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A few years ago, I thought Ford and Toyota were destined to be the dominant world car makers. They had a very similar vision. Good luck! If you buy the Nav, just remember you got a heck of a good price on the D plan, ok? Just in case it isn't quite as "perfect" as your LC.
I have been testing Toyotas and Lexus's. I just could not find the combination of elegance plus comfort plus space all in one car before. Can't wait till my husband gets his test drive next weekend.
The only disappointment is the lack of color choice. I really want a gold one and they don't make them. And the red is too dark.
But I may go with the blue. Any comments on the blue??
Ginny
Doesn't Paul Harvey have a copyright on that? ;-)
tidester, host
Any recommendations? good? bad on the vehicle/price? It's much bigger than the RX but drives like a truck and the navigation sys is poor.
Thanks, Ginny in Texas
I went in to take care of some minor warranty items before it hits 50k, I complained that the clearcoat had begun to peel off the aluminum rims, one was quite noticeable, while one was just barely noticeable, they are going to replace both rims with no hesitation, as well as take care of the other items on my list
Just thought I'd update anyone that might be interested, truck drives great, I sure miss it when it's in the shop, it's been nice to share the Infiniti and the Navigator, depending on what one had planned for the day, or who was taking care of our 2 mo old, who is also doing quite well We both enjoy driving both vehicles, although they are very different, it's a pleasant variety, and we have loved the cargo capacity, I don't know what we would have done without it.
Karz
It seems Ford is switching Navigation systems on the new Navigators and they aren't putting the old system in at the factory any more. They tell me the new system will be much improved over the old one but of course, they don't know when they'll be shipping with the new systems. I ended up taking a Navigator they had on the lot -- Ultimate with Navigation, DVD, Power running boards, moonroof, chrome wheels, 2nd row bench. The price was right and they took my 2000 gator lease off my hands early.
I must say this updated Navigator is FABULOUS. The interior is so far above what I have seen out there (in another league from my '00 gator). And now that I've driven it a bit , in my opinion it looks and feels BETTER than the LEXUS LX 470 I almost purchased. I hope the vehicle holds up well and doesn't start to have the minor but annoying problems my '00 had. So far though, I think Lincoln got it right with this one!
By the way, except for slightly worse graphics (when compared to the Lexus system), the Navtech CD-based navigation system that comes with this beast is pretty decent. It is doing what its supposed to do with no problems.
Reference recall # 00v073000
Thanks,
Rocky
Good thing though, just as when I had a multitude of small problems with my '00 gator, my Lincoln service reps are bending over backwards to please me and I'm in an '03 Towncar while they fix my new truck. I know perfection is an impossible goal with such complicated and sophisticated machines, but to have to go back to the dealer three days after purchase for what may turn out to be a major repair... well, I just hope it isn't an indicator of things to come. For the two days I had my truck though it sure was nice!!!!
I gave mine back this morning, it wasn't the right unit for me, but eventually, one will be just how I want it -- that is if the defects go away. I'm watching the board carefully, folks....
My 99 has yet to have a repair in 4 years and 65,000 miles....and I don't want the pain of trading a great one for one that has issues. I may wait for the 2004s to come out...
I've heard of Mercedes dealers who have a fleet of Camry loaners. It's all up to the dealer.
As far as the power liftgate and running boards go, mine have been trouble free (mind you, I've only had the truck a short while). I just need to be careful when I open the liftgate in my garage because height-wise it's a close call!
While I am here I have a question for any Navigator experts: Can the power fold mirrors be programmed to fold automatically when the ignition is shut off and open again automatically when you start the truck? There's no mention of this possibility in the manual so I'm guessing it's a no-go. Can the dealer program it? Thanks!
Use what the OM calls for. No less, no more.
Unfortunately I have to head back to the dealer anyways ASAP to re-sign the contracts because the VIN# on the contract and registration does not match the truck! My sales guy called me to inform me of the screw up. I hope a cop doesn't stop me because as of right now I cannot prove that I own the vehicle! Ah Lincoln, always an adventure!
Have a question for all you 2003 lincoln owners. I bought one on dec 28 and it is a month as of date. I bought the one with the premium package.
Now, the lincoln home page says.. enjoy the standard 9 speaker audio system with 6 cd changer. The specification part of the same page says the navigator has 7 speakers. Now, the navigator i bought.. i found only 5. One speaker on each door and one more near the 3rd seat. The sales guy in the dealership said that the other two vent like holes near the 3rd row seat are the other 2 speakers. The service guy said they are heater place or something like that.. but, he was not able to identify the 7 or 9 speakers. I called lincoln customer service and the lady was very relaxed and said that she was not able to pull up the information. She got the VIN number etc., from me and connected me to the sales guy i bought it from in the dealership. WHAT!! That is not the customer service center for#$#@$.. I can call the dealership. I told her this one and she goes..'I was only trying to help you'.. as if i cannot find the sales guy.
Now.. do any of you know about this one? The number of speakers issue in my vehicle has been bugging me day and night and i don't know where to go. I go to lincoln and go back to dealership and in circles.
After trying all the venues, i went back to the dealership and asked for the detail specification document (if they had any) for the 03 navigator. Surprise.. they had one. A huge bound book which lists each and every stereo system and all the specs. The particular stereo system i have in my vehicle was listed as with 9 speakers in total. 4 two way speakers in each of the doors and 1 sub woofer on the back. Whew!!! Finally i think that it is solved.
I have had a few issues with this gator.
1. The small panel fitting near the driver's right leg was bent a bit outwards. Dealer ordered the parts and fixed it.
2. The weather seals on the front left side just popped out. Again same exercise.
3. There was thin sueade kind of stuff that came out from near the passenger side airbag. Again the same exercise and fixed.
The big one though :
There is some kind of Whirrrrrrrrr.. noise from the roof area.. most probably from above rear seat area. I had a aftermarket dvd player put in the vehicle by the dealer. They thought that the dvd player was the issue and changed the dvd player. Inspite of that, i still hear the noise and when the vehicle goes over small bumps or continutous irregularities on the road, the noise keeps coming in.. some vibration. The dealer said that they secured the dvd wires and all the navigators make that whirrrr..sound or whatever it is. Did any of you guys have this one? or.. as usual am i the only one.
I spoke to the manager of the dealership and he said that some ford guy would come along every week and he would set up an appointment for me to check this out.
Anybody with similar experiences? Or did i just happened to get a lemon or junkie.
For your dealer to tell you that every navigator has a pronounced whirring noise in the head liner area is very misleading and simply not true. If they can replicate the sound (which it seems you can just by driving around a bit) then fixing it should not be a big deal. Have they heard the sound? Also, do you have a moonroof? Perhaps something is screwy there insulation-wise. I know this sounds silly, but I've heard of folks who've left the moonroof in the "vent" position for several days and then wondered why there's a strange wooshing sound in the cabin. Also, check your third row windows to make sure they are not open (I've left these open at times by accident.).
I can't think of anything else that may be causing this except a faulty DVD installation-- but since they have already re installed it for you I don't know what the heck else could be the culprit. Let me know what the problem eventually turns out to be and how they fixed it -- just in case I start whirring too in the future! Good Luck!
Now, i have another question for 03 navigators. May sound silly.. buy, you know what will happen when you start to get annoyed with the vehicle.
If i sit on the driver's seat, bring down the tilt steerin all the way down or partially down, the steering does not seem to have been aligned in the center of the black plastic trim behind it (on the instrument panel). The plastic trim has raised edges and the gaps to the right and left of the steering wheel to the plastic trim as well as the wood trim that runs along the dash below the steering wheel are not equal. I checked in another naviagtor and it had the same issue, but, a bit better than mine. Is it a design flaw or it is the same in all your navigators?
Sorry for long posts.. but, guess this is the only place i can get some answers.
I noticed they had them on my dealers lot all the way from 4/02 to 10/02. Mine is the latter. You can find that on the sticker in the driver's door well. I also don't have the DVD.
I was amazed at how quickly I sold my 99. It was in exceptional condition, but kind of high on mileage (65,000). I put it in the Auto Trader.com Thursday morning at about 11. Got a call at noon, the guy came out at 1:30 to see it, and said he'd have the cash to me the next day by noon. He did. I really only advertised it to have some fun and see how much action I could get on it. I was asking $3500 over what the dealer offered on trade, and got it. Should have asked for more, evidently. Guess these units are hotter than I thought.
I'm very happy with my new one so far.
Scraj -- I have the steering wheel adjusted pretty high up so I cannot see the centering issue you noticed. If I adjust the wheel all the way down I can see that it is a centimeter off-center within the housing.
Also, this is a dealer thing, but when they delivered the car, they only had one remote for it, and on spares in parts. They ordered me one, but so far have been unsuccessful in programming it. I know the car was shipped with two programmed units. How dealers lose keys & remotes is beyond me. Especially with computerized key control systems.
Oh well, that's all, I'm not bitter.
My wife works with car/truck titles quite often and you'd be surprised how much info a VIN# can get you. A smart, unscrupulous individual, perhaps the same person who "misplaced" the key to begin with, might have some sinister plans for your truck a few months down the road. Again, I'm just being paranoid here but better safe than sorry.
Sure.. the dealer will give an excuse as 'All navigators make the same sound'.
Were you guys able to time it? I will also take up the same issue with the dealership. only thing is that i was not able to time it. SO, it is hard for me to prove it when i am at the dealership.
One thing I have to remark on positively, is the smoothness of the engine and especially the transmission. I think the tranny is the silkiest smooth I've ever owned, and the shift points seem perfect for my foot. 5 stars on the power train, clock notwithstanding..... (groan
Anyone has any idea about using the cargo/ dirty stuff holders made of plastic etc., on the back side, behind the second row / third row. I would like to get one of those. Any suggestions would be welcome.