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Even though Hyundai's 10yr/100K isn't transferrable, the next owner still gets the 5yr/50K warranty...which is still better than some new car warranties.
Eventually...Toyota and Honda will jump on board because the new thing is taking the worry of having to spend money on a major repair at some point down the road. Let the buyer just concentrate on paying the car note and leave the rest to them. Watch, you'll see.
Well, for one thing CX/CXL the Lucerne is at least 500# heavier and is more of a full size vehicle. If I were to buy a Lucerne it would be the CXS with the Northstar V8, but that's just me. FWIW, I drove a Bonneville with the 3800 for several years as a salesman. Heavy city traffic along with banging up and down the Jersey turnpike, GS parkway and similar roads with lots of nutty high speed traffic. While the Bonneville was never a "Boy-Racer" it certainly had enough grunt (not especially polished) when I needed it. Would have to ask how many people who constantly harp on that old engine have actually driven it.
A convenient (and rather amusing) spin - the fact is that all these mfgrs. that offer these rather ridiculous warranties (of questionable value) only do so to sell cars and universally have had perceived or actual quality problems in the past. Do you really think that BMW, for example, goes so far as to even cover scheduled maintanence - because they want to OR that just possibly BMW realized they were losing sales because the consumer (rightfully) thought them to be troublesome and expensive to repair? Or Chrysler goes 'unlimited' because their cars are so good, that they have faith that the Charger, for example, won't have any major problems at 10 years and say 300k? Give me a break - they all do it to temper buyer concerns about quality. Spin it whatever way you wish but it sure would be interesting to see how many cars Hyundai sold if they didn't have that warranty. Last time I checked Toyota, Honda, and even Nissan were not having too many problems selling cars, when and if they ever do, it will be because those brands have lost their luster and I'm sure they may resort to longer warranties. IOf anything, a long warranty is more indicative of suspect quality NOT high quality.
When BTW do you think that Toyota, Honda and Nissan changed any warranty policies, which have been 3/36- 5/60 for many many years. Those three only constitute maybe 90% of the cars sold - I guess they don't qualify as 'everybody'? And yep, if VW beat Hyundai to the warranty punch that would also be to relieve (some justified) buyer concerns. Sound familiar? 'Putting their money where their mouth is' indeed - only because they HAVE TO.
I guess there is no satisfying you. You complained that Hyundai's warranty wasn't transferable. I pointed out that under the CPO program it is. Then you complain about buying other people's problems, a position I hope you would fairly apply to all used/pre-owned vehicles, not just Hyundai. What do you actually want Hyundai to do? :confuse:
as I think many of us would if gas prices were lower - the point is -why should we have to? - just put a 'competitive' V6 in the thing in the first place - not something that is 50 years old - its not like the 'right' engine doesn't exist or even that Buick doesn't make some good use of it in other models. If labor contracts are forcing GM to keep the plant running, do what Ford did - buy out the employees and open another plant in China, Canada or Mexico. It may not be real good for our economy, but at least we'll see better cars!
BTW, somehow I just can't imagine anybody that hasn't had the 'pleasure' of driving a GM sedan without the ubiqitous 3.8 - it's been around that long - and always has offered right at about 200 hp except for those forays into force feeding the poor thing.
As for long warranty periods, they are simply a marketing tool. Nothing else. If GM was in Toyota's shoes, I doubt, you'd see a 100k warranty. A transferable lifetime warranty would be suicide.
You know...I would rather have a company show me that they are willing to stand behind it rather than deal with the hassles of a company that is supposed to produce such a wonderful product hassle a customer when it's brought in with a problem.
My local Hyundai dealer is wonderful, and treats me with respect, as they know my mechanical aptitude. I think some here truly underestimate Hyundai, as I am also a current Honda (2005 Accord) and Toyota (2007 Camry) owner. Oh, and what hassles?? I've never been hassled once by Hyundai or the dealer - not so with Honda and Toyota. You don't even want to hear what I've been through with the 2007 Camry. Unless you've owned or currently own a Hyundai, you really don't have a basis for bashing the company.
Exactly, a s/s gas tank and changed out fuel system pieces hoses, gaskets etc.), slighty modified engine computers. 2 things that not too many people know - the Ford Model T was one of the first 'flex fuel' vehicles - that way so farmers could 'brew' their own fuel at a time when we didn't have a gas station on every corner, and our erstwhile government in its PC effort to encourage E85 development only counts the 15% dino fuel consumed in FE calculations leaving us with things like 35 mpg pick up trucks and 50mpg sedans as least as far as CAFE is concerned - the opposite being true of course - that 15mpg truck might get closer to 10 mpg on E85, which actually costs about 50 cents/gallon more than regular after you consider that subsidy that we all pay for. It's a crock like many of those other things that our politicians know nothing about...
The fact of the matter re automotive warrantee is: regardless of the manufacturer or whoever, almost every engine made today will far exceed any of the "limits" placed on them. They will, with care, all pass more than 150,000 mi without any major problems so all of the "imaginations" involved are rather moot. The wool has been pulled over the eyes of the public for so long, that we all expect more for nothing. Take whatever you have, care for it..and the chances are you will be able to "run the wheels off it", and it will generally last longer than 10-20 yrs. Of course, if you don't care for it, then you know what the results are going to be. We may discuss all sorts of why's and how's but we will never fully understand the totality of the matter, so have share info and ideas, but don't go "bananas" if someone disagrees. (Not to anyone in particular)
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The extended warranty does two things...it creates peace of mind in the buyer and it forces the manufacturer to step up and create a quality product to avoid losing the shirts of their backs.
Come on Captain, I know you really want to believe it's a gimmick, but it does have substance behind it as well. Just because Toyota & Honda don't offer them...it has to be a gimmick. If they started offering long warranties, would you still think it to be a gimmick? It's just like homeowner's insurance...you may never, ever..EVER need to make a claim the entire time you live in house, but it's nice to know that SHOULD an event ever come up that would require it...it's there for you, right? But I guess homeowner's insurance is a gimmick too, huh?
Nope, I KNOW what many of these mfgrs. are doing in order to sell cars. The gimmick part only comes in when you also find out that these warranties, by design, are used less than you would think.
You just summed it up. They offer the warranty (at no extra cost to the buyer) and it's not even used as much as one would think. Why? Because the cars are better than perceived. The manufacturers know what they are doing. If their cars were that bad...they wouldn't offer anything like that because they know they would have cars coming in being repaired under warranty left and right. However...it is offered as peace of mind for the buyer. Simple as that!
You've simply been brainwashed to believe that if the other companies don't do it like Honda & Toyota then they are inferior. Before you know it, Hyundai will be just as good as Honda & Toyota and STILL offering their warranty, so not only will they be just as good, they'll STILL be offering more. Then what can you say?
this - I'll bite on - I agree, although the 150k may be a little long, keep in mind that at 150k most vehicles are 7-10 years old.. And lends further support to that whole 'gimmick' idea, the mfgr. won't honor that warranty if you don't do that (comply strictlyt to maintainence schedules) or if you don't happen to be the original owner of the vehicle, knowing, of course, that almost everbody that has a higher mileage vehicle is not likely the original owner.
If anyone wants a car to last anyway, they should have some sort of maitenance schedule that they adhere to. Most warranties don't require "strict" adherances anyway...it's the servicing dealer that usually gives you the hard time. So having a good service deparment as well as having a good rapport with them further aids anyone in hassle-free warranty covered repairs.
Here's some logic for you. A shorter warranty is a gimmick too. Toyota & Honda figure if they keep the warranty period short, then folks will want to trade in for a newer vehicle before the warranty period is up on their current car. Around here...there's a Toyota commercial that says, "Great new cars make great used cars." There sure are a lot of used Toyotas and Hondas on the used car lots in this area. Don't get me wrong, there are quite a few folks that hold on to a Toyota or Honda, but even more would do so if they had longer warranty period. Can't be mad at their gimmick of making folks buy new ones though. I will say this, a shorter warranty is great for those that like to upgrade every few years anway...it's not even an issue.
Let me clear one thing up as well. The longer warrany really caters to those of us (such as myself) that put a lot of miles on a car in a year. I mean...if Hyundai had a typical 3/36 warranty when I had my Sonata...my warranty would have been up after the 1st year. I benefitted from almost every mile of that warranty because when I traded it in, it had 105K miles on it (still had 15K miles left). The longer warranty will also cater to those of us that like holding on to a car and don't necessarily put a lot of miles on in a year either. So...if the car is 7 years old with 50-70K miles...it's nice to know that should any major issues come up...it's covered.
For those that don't drive a lot AND like to upgrade every few years....yes, an extended warranty is a moot issue. But, like I said earlier...if Toyota, Honda & Nissan offered one...you would see more folks holding on to them even longer, rather than trading them in to get a new model for the sake of having a car that's under warranty.
I've got a buddy now that has the Infiniti QX54 he bought used. It has the remainder of the factory warranty on it, but he's considering trading it in and getting a newer model so he'll have a warranty, or purchasing an extended warranty to cover his current one. Either way...warranty is an issue for him and this is an Infiniti we're talking about!!!
If you're one to take care of your vehicles, you shouldn't have any problems at all. However...dealing with anything mechanical, one should always expect the unexpected. I'm already past 40K and I keep up with my maintenance...I truly doubt if I will have to put my car in the shop for anything. My previous Sonata was a good indicator of how reliable the Hyundai product can be when taken care of properly.
However, I do hope that you don't have a major component issue with either of your cars since you would no longer be covered by the warranty, it becomes an out of pocket expense that will dig deep since you are dealing with the likes of Toyota and Nissan. Good luck!
this I can't go along with:: cars, I think are as likely to have age related problems as mileage related, because high mileage cars tend to be the ones that get a disportionate number of those 'easy' highway miles.
There was two warranty repairs that came up on that car and both were after 60K miles. One was a sensor on the Shiftronic that wasn't allowing me to downshift manually and the other was a busted power steering hose. Had that been a Toyota, Honda or Nissan...I would have paid out the nose to get those items fixed. Because it was a Hyundai, covered under warranty...I paid nothing more than an hour of my time at the dealership while they fixed them.
Whether the miles are easy or hard...they are miles. A warranty doesn't discriminate.
Down here in Texas BTW we measure distances in 6 packs, folks can 'commute' 200 miles/day, and things like 100k come up in a real hurry while not creating a whole lot of 'wear and tear' on a car.. Want to find a number of 'brand new' Azeras with 100k miles on them - c'mon down.
Don't think so. Hyundai announced late last year that the 10/100 warranty was extended through at least 2010.
10/100 Warranty good through 2010
they will logically continue to do it until they figure out that the costs of honoring such warranties are more than the extra profits from selling more cars. Unfortunately, for Hyundai, the Azera/Sonatas are not quite in high enough demand - yet. OR, the Korean governement is subsidizing them (they have been known to do that) so simple rules of economics don't apply, they simply have their sights set on that market share that the American mfgrs. seem intent on giving them..
I have read that this will be the last year for the 3800 so they will probably get the more modern V6 in 2009. I was not particularly defending the old engine, just have never understood the current hate thrown at it. As far as the V8 goes, some of us just like that sort of understated power and the CXS also has far better handling (magnetic shocks and steering) and I never read about any transmission issues.
At any rate, I didn't think it would have been covered as well, but I took the car to them, they told me what was wrong and next thing I know...they came out handing me the key and telling me to have a nice day.
I wasn't sorry...neither issue stranded me and in both cases...they were taken care of without worry or hassle and I was on my merry way. A good service department can make ownership so much more pleasurable. I can imagine how quickly the mileage piles on in a state like TX!!! However, with the high temps you deal with in the summer...even the highway miles are hard miles!
I don't think it is hate of the engine. It is disappointment in GM for not putting it to pasture before it overstayed its welcome. It is simply not competitive in this century. Competition requires you to actually compete, something that Buick is pretty much stubbornly not doing. If it were my money, and I wanted a stately American sedan with premium features, I'd look at a Taurus/Sable long before Buick. The Americans used to be behind, but even Chrysler offers the 3.5L 250hp V6 to go along with Ford's 3.5L 263hp. Buick, if they aren't careful, is not only going to be late to the party, but miss it altogether, like its Oldsmobile cousins.
Putting the 3.6L engine in the Lucerne would render the current Northstar V8 pretty obsolete, much like the 302hp STS and the 320hp STS V8. Not many people are going to pay much more for a very small gain in horsepower.
It seems they have their sights set and their claws firmly grasped around the market share and not only are they going to take what is given to them...they're gonna mess around and take more than folks expect. Whatch!
and nor are you likely to - that 4 speed auto. being almost as old as those 3.8s (actually I think when the first 3.8s were built as a Buick 231 the 2 speed Powerglide (or Dynaflow?) were the trannies of the day) . It would be the new 6 speed that has been creating some problems for GM - as it has for many others - including you know who. Since the Avalon and Azera seem to have been our topics 'du jour' , both these cars have benn noted to suffer from some delayed shifting/slipping problems. I contend this an uinfortunate byproduct of these new high tech, DBW, multi speed, electronically controlled trannies. The 'price' of progress, if you will, that I don't like to pay, except when I fill my Avalon up and the trip computer says 27 mpg for that tank..
Happen to agree with you BTW on the market share comment. IMO they (Hyundai) do offer a better product than those companies whose market share they are 'stealing', that perhaps a bad word because it sure seems like they deserve it. Used to think that the Avalon was the ultimate Buick, now I think that title has passed to the Azera.
The 5-speed took some getting used to since it had shorter shift points than the 4-speed had, but now...I shift it manually more than I leave it in auto.
I would also if I did not think that they were ugly. Reminds me of the wife's old 80's Tempo.
Both the Avalon and Azera remain on my list. Only problems I see with the Avalon are the smallish trunk (might have a couple of bodies to transport ), and from my understanding the NAV system is the pits. The Azera will get strong consideration also.
I value this almost as much as the long warranty.
PS I have heard no reports of problems only improvements with the now 6 speed in the 08 Avalon. Maybe somebody at Toyota Hdqtrs. (California) instructed some of those tranny programming computer geeks to be a little less aggressive because FE is unchanged (new EPA) despite the extra speeds. When I go 'interview' the new Avalon to replace my 05 I'll be curious to see if I can get it to 'hesitate' in its gear selection. The Azera (which wasn't available in the spring of 05) will also be on my list, along with what is supposed to be a completely new Maxima for 09, and even the Taurus (although I too think it looked better as a '500')
be careful what you wish for - else the Azera might end up being a victim of Murphy's Law - corollary 23 - which is:
The more complicated anything is the more likely it is to break.
You certainly wouldn't want to sabotage what has been the Azera's rather enviable reliability ratings - for the sake of some usually uncomfortable (and rather silly) air conditioned seats - would you?
I don't know much about the Nav system in the Avalon, but you might wanna wait till the '08 Azeras hit to see if the Nav system they will be offering will be any better. From my understanding, it will be a CD based Nav unit.
I can see where the rear recliners could be of benefit to many people, but my kids are grown and on their own. The new car will be intended for use on trips after retirement at the end of next year. The company car ('04 Taurus) will thankfully go away and we will keep my wife's Camry for beating around town. She and I have been fortunate enough to see a lot of the world (Retired USN) and have lived on all three coasts - but most of what lies in between remains a relative mystery to be explored.
I don't know much about the Nav system in the Avalon, but you might wanna wait till the '08 Azeras hit to see if the Nav system they will be offering will be any better. From my understanding, it will be a CD based Nav unit.
All I know is what I read in a great many comments in the Avalon forum. It would be nice if they went back to a simpler touch screen (like Honda and Buick).