX (mid-level 4-cyl Auto), I think I could still get $4k by selling privately. I have 175,000 miles on it. That makes an extra $2,000 drop for 6 years and 73,000 miles of driving. A friend of mine was asking $4,000 for his 1994 with 201,000 miles. It has been in two wrecks as well; one that opened the airbags.
I REALLY am not trying to open this old can of worms, just pointing out how things like resale can still make a difference. Hopefully (and I'd guess PROBABLY) your Azera will fare better.
I'd be the seller, not the buyer!!!
It's amazing what people will pay for an old Honda in good condition. It still delivers 27-28MPG in mixed driving, although lately I'm down to 24 MPG (my commute has added a lot more city driving).
All accessories work with the exception of the Right Rear PDL, and it runs to 6,000 RPM with the smoothness of a car half its age.
I wouldn't buy it, but check the papers, I wouldn't be the only one asking this kind of money. I read in the Birmingham News where one was for sale, a 1997 LX with 161k miles. They were asking $4,695.
CRAZY! But good news for me, right?
Yes, Birmingham, Alabama. And it depends on your idea of crazy. We're a red state, are part of the bible belt, and revolve around the Alabama and Auburn football seasons for three months out of the year.
So, are we crazy? That's for you to decide. (Yes, I voted Republican for governor [haven't gotten to vote for a Pres. yet), yes, I'm a Born-Again Christian who attends a Southern-Baptist church, and yes, there is a University of Alabama tag on the front of my Honda!).
I'm not here to preach though, so I won't go into any of those three subjects since they're unrelated here!
I agree, I hope they keep putting pressure on the rest of the auto makers because we will all benefit from better cars. Just look at some of GM's new offerings (Acadia triplets, Aura, Malibu, CTS) light years ahead of anything they have offered in 15 years. I am also anxiously awaiting the Hyundai Genesis, if it is as good as all the hype they will have a winner.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
If I had sold privately...I could have probably gotten $6,500 for it! *grin*
Honestly, I'm not worried about the resale value on my Azera...I plan on keeping it till the wheels fall off.
Just curious about what this, and old Accords have to do with "Mainstream Full Size Sedans". Neither belong here.
Neither belong here."
Couldn't agree more! Gee wiz . . Patricia and/or Karen must be on vacation together. :confuse:
Those who feel like comments are off-topic really don't help things by adding more off-topic comments.
Let's get back to the subject.
Then again, I am toying with the idea of possibly trading it in on the new Genesis when they finally hit the showrooms. It's a hard choice because I really do love my Azera (not to mention, it's paid for too). Living with no car note is SWEET!!!
Just did another drive (Denver-KC). Got 29+MPG at a fairly steady 75+ speed, so not quite in the Avalon category. I would have expected about 30-31 under similar circumstance (based on my old AV). But boy, is it a nice ride, and I do like the ESC (electronic stability control) on the Azera. But, I had the VSC on my Avalon, too.
I have a good friend back in KC that has an 06 Chry 300. He will not be appearing on this forum to discuss the merits of his purchase. Although under warranty, it has been in for transmission problems, numerous squeaks and rattles, and a broken trunk lock. Other than that, he likes the looks, lol.
The ceramic pads just do a better job of keeping brake dust off the wheels and they last a bit longer than the semi-metallic ones too. I had used them on my Sonata and they never proved to be a problem. Some folks will tell you that they will tear the rotors up. They can, but you would have to be doing some extreme driving to make that happen.
I only paid $24 for the rear ceramic brake pads from an internet store Rock Auto Auto Parts If I recall, the front ceramic pads were like around $40 for the set.
Replacing them was a snap...took longer to jack the car up and remove the wheel than it did to loosen the caliper, swap the pads and put the caliper back on!
V8 rumble eh? Go try Nissan's VQ35. Want a high screaming V6? Honda has that taken care of. Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you. With cases like these, I just don't see the point of "low feature" V8s anymore.
They are a selling point. The old mine is bigger than yours theory. There are several people who just don't realize what a modern V6 is capable of. Just look back through this discussion. It has come up plenty of times. The V8 does have one advantage over the modern V6s: low end torque. I will always contend that the V6s spool up faster and its a wash.... but different strokes. The FE penalty for the V8 doesn't make up for its benefit IMO.
"Don't like both but want ultimate refinement? Toyota's 2GR is the one for you"
Absolutely
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
A 2007 Kia Amanti with the following options, (packages); ---Gl Pkg.,KP Pkg., SR Pkg., & EC Pkg. has an MSRP of $31,575, INVOICE of $28,550 and a TMV, (less $1,000 rebate), of $28,346
QUESTION: ---- You can purchase an XLE - V6 Toyota Camry for almost the same amount, and have a better resale value after three (3) years of ownership. Why purchase the Kia Amanti????? Please educate me!!!!!
Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades: :confuse:
Is it as good as the fully loaded Azera which has approximately the same MSRP even
when equipped with the extra cost Powered Pearl White finish at $200 extra,
but can be purchased for approximately $2K less than the Kia Amanti.
The Kia probably does suffers more than the Azera when it comes to resale value.
You are most likely correct when you talk about the better resale value of the XLE Camry after
three years, BUT remember this: You must live with that Camry for those three years!
I'm hearing that most T's are not as dependable as they once were.
Also, I do not believe that the new Camry will run as well as the Azera, nor is it as nice to begin with.
Your choice for sure. It is entirely up to you.
I assume you are a Toyota owner, and from your Camry vs. Azera/Amanti posts, you seem to be a Camry owner. I think a lot of people have already told you the differences between the three cars. You might want to lay off infecting the Camry in this thread with your bias, unless this is your way justifying the price you paid for your Camry
And just to reiterate, the Camry really doesn't have any place in this discussion thread. Is it mainstream large sedans? Nope.
If you brought up to Sonata, or the current Accord (without the sunroof), you might have some qualifications, as they are classified as large sedans.
Are we going to see any more Camry vs. [insert large sedans here]?
I reviewed you posting with great interest. Kindly be advised that I have parked my 2007 Camry XLE side by side with a 2007 Toyota Avalon, and there is very little difference in the size, or the avaiable cabin room when comparing the two vehicles. Yes, the Avalon looks better in terms of trim, but the XLE is also a very nice vehicle. Comparing a XLE Camry to an Amanti or an Azera is valid! I would strongly suggest that you look at the two vehicles side by side, and then "get back to me"!
Best regards. ------ Dwyane :shades: :confuse:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Prior to purchasing the 2007 Camry, I took a test ride in a Sonata. It was a nice vehicle, but it was not of the same quality as the Camry. The Camry is more like a Lexus.
Just my opinion. ----Best regards. ----- Dwayne :shades:
I have a friend , who has 07 camry xle. Great car, excellent engine but there are thing missing in it for example memory seats. Large cars back few years ago had this option.
Again, if space is high on the purchase criterion, which I imagine the case for most large sedan prospective shoppers, the Camry wouldn't even make the list, the Avalon would. If you hadn't notice the difference in size, then it may be time to have a look. The price of a Camry XLE maybe similar to that of an Azera, an Amanti, or others, but I can also get a minivan, a truck, a CUV/SUV, for similar pricing. This is why automakers build different entries in different segments. Do cross-shopping happen? of course, but the majority generally shop within the same segment - Azera, Amanti, Avalon, Five Hundred/Taurus, and other LARGE sedans.