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Toyota Matrix Tire/Wheel Questions

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  • 124spider124spider Member Posts: 5
    After noticing the front tires were really worn (no wonder the leftward drift seemed to have lessened in the last several thousand miles) I decided to go to a Goodyear store and get two new front tires. Well they suggested puttin the rear tires on the front and the new ones on the back (themplan being that I would replave them down the road as I wasn't ready buy four tires sine I really had my doubts the new rubber would fix anything). Well...the drift was as bad as it ever was so I took it back and had them put the new tires on the front and it finally drove straight!!!!! I immediately HD them put two new ones on th rear so I have a ll new rubber and can now rotate normally

    I guess on my situation the tires were defective. I'm amazed that at mo time did the dealers suggest this. The very most I would have insisted on was that they give a me a super discounted price on new tires or split the cost with me. I went throfuh so much grief with them over this I finally gave ip and just drove the car with the drift (the front tires wore because I didn't rotate them as I didn't want to risk alterring it once the dealer got it pulling slightly less last year). Anyhow I guess it is possible for the tires to have been bad from the get go.
  • bobbyd1943bobbyd1943 Member Posts: 1
    :cry::cry: I HAVE READ THE POST AND TOOK A LOOK AT MY Continentals AND LOW AND BEHOLD ALL 4 TIRES ARE CUPED ! LOOKS LIKE I WILL BE BRINGING THE TOYOTA TO THE DEALER AND SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, ONLY 13,500 MILES ON THEM. I HOPE I DON'T GET THE RUN AROUND .
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    My 2006 base Matrix 5-speed wears the inside edges of its Continental tires. The alignment is good, camber is modest, regular rotations etc. A couple days ago I thought of a stop-gap solution to do before the edges are too far gone.

    I just went to a tire shop and had them remove the tires from the rims, flip 'em over, remount and balance. So now the worn edges are on the outside. Cost $109. The tire tech was skeptical, but hey, I'm paying...

    I haven't had her up to highway speed yet but the handling feels OK and the tires are much quieter at 30mph. I got 16K miles out of one set of edges and if I can get another 16K I'll be satisfied.
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Member Posts: 470
    Today I replaced the Goodyear Eagles on our 2003 AWD with Yokohama AVID / V4s. Tread wasn't shot on the Eagles, but I could see that all the tires were showing wear. The technician confirmed that only one of the tires was cupped. They checked the alignment and said it was exactly on target. Unless there was a significant problem with alignment at some point in the past (not that I'm aware of), it was a problem with the tire.
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    Three weeks later the tires are working fine. The $109 was for flipping all 4 tires on their rims.
  • thoughthough Member Posts: 7
    this seems like a "band-aid" approach to the problem, not a fix. i posted my fix previously in the thread and don't know for sure if it works 100% yet. i'll find out when i put new tires on in a couple months and drive on them....
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    It's a "band-aid" that should just about double the life of my tires. Yes, I've seen your previous posts and we had an exchange before. The difference is I don't have the camber problem you had, so your fix does not help me.
  • thoughthough Member Posts: 7
    are you 100% sure it's not a chamber problem? you have to get your car checked out by someone very knowledgeable and isn't trying to make a ton of $$ off of you...
  • doodedoode Member Posts: 18
    just going through some old posts since I am having similar problems.
    It's definitely not a tire issue, but an alignment issue.
    What I need to know is, why is the rear going out of alignment so easily after only 6000k.

    The first time my rear alignment was out (toe in) it chewed my Bridgestone serenity's with only 30,000k down to slick. After realignment at 6000 kms it's happening again with mainly highway driving. The outside tread is wearing faster.
    Any ideas what's causing the alignment to go out? Dealership has inspected the rear suspension and sees no indicators.
  • stilldlstilldl Member Posts: 6
    I guess I am not alone with the tire problems that I encountered. Went for an inspection and my mechanic showed me wear on the inside of the front tire after 34,000. I had rotated bur maybe not enough. I still thought that tires lasted longer than that. Should I call the dealer or just get the tires and alignment and call it a day ?
  • thoughthough Member Posts: 7
    you better read through this entire thread. an alignment will most likely NOT fix the problem....
  • sgraciesgracie Member Posts: 7
    Whatever you decide to do, contact Toyota and file a report. I think I did this on the phone. Check their website online to find a place to start. I've since sold my 2006 Matrix back to the dealer and purchased a 2009 (at zero per cent interest).
    My dealer was adding a part to the wheels that should have corrected the problem when I decided to buy the new car. Again, I'll have to go into my files to find out exactly what the part was.
    They didn't do it for free though; it cost $180 for the part and the alignment. Unless everyone reports their problem to Toyota, they won't accept (at the dealer) that this isn't your fault.
    Sally
  • carfan19carfan19 Member Posts: 3
    Does anyone know where the tpms sensors are located in a matrix? I have a 2006 AWD and my mechanic says they're not inside the wheel but on the ABS brake system. I've never heard of this before, I always thought all carmakers put them in the stem valves. How can they read the tire pressure from the ABS system? All this came about because I'm trying to put together a winter wheels/tires package so was looking to find out how much the sensors were going to be.
  • doodedoode Member Posts: 18
    From what I understand it doesn't measure the actual tire pressure from inside the tire but senses if one tire is under-inflated by sensing the suspension is uneven
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    I think it senses the wheels spinning at different RPMs. The low tire spins faster.
  • sjoshsjosh Member Posts: 1
    I have 2010 Toyota Matrix with 18" tyres. Do I need chains while driving in snow?
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    The question of whether you need chains has nothing to do with the diameter of your tires.
    How much snow?
    How hilly the terrain?
    Maybe you just need snow tires.
    Happy holidays.
  • stk2stk2 Member Posts: 2
  • stk2stk2 Member Posts: 2
    I just bought a used 2006 Matrix XR All Wheel Drive. The tire pressure warning light went on and I can't get it to go off. Does anybody have any information on how to deal with this?
  • consumerwiseconsumerwise Member Posts: 26
    2004 Matrix - front wheel drive - auto trans.
    Had original tires rotated as suggested and ended up replacing them @30k. Was told by Dealer the original "Continental" tires only last to about 30k. So we bought the Yokohama you mentioned. They have been on for 3-4 years and already need replacing. We have had a front end alignment per warranty for the tires purchased at Plaza tire (Forever Tire program - which I'm assuming they will not honor). This is a Toyota issue that I want to know if they have corrected. Dealers do not know anything about this (including service department) locally. We are in the market for a new one - other than the tire wear issue - we love our Matrix. Sad that Toyota won't fix this issue with the $180 part someone mentioned for newer models - unless they have fixed it. Anyone know?
  • herzogtum71herzogtum71 Member Posts: 470
    Sorry to hear you aren't happy with the Yokohamas. How many miles did you put on the vehicle in the 3 - 4 years?

    Ours have been on the car (AWD) for just 5 months and about 5,000 miles. So far we have no complaints, but it's still early.
  • friday414friday414 Member Posts: 6
    I am a retired truck/motorcycle mechanic. I have 45 years experience and have worked at two dealerships, two major fleets, crewchiefed a pro dragrace team and been in partners in a hi performance bike shop and fabrication/machine shop. The parent company for any dealership is NOT going to admit fault for anything unless it is going to put $$ in their pocket or make them look like heros. Fat chance on the $$! So when you have a problem with their product you can expect a good stone-walling from them. This is how they train their managers. They are told to deny, deny, deny. This tire wear problem is way over almost all of the techs in a dealership. The service manager will not allow someone to try to figure it out. Even if they knew how to solve it Toyota does not care or they would be trying 24/7 to solve it to keep us as customers. Most of the techs at a dealership are taught to change parts. That is easy to justify as warranty work. If a tech is smart he will go to an independent shop or into business for himself. I have an issue with tire wear on my '06 Matrix and am taking it to my independent wheel alignment shop on my own dime. At least I can figure it out without any more lies and deception. Then I am going to tell Toyota how unhappy I am and every other forum like this one will be where the story is told.
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    My '06 Matrix had inside tread wear on its Continental tires in spite of alignment being OK.
    I had alignment checked at an indy shop (I knew not to try Toyota and their stonewalling) and it was OK.
    My solution was to have the tires flipped over on their rims before the inside edges got too worn.
    That's evened out the wear and they also roll quieter, for now at least.
  • sgraciesgracie Member Posts: 7
    I traded my 2006 Matrix with tire wear problems in on a 2009 model on the same day that the dealership was installing a gadget to fix the alignment problem. There is a fix and the dealers do know about it. Guess I'll find out if they listened to any of the complaints on this forum when my new car has a little more mileage on it.
    The most important thing you all have to do is to register your complaint with Toyota. You can do this by phone. Check the website for phone numbers.
    I'm convinced that not enough Matrix owners know about Edmunds or have bothered to register their complaint with Toyota.
    There's probably some way to find my old postings--with more specifice details on the
    "fix" on this site, but I haven't had time to go back this evening. I know I was back--probably before the 100th post. Looks like the entire discussion has come full circle.
    Sally
  • consumerwiseconsumerwise Member Posts: 26
    Sally, dealers are denying ever hearing of a problem with tire wear on the Matrix. One went so far as to say the total redesign should have fixed any issues IF there were any. We ended up walking away from Toyota (after years of owning them). Now the recall has me wondering and worrying over our 04 matrix we handed down to son #2.
  • indgomtrxindgomtrx Member Posts: 7
    I have a 2006 Matrix XR that I bought new back in November 2005. Replaced the tires with some Goodyear tires from Wal-Mart for about $100/tire at around 24,000 a couple of years ago. I normally rotated & balanced the tires every 5,000 miles whenever I got an oil change (and still do). Now at around 62,000 the Goodyear tires seem fine with none of the odd inner wear or loud road noise that the Continental tires I had exhibited before I got rid of them. Last time I got an oil change ( I get them done at Wal-Mart since the tires had lifetime balancing rotation free since I bought them there) and the wear on the invoice showed 8/32 and no advisory that tires are worn. I did get an alignment (front wheel I believe, not 4 wheel) after replacing the tires partially because of this but mainly because of potholes during winter months in Indianapolis, IN. Leads me to think that it was the tires since the "new" tires seem fine.
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    I'm also convinced it's mainly the Continental tires, not the Matrix, for several reasons:

    The excessive wear on my tires is only at the extreme edge, only the last band of tread. If it were a camber problem I think it would be a gradual transition from one side to the other.

    An independent shop showed alignment is well within spec.

    I had a co-worker with a Matrix that came with Goodyear tires and had even tread wear.

    When I had my tires flipped over on the rims (see my previous posts) an SUV was also in the shop getting its Continental tires replaced because of...you guessed it...excessive wear on the edges.

    I'm not denying that some Matrixes have bad alignment, but I've yet to see anyone complain of edge wear and noise with tires other than Continental. Ironically I use Continental tires on my bicycle (I commute to work every day on) because they are far better than any other brand I've tried.
  • friday414friday414 Member Posts: 6
    There was a post here stating that the camber may be in spec but the spec is written so the camber is excessive so when the Matrix is performing the slalom movement the tires are flat and the Matrix will not roll over easily. When the tires are in spec they wear on the inside edgedue to camber set for the slalom. If you ever go to a short track high banked auto race the right front tire is cambered excessively so when it is under power and on the banking it will be closer to flat and give good traction. I have Continental tires on my Matrix and they are very noisy and the car has terrible ride characteristics. The dealer has just a list of BS reasons and with the gas pedal debacle now they are not going to do anything for us. I will never own another Toyota!
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    Let me confirm what Friday said:

    The alignment specs for the Matrix include a rear camber of 1.45° ±0.50°. My experience is that anytime the camber is specified over 1°, then the vehicle is likely to have tire wear issues.

    But what triggers this wear is the toe. The rear toe is specified as 0° ±0.20° (per side). My experience is that anything over 0.06° (again per side) leads to wear issues.

    This means that not all Matrix owners are going to experience this wear - and it's going to depend on how far off the nominal value the vehicle is.

    This also means that vehicle can experience tire wear issues even if the alignment is "IN SPEC",

    And lastly, it also means the tires are not the source of the problem - which would explain why folks have seen the wear on more than just the original tires.

    But you should be aware that most alignment techs aren't savvy enough to recognize the issues about tolerance. They are usually a "set and forget" type. This would be especially true at a car dealership - where they probably have explicit instructions to set the alignment at the factory values. Most of the time this is OK, and it makes sense in the context of trying to do maintain what the alignment setting are when the vehicle leaves the shop. It just makes sense that they ALL be set according to the factory setting, so if the vehicle comes back with an alignment issue, it would be clear that the vehicle encountered an object that changed the settings.

    So my advice would be to take the vehicle to an alignment shop NOT affiliated with a dealership and have them set the camber below 1°, and the toe to the nominal value.
  • friday414friday414 Member Posts: 6
    Great reply! I did not have the specs but I have an understanding of how a suspension works. At the dealer, the SM said our car got 28K miles out of tires that normally just get 10K before they were worn out. He said my wife must be very easy on the car. She is the primary driver and she IS very gentle on the car. I noticed the noise and thought it may be wheel bearings. Then after talking with him and trying to understand how she was at fault for her "problem" he told us she is making the car turn too often. I can see that there is no way they are going to do anything. The offer to waive the $15 installation fee on a new set of tires just made me madder! I repeat that this is my last Toyota. I was duped by their highly successful racing programs over the years thinking it would carry over.
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    I respect your expertise.
    However, all the camber and toe #s on my Matrix meet your criteria, and the edge wear only happens on the front tires.
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    It wasn't clear, but my earlier post was about irregular wear - commonly called "Cupping".

    You should also be aware that tire wear is very complex and even vehicles with the alignment settings outside the settings I stated MAY get even wear. It's kind of a "tendency" sort of thing.

    But in your case, there are some questions that your earlier posts don't answer:

    Were the front tires EVER on the rear? If so, then it's quite possible that the wear occurred on the rear - where there is a lot of camber - and wasn't noticed. Then when those rear tires were rotated to the front, the front positions added wear on top of the wear that was already there, making it appear that the wear occurred on the front.

    Plus, it's also possible to get the type of wear you describe from "spirited" driving - and this would include sharp turns when pulling into a parking spot.

    I did a quick look at the alignment specs for the front of the matrix and I see 2 things:

    1) The front camber spec + the tolerance does have a range from +0.18° to -1.32° - so it's possible for the front to be "in Spec" but over -1°.

    2) The front caster spec is a bit on the high side - 2.78° ± 0.75°. Caster can be considered "Camber gain on turning", and that would add camber during cornering situations. So if you do a lot of turns compared to how much you drive straight ahead - in other words, short trips - then you could also experience wear on only one side.
  • circuitsmithcircuitsmith Member Posts: 117
    Front and rear camber are negative and less than 1°. I've misplaced the alignment printout so I don't have specific numbers.

    When I got the car it had 8100 miles. The rear tires looked nearly new and the fronts had some wear on the inside edge. I had the Toyota dealer rotate them before I drove it away.

    For the next 7000 miles I watched as the inside edges wore away on the front tires. At that point I had the tires flipped on the rims.

    I drive pretty gently most of the time. Stop and go city driving.
  • 124spider124spider Member Posts: 5
    Since I last posted on this topic, I've probably logged about 25K+ highway miles on my 08 matrix (new goidyears about that time). It's been a source of constant consideration....oil change and tire rotation every 4-5K miles and paying attention to how the car tracked after each rotation. I even played around with different combinations of front to back, cross cross etc. There's been trips where it seemed to drive very straight and others where it still drifted s bit. Things are better since replacing the tires. I have to imagine that the profile of the matrix makes it more susecptable to winds too. My final deduction was that since my rear total toe was ok, but the rear drivers toe is actually just barely out of spec, perhaps that is causing uneven wear on that tire which becomes more noticable when on the front.

    Can't say I am happy to see what is happening with Toyota With all the recall crap but part of me is. I remember back to when I was incredibly frustrated with this...the thought of having committed myself to $20K+ for a car that wouldn't even drive straight...and to have multiple dealers tell me there was nothing more they could do ad it was within spec, it was the road, etc. (essentially, "hey, you're supposed to keep you hands on the wheel and your eyes in the road), it does in hindsight bring mr a little satisfaction. Afterall, in the last decade, before buying toyotas we've owned five new fords and one used ford and not one ever had as much trouble finding straight ahead as both our toyotas. (yeah, same issue with a corolla though itcwas remedied with one alignment)
  • doodedoode Member Posts: 18
    I've had similar problems with an extra sensitive rear alignment on my 06 solara convertible resulting in excessive premature wear. The dealership has responded by doing an alignment check at every oil change period and free adjustment if neccesary. They also credited me for a prorated portion of wear on the tires.
    An overall hassle and it took alot of effort for them to admit the alignment was the issue, not the tire.
  • unclesalamiunclesalami Member Posts: 6
    This is a follow-up to my original reply #191. Just over a year from that post and in 9 months of actual driving, I put another 15,000 miles on the tires. Found that I had replaced the Continental's at 33,000 and now have twice that mileage on the Michelin Exalto A/S tires. I'm glad I haven't experienced any of the problems I read about. Again, I aligned the wheels when I purchased the tires, and haven't done a thing since. I have no vibration or pulling. Based on all of this, I expect another 9,000 miles easily (75K on a 45K tire!). As I said, I feel really fortunate after reading all the problems others have experienced. :)
  • stilldlstilldl Member Posts: 6
    I had the same thing happen on my 2007 matrix. I had all 4 tires checkked for pressure and have to check the spare now. Will let you know...
  • peter1118peter1118 Member Posts: 1
    I have a 2006 Matrix XR and had the tires worn out in 30000miles. It's the negative camber problem, but within the specs. I am interested in installing two camber kit bolts, but not sure if it's safe to replace the upper bolts at the strut/knucle joint. Have you had any problems after installing these camber bolts in the upper holes?
  • rocky101rocky101 Member Posts: 7
    Hi,

    If i remember correctly, to maintain the suspension geometry, the camber bolt need to go in the lower hole. 30,000 miles is pretty good wear for oem tires. Mine were GONE at 14,000. The new tires on ours have lasted more than 40k. I am happy with the Magna Cam bolts and alignment. John
  • cuppingtirescuppingtires Member Posts: 5
    My mechanic, who was a Toyota mechanic for 20 years before he opened his own shop, told me the cupping wear is not camber, alignment or any other mechanical issue. He said any of that will not really solve the problem, Toyota is very much aware of the issue and won't do a thing about it. I'm getting ready to change the rims on my Matrix 2005 with the hopes it will finally solve the problem, if not I give up.
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    Changing the rims is NOT going to fix the problem.

    If your mechanic friend doesn't think it's alignment, what did he think it was? I'm sorry to say, but I think he is totally wrong. Most irregular tire wear issues can be traced to alignment problems of some sort - and in this case, it is clearly the camber. As peter reported, he seems to have solved the problem by fixing the camber.
  • cuppingtirescuppingtires Member Posts: 5
    I got a great belly laugh off your arrogance and hope it works for you. I have every service record of this car since it left the lot, one of it's first, under warranty returns was tire wear. After seeing people ripped off by the dealership and other shops, my new mechanic, who I venture to say has way more experience than you or any single car owner and has indicated to me Toyota is very much aware of this problem and who, by the way at the dealerships where he worked has also, been assigned to charged many a camber, struts, alignments, etcetera only to have the problem exist, he is a decent, honest mechanic. So, check the year and model Toyota changed the rims on these cars after you 'fix' your car. And, he didn't suggest changing the rims, it's my idea.
  • cuppingtirescuppingtires Member Posts: 5
    I have researched this issue since I've had this car, I love the way people who don't really know what the issue is throw out all these suggestions and especially cracks me up when you talk alignment. I wonder if you understand this is a factory issue that Toyota is not acknowledging as a defect just like they didn't acknowledge the issue of acceleration. In one of the first post, the dealership suggest "his wife turns too much". That should be your 'duh' moment. For people who use this forum for what it is suppose to be, real issue is not alignment, cambers, struts and all the other expensive repairs being suggested (unless it started happening after years of not happening). There is an issue, my last attempt is to try new rims because Toyota changed the factory rims on these cars the same time the problems started. By the way, if you google Toyota, unever wear cupping you will get a huge return on the issue, people who have had this problem since they drove off the lot, fully warranted and have spent years without a decent fix. That means they have realigned to factory specs and tried other versions, they have changed struts, replaced cambor screws and every other speculation and nothing has worked. So there are lemons, not every single Toyota being driven has accelerated unexpectedly, so please don't mention that "i've never had the problem, must be your ......" Toyota knows it and just like the gas pedal/floor mat bs, they aren't gonna fix the cars.
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    I'm sorry, but perhaps it would be good to explain where I am coming from. I am a tire engineer - many years at that (more than your mechanic!)

    You've highlighted all the things you think are NOT the problem, but you are still fishing for the solution. The problem is the alignment SPEC. The spec issued by Toyota calls for camber anywhere between +0.2° to -1.3°. It's the large negative number that is the problem.

    As proof I offer 2 posts: Rocky's Message #70 and Tamedskr's Message # 185.

    They seem to be the only ones who had the problem and fixed it - and they both did it by adjusting the camber.

    BTW, I have documented other vehicles that seem to have a similar problem - and guess what? Camber!

    As you have pointed out, it's Toyota's problem and it's their alignment specs!
  • cuppingtirescuppingtires Member Posts: 5
    edited August 2010
    Sorry, we tried the camber 'fix' and it doesn't work over the long haul. Seriously, if it were just the camber don't you think Toyota would fix it?
  • friday414friday414 Member Posts: 6
    :lemon: The camber is set so the car won't roll over doing the "slolam" driving test through the cones. The car-all four wheels- is set up like the right front of a super-modified race car for a 1/2 mile oval. When the car has to pass the slolam test it will roll over if the tires are not "canted" so more rubber is on the road during maneuvers with high side loads. That is why the dealer will NOT deviate from the recommended camber settings. Even though the tires will wear out prematurely, they won't ever solve this problem with the Matrix. The runaway car problem has them scurrying enough.
    Seriously, if Toyota, Ford, Honda, GM or whomever has to admit to a problem they will all play dumb and talk the party line. Seriously, I am absolutely positive Toyota or any other car, truck or motorcycle maker will do anything to save their own skin. Seriously, I am sure Toyota will spend billions to make the public think they are very concerned about safety. Even though the problem might just cost millions to fix. A hard fix is out of the question. A couple million tons of BS poured on top of the problem is how this is fixed. Just think if no one would speak up for the victims of the runaway cars. If there were no ambulance chasing lawyers they would just shove the problem down our throats forever with their fingers crossed behind their backs. I will never buy another Toyota.
  • capriracercapriracer Member Posts: 907
    Did you replace the tires? Once tires have developed irregular wear, they are exceedingly difficult to get the irregular wear replaced with something else. You need to start over to get a good reading!
  • pixelrifficpixelriffic Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2010
    My 2005 Matrix, purchased new in 2005, shares this problem. The original tires were spent at about 31000 miles in the third year. The dealer had the same line that these stock Continental tires just don't last. The car has been reliable overall, so I didn't give it much more of a thought.

    I purchased a pretty expensive set of Sumitomo tires to replace the originals. In the past couple of years, I have rotated the tires on every oil change at about three thousand miles each. Every time, when the rear tires come forward, they're out of balance. I have them balanced of course, but this tells me that wear is taking place.
    Seems most posters complain about front tire wear, but mine seems to happen when they're on the rear.

    I took my car into the dealer when the thumping noise began around 31K. They confirmed it was the tires. To their credit, they suggested the tire store down the street, as the prices were better.

    Every rotation of the new tire set each oil change results in vibration through the steering wheel. This means of course means the tires are wearing unevenly. The local tire shop in our new home town says this is abnormal. The dealer I bought the car from has never heard of this complaint. He suggested that I call Toyota, and the rep had also never heard of my problem. I will add that the Toyota company rep insisted on calling my car a Corolla. Yea, I know it's based on the corolla platform, but that was just annoying. He also had the mind bending habit of saying "uh huh" before I could finish a sentence. He seemed to read a canned message, ending with a suggestion was to take it to the dealer.

    The only new car I've every owned. Not sure I'd buy another one.
  • cuppingtirescuppingtires Member Posts: 5
    Yep, the dealership will deny, deny, deny just like they did when the acceleration problem occurred. I think a class action lawsuit is in order.
  • diva2008diva2008 Member Posts: 10
    I own a 2009 Toyota Matrix S AWD. I amapproaching 40,000 miles. I know I will need to be in the market soon for tires. Any suggestions?
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