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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I was just curious to find out what engine of the entry level luxury segment and mid-level luxury segment do you feel are the most refined/quiet at idle?

    In the entry level luxury market lets compare the Acura TL, Infiniti G37, Lexus ES350, Audi A4, BMW 3-series, and Mercedes C-Class.


    According to C&D, the Infiniti G37 is quieter than every other car on the list. It was the only one that managed to stay under 40dB at idle. The one I couldn't find data for was the current ES350. I'm not sure I understand what the point of knowing that is, though. What does idle noise have to do with refinement? The Infiniti's engine is probably the least refined of the group, and yet it wins.
  • 2001gs4302001gs430 Posts: 767
    I can only speak to the Lexus, 3 and G, from my comparison test drives about 3 years ago: they are all quiet at idle, but I liked the sound of the IS 3.5 L V6 the most when you floored the go pedal. Of course, I am bias because I have an IS350 :D
  • bornoborno Posts: 77
    edited March 2010
    So after a looong search, I purchased a 2007 A6, 4.2 with S-line(includes sport suspension), cold pkg, tech and sport seats(a rare option). The car is daytona grey pearl, has 45K, and is certified. They were asking 37.9 and agreed to take 35.8. Made the deal in late february, but picked it up in march and got additional $500 off because there was a "march madness' promo since the dealership was just bought buy benzel bush, a NJ chain. Now, since they screwed up my registration, they are sending me an additional $500, so $34.8(also got 1.9%), although I had to fly down , take a couple of trains, they picked me up at the secaucus train station. Car is Great, couldn't justify the extra 8-10K to get into an S6, given that I'll be sharing with family.

    Third audi, can see a day when there are just audis in my family. will replace wife's sienna with a Q7 in a couple of years, maybe replace my M3conv., with a RS/S5conv, and could see kids driven A4s. Only drawback is kinda miss the manual tranny, even though the sport mode auto tranny is pretty good.

    For me, and a lot of people on this thread Audi rocks!
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    According to C&D, the Infiniti G37 is quieter than every other car on the list. It was the only one that managed to stay under 40dB at idle. The one I couldn't find data for was the current ES350. I'm not sure I understand what the point of knowing that is, though. What does idle noise have to do with refinement? The Infiniti's engine is probably the least refined of the group, and yet it wins.

    Listen, we don't have to nit pick here. This is a luxury lounge and we are suppose to talk about luxury vehicles and compare them to each other. I just wanted to start a little harmless comparison between them. What is wrong with that?

    I have at some point heard all these engines at idle, whether when test driving them or just being in a parking lot next to one when it was turned on. I love Infiniti, but I would strongly disagree with C/D's testing. Of the three Japanese companies, I have always found Infiniti to be the loudest and most unrefined sounding engines of the three, with Acura being in the middle and Lexus sounding silent as a church mouse when running at idle. When I test drove the ES350 last year, I had to get out of the car and go up to the hood because I couldn't hear the car running it was that quiet.

    I've been in the parking lot next to BMW 5-series several times when running and I couldn't hardly hear them either, same comes to the A6.

    I think it would come down to Lexus and maybe Audi for quietest engines at idle. Not too sure about Mercedes though because I haven't heard the latest C and E class V6s at idle in a while.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    edited March 2010
    So after a looong search, I purchased a 2007 A6, 4.2 with S-line(includes sport suspension), cold pkg, tech and sport seats(a rare option). The car is daytona grey pearl, has 45K, and is certified.

    Congrats, sounds like a great ride! In the recently released 2010 JD Power VDS report which measures 2007 cars, the A6 was ranked best in class, ahead of even CR's darling Infiniti M. Best 2007 Premium Midsize
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    Acuras & Infinity too unrefined.

    What's an "Infinity", anyway? (Yes, spelling does count, my friend.)
  • skarieskarie Posts: 78
    Mercedes-Benz E65 AMG - It's Coming!

    The German magazines Auto Motor und Sport is reporting that Mercedes is releasing a new AMG E class in the summer of this year.

    The new model will be called E65 AMG and the company has already patented the name with the German patent department. Not much is known about the car except that it will use the 6.0 V12 from the '65 AMG models. Prices might start around 150,000 Euros.

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  • skarieskarie Posts: 78
    Report: Next BMW M6 to take cues from Vision concept, targets Audi R8

    We were all wondering how BMW was going to manage to bring its Vision Efficient Dynamics Concept to the road, and now it looks like we may have our answer. According to Autocar, elements of the wild diesel-electric sports car will crop up in the next-generation M6. The report claims that the company will send the efficient drivetrain packing in favor of a more robust twin-turbo V8 powerplant sourced from the current M3.

    Why would BMW be interested in crafting the M6 into a mid-engine, V8 terror? It might just have something to do with the rabid success of the Audi R8, but Autocar thinks a similar model would allow BMW to do battle with Porsche 911 and the oft-rumored baby Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG. It all sounds good floating around the interweb, but color us skeptical.
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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The new model will be called E65 AMG and the company has already patented the name with the German patent department. Not much is known about the car except that it will use the 6.0 V12 from the '65 AMG models. Prices might start around 150,000 Euros.

    That's just silly. Who looks at an E63 and says "not fast enough". Mercedes is just upset that they have a model without the most insane level of horsepower in its class (RS6 is more powerful) so they have to fire back knowing Audi and BMW aren't dumb enough to stuff their own V-12s into the A6 and 5 series.

    What comes next, an E65 AMG Black Series with 670hp, and a $300,000 price tag? Who doesn't want that?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Why would BMW be interested in crafting the M6 into a mid-engine, V8 terror? It might just have something to do with the rabid success of the Audi R8, but Autocar thinks a similar model would allow BMW to do battle with Porsche 911 and the oft-rumored baby Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG.

    I don't buy it. Completely changing the 6 series would mean giving up competition with the XK, SL, and Maserati GT. I don't think they want to just hand that market over. I predict that the 6 will remain a big 2+2 GT coupe, possibly as a single retractable hardtop model ala Z4.
  • skarieskarie Posts: 78
    That's just silly. Who looks at an E63 and says "not fast enough". Mercedes is just upset that they have a model without the most insane level of horsepower in its class (RS6 is more powerful) so they have to fire back knowing Audi and BMW aren't dumb enough to stuff their own V-12s into the A6 and 5 series.

    I agree. It just doesnt make any sense, why put a V12 in the E class when its already remoured that Mercedez is gonna drop there V12 engines for turbocharged V8. Maybe there trying to catch the panamera.
  • skarieskarie Posts: 78
    I predict that the 6 will remain a big 2+2 GT coupe, possibly as a single retractable hardtop model ala Z4

    Looks like your right again.
    NEW BMW 6'

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  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Looks like your right again.
    NEW BMW 6'


    Yep, another 5 series derived GT coupe, just like last time. No mid-engined R8 fighter to see here. It looks like the droopy catfish face is gone, replaced by what appears to be a very slightly more aggressive 5 series nose. Unfortunately it seems like some of the Bangle bustle is still there at the rear.
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Hi Tony, Hi All,

    Promised that I would report on the new-5-Series premiere at my usual BMW dealer, but I couldn't cope with the promise because I eventually I was not even in Spain that day. My intention is to pay a visit to the dealer in the next future, but I still don't find a good moment to do so. (Not only because of job.:shades: Today I'm going to my other place in France and I'll be there trekking or skiing for a few days.)

    Happy Easter Holiday to whichever enjoying one!

    Regards,
    Jose
  • tx_buzzardtx_buzzard Posts: 130
    edited March 2010
    I see your point clembo, and you certainly are not the only one with those feelings. BMW has grown to include other market segments leaving a lot of people not only puzzled but disappointed. But have they really left behind their legacy? The 1 Series seems to be the fit here doesn't it? And they keep suggesting new models within the Series. I think to maintain market share and remain competitive BMW has to test the market to see what will fly. With Porsche and Audi both having success with their SUVs, maybe they felt missing that market share, particulary here in the US which is their biggest market, wouldn't keep them where they want to be. Who really knows what the thinking was... but isn't it true when you do a brand to brand comparison, model for model BMW does what they do very well? Right now Audi has become a real competitor with a few of their models, yet when BMW comes out with their next generation the bar will be raised yet again. That is always the case. BMW is always the target when the competition produce their new models.

    Rather than concerning myself so much with the current models, I get frustrated when I read about a front wheel drive BMW!!! Personally I feel that ought to be left to the Mini. But hey, maybe that is why I am not a marketing manager for BMW. :)
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,626
    edited March 2010
    They should make this the 6'er and get it over with.



    Start competing, for Heaven Sakes!!

    Regards,
    OW
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,159
    ... that the new E-class is less attractive than the previous one? I've felt that the current C-class and previous E-class are among the most attractive sedans out there.

    Of course I'm not likely to be owning either one of them. :cry:
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    I was at my local Mercedes dealer last weekend looking at the new C and E-classes and I couldn't help but notice these vehicles seem really low to the ground. Has anyone else noticed that about these Mercedes vehicles?
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I've felt that the current C-class and previous E-class are among the most attractive sedans out there.

    I don't have the same aversion to the C and E that some here do. For a small sedan, the C looks fine, IMO, and the new E has turned my head a couple of times on the road already.

    TM
  • bmlexusbmlexus Posts: 755
    edited April 2010
    I was at my local Mercedes dealer last weekend looking at the new C and E-classes and I couldn't help but notice these vehicles seem really low to the ground. Has anyone else noticed that about these Mercedes vehicles?

    Yes, I did. It seems to me like every other sedan is getting more n more closer to the ground, be it the new C,E even the S is not far off.

    The whole lexus line up is low to the ground. LS460, the GS, IS. ES not sure, even the upcoming LT200h.

    Does any1 think current 5 series is low to the ground?, maybe its all for better driving :blush: :sick:

    Maybe its a trick? People want better ground clearance, buy our suv :P
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