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Honda Odyssey Transmission Problems

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  • matmamatma Member Posts: 2
    From what I've read on the blogs here is that i should check out the Jasper transmissions.....shoot at this point who cares if it comes from Honda? In fact, I don't think I'd want another Honda transmission in the van. The dealership that I purchased it from won't even return my calls.....the dealership where it was bought new and serviced, did offer me the labor free....but the van lives in South Carolina and I'm up north, so it doesn't help me any...:)
  • autowriteautowrite Member Posts: 226
    Lots of talk about Jasper transmissions BUT what transmission dealer/shop sells & installs it in Canada?
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Does anybody even know if Jasper rebuilds the Odyssey transmission with better parts or if they just know they are less expensive?

    Does anyone have a long enough history with the Jasper to say it really is a better unit?
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    For a year and a half our van has had problems going from 2nd into 3rd...we recently have to shift it into second and then after we get past 30 mph we switch it back into 3rd and then drive. This has carried us through...for how long I don't know. We have 187,000 miles on this van. I just got an estimate from a local Honda dealer $4250.00. We wanted to sell it next year, but nobody will buy it like it is now.

    Has anyone else had this problem? I had the transmission flushed about a year and a half ago. I just had the trans fluid checked and it was fine.

    Thanks for any input...it sounds like Odyssey's are an issue, but I am wondering if it is van's in general. I have had friend's who have had American made van's and they have gone out. We use Ford van's at the Transit Company where I work...3 went out this year. They sure are cheaper than the Honda replacement trans.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,511
    at some point, parts (even major ones like a tranny) wear out. 187K is starting to get up there, so hard to argue you did not get your money's worth out of it.

    and a new trans is quite possibly going to cost more than you would get for the van after that.

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  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    I know the few horror stories I read last night are disturbing...The Accords can go forever...I guess I thought the vans would also!

    So...You don't think that it is worth putting a new transmission in? We decided that we will keep the van longer if we put the new trans. in.

    Thanks for your feedback...
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Member Posts: 503
    My question to you at 187k - what else will need replacing besides the transmission? Wheel bearings, cv joints, does it burn any oil? etc.

    If you decide on replacing the transmission don't go back to Honda for the work. They will replace the transmission with the original defective design.

    Look for a transmission shop that offers a good warranty. Jasper transmissions have a 3 year 100,000 mile warranty! I think Honda will give you 6 months maybe 1 year?

    Also, look at the Odyssey vibration forum there's some links discussing why Honda transmissions fail.
  • eng2eng2 Member Posts: 10
    I ran into the same situation last month except our 2002 Odyssey had only 100700 miles on it. To replace the transmission ran $4600 with tax, and if we didn't replace it the car would not be worth much, so we replaced it with the idea that we had a 36 month warranty if we kept it. However reading all about the motor mounds etc. etc. I got a good trade in on a Sienna, however at the mileage you have I'm not sure I would invest $4,000 more.
  • autowriteautowrite Member Posts: 226
    For the last few months my D light has been flashing intermitinly. Yesterday it did it even when the van was in park so I called my dealer. They wanted it there immiedately. I waited for service keeping the van running so a code would not get re-set and lose the flashing D. Unless the D is flashing they cannot tell what senor it is. Apparently it could be one of three senors on the side of the transmission. They found it was the Third Pressure Switch and it got replaced for a cost of $227.90 tax (13%HST) included.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,511
    worth it? Depends on the overall condition of the van.

    At minimum, before I decided, I would fine a good indy mechanic (preferably one that really knows Hondas and has experience with the Odyssey) and have it gone over with a fine tooth comb. Engine compression, suspension, motor mounts, everything. Get a quote for bringing it fully "up to snuff".

    then, add that to the cost of the trans and decide if you want to invest that much with the intent of keeping it a couple more years.

    If it really needs a couple K more in repairs beyond the trans, might be better off dumping it as is.

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  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    Mine does that occasionally also...In addition to having the trouble between 2nd and 3rd gears. To try and catch it and drive to a service place is hard!

    Is there repercussions for not getting it fixed? What does it control in the transmission?
    Thanks!
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    I talked with the transmission service place that we use for our vans at work...He said he has had problems with Jasper honoring their warranty. They were giving people the runaround, and he doesn't recommend that.

    He said the trans that he puts in will have a 2 yr 100,000 warranty, and the defect in the trans will be repaired unlike what they would do at a Honda dealer. He said his customers haven't had problems with their trans after they install it...It is 2,800.00, and they do 200 a year...more than the Honda dealer close to them.
  • longo2longo2 Member Posts: 347
    Here's an a/t repairman working on more solutions to Honda's tranny mess..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEdqRkq1p1o
  • autowriteautowrite Member Posts: 226
    You should have your dealer dianogse this immediately as a in my case a "Third PRessure Switch" effects your third gear. After changing it the transmission seeem to use the engine 'like a brand new van' and "peppier".
    See also-
    http://www.odyclub.com/forums/52-2005-2010-odyssey/137895-easy-transmission-fix-- pressure-switches.html
  • jpfjpf Member Posts: 496
    Having a good transmission specialist rebuild your transmission rather than replace with a factory-rebuilt makes a lot of sense in many circumstances because they pay particular attention to the failure prone parts. The factory-rebuilt is built to the OEM specs which is flawed in the first place. It will last 50-60k miles and then fail again. Whereas the specialist may have a fix that prevents that particular part from failing again. I had a tranny specialist rebuild a transmission for me in a Chrysler Laser. Drove the car 60k miles without a problem. Gave the car to my brother and he put many more miles on that transmission without any problems.
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    I guess I wouldn't have to drive it while the D light is flashing? I will try and get this replaced next week. Thanks for the information!!!
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    I will get the estimate...of course the trans replacement place I am talking with thinks it is worth it. He said everything else is great...just replace the trans and you will be happy. I guess with the price of gas I am thinking more fuel efficiency, but the vehicle is paid off...no car payment except for the price of the trans if that is it?

    Someone wrote about the D flashing, and that if I replace that sensor it will help with the 3rd gear problem??? It has been flashing for awhile...I will try and address that next week.

    Thanks for your insight!
  • longo2longo2 Member Posts: 347
    Here's some back and forth between me and the local Honda a/t Guru in Draper Utah...

    HI Larry

    Loved this article on the Honda TCC....

    http://www.sonnax.com/titles/overheated-honda-converters740-codes.print

    Sure has been a lot of head scratching and back engineering on these Honda a/t's..wish it was Honda doing it..I see they are now facing another Class Action lawsuit on the newer Odysseys a/t's...

    Just when they finally get it figured out they will probably change the whole a/t design again and once more use us Van Owners as R&D guinea pigs.

    Eric

    On 11/6/2011 9:29 PM, LARRY BLOODWORTH wrote:
    > Eric,
    >
    > While we've finally figured out the converter problem, among others, we are still debating the 3rd clutch issue. The sum of everything our industry knows about Honda/Acura problems can be found HERE.
    >
    > I believe the 3rd clutch problem is a software issue causing an overlap of 2nd clutch release and 3rd clutch apply; also the 4-3 downshift. This overlap condition is exacerbated by a lot of in-town driving where upshifts and downshifts into 3rd gear happen a lot. Most notably in the stereotypical Soccer Mom's kid bus. We rarely see 3rd gear clutch failure in Hondas that are primarily freeway driven; because they don't do a lot of shifing in and out of 3rd gear.
    >
    > The patented pressure regulator valve mentioned in the report retails for only $210 bucks. A cheaper, but more difficult to install, product that addresses the same issues is made by TransGo that I E-mailed you a while back.
    >
    > Let the Honda buffs and DIY'ers know what's up.
    >
    > I'll Keep You Posted,
    > J. Larry Bloodworth
    >
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    Thanks so much for the information...I am anxious to get the sensor fixed and see what happens.
  • rafiq9857rafiq9857 Member Posts: 3
    I have Odessey 1999 and it has 4th transmission failures. It is garbage product and Honda Odessey must be banned in USA till such time they commit to fix their manufacuting defect and provide life time transmission warranty.
  • mykiddosmykiddos Member Posts: 3
    Make sure you file a complaint with the NHTSA. Their number is 1-888-327-4236. Honda told me that is the only way they will do a recall, if they are made to. Guess it is up to us to make them do the right thing before someone gets hurt or killed.
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    Is this a sensor issue or did you have to replace the transmission?
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    So is the problem a sensor or the pressure regulator valve for the "D" flashing...of course the Honda dealer I e-mailed about a price wants to see it. I am going to try and find someone else to troubleshoot it...
  • jim53703jim53703 Member Posts: 3
    If you've had a transmission fail and needed to replace it, PLEASE,
    file a complaint with the NHTSA here:

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

    There have been 224 complaints filed under 6 powertrain categories. Honda will only be held accountable when the NHTSA forces a mandatory recall.

    Also of interest:

    http://classactionlawsuitsinthenews.com/class-action-lawsuit-complaints/honda-od- - yssey-torque-converter-class-action-lawsuit-complaint/
  • donethat_1donethat_1 Member Posts: 66
    Be sure to share your experiences at the Honda ODY facebook page.
  • isodyokisodyok Member Posts: 17
    donethat_1, after reading the transmission problems of numerous Odyssey owners (including 2011s) in the forums and your relentless campaign to share your own Odyssey experience, I heed the warning and am going with a 2012 Sienna. Too much reliability risk to take for 35k+ van.
  • rafiq9857rafiq9857 Member Posts: 3
    Goo decision. You and Toyota will be the winner and Honda will be loser of one more good and loyal customer. I left 2 comments about Honda Odessey on msnbc post but did not appear so far. I think they did not like my frank comments. I am also considering Toyota Sienna after dumping Honda Odessey.
  • prothsteinprothstein Member Posts: 3
    Bought a new 2001 Odyssey. First transmission problem was at 31,000 miles, they replaced solenoid switches. Transmission failed and was replaced at 34,000 miles. Transmission 2 failed at 59,000 miles and was replaced. Transmission 3 failed at 113,000 miles and was replaced. Transmission 4 failed at 150,000 miles and Honda says "go jump in the lake." Odyssey is totally worthless, have to sell for scrap. I bought a new Sienna.
  • eng2eng2 Member Posts: 10
    You were fortunate to have Honda pay for these many transmissions, although it shows the product is defective. Honda called me after my letter telling them that our 2002 transmission failed at 100700 miles. They told me they were very sorry and would not help out in any way. I replaced the transmission for $4,600, and after reading all the various post, I traded the car for a Sienna that has much fewer problems.
  • rafiq9857rafiq9857 Member Posts: 3
    That was the right decision. Don't buy any Honda.
  • planetarytrasplanetarytras Member Posts: 7
    ive posted a few threads on here concerning the trans failures. here are the upgrades i perform that honda cant do to their remanufactured transmissions. the biggest failure component is the torque converter. The converter overheats even when in freeway cruise conditions when the converter clutch is locked up.There are two companies that make corrective kits/parts to remedy this situation. Sonnax and transgo. these fixes address the valve body inside the transmission. the honda reman transmissions do not and can not install these components. They have to follow guidlines established by honda. So you are better off having a transmission shop rebuild your honda transmission. The result will be worlds better than reinstalling another factory transmission that will ultimately fail again and again for the same reasons. I dont know where some of the folks here in this forum are getting their repair quotes because i rebuild these day in and day out, with all the sonnax and transgo updates, for between 2400-2800 depending on what, if any, parts beyond a standard rebuild.In addition, ive read of these transmissions failing at 30k after replacement. this is more than likely the transmission cooler is restricted. A lot of shops and especially the dealership reuse the factory trans cooler which is incorporated within the radiator. This is a no no. You will be better off installing an external trucool trans cooler and bypassing the factory trans cooler.Otherwise the transmission will fail prematurely.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,511
    just curious, does that price include all the labor to remove/reinstall? And it sounds like you just bench rebuild in the shop.

    There was someone (here I think, or on another forum) that decided to DIY it, and managed to do it successfully. So no reason a pro can't do it (since they just do it in a factory setting anyway for the remans).

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,511
    In my case, it would never be an issue, because if it crapped out it would be traded in within a week of being fixed.

    It's my wife's car, and she has no tollerance for being stranded!

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  • prothsteinprothstein Member Posts: 3
    All of the transmissions up to 109,000 miles were covered under the extended warranty (partly due to Honda extending it, partly due to a class-action suit). I also had purchased a Hondacare 7/100 extended warranty when I started having transmission problems, so they were really not doing me any special favors. I'm happy with my Sienna, and will not be buying any more Hondas. We need a new car for my wife soon, and I will be getting a Subaru.
  • kleinerkleiner Member Posts: 4
    Hi,
    You night want to try the shifter lock. That seems to be the problem with a lot of 03's. Are you having trouble getting the key out? Hope you can figure out the problem.
  • 2005honda2005honda Member Posts: 6
    on my parents '04, they had trouble and the mechanic told them about this small cover on the top right side of the steering column where you can stick a key in to release the gear shift. sounds funny but its true. so, specifically look when sitting in drivers seat, reach your right hand forward past the steering wheel, look on the top right side of the steering column for a small rectangular plug in the plastic, about 1" wide x maybe .5" deep from where you sit. Pop it out and stick any other key than your ignition key (you need that one in the ignition..) you will feel some resistance when you push it down, but that is what releases the gear shift.

    Of course, it would have been simpler if honda simply fixed the design instead of coming up with this bandaid,..it's not nifty or cool, it's simply a design issue that was cheaper to bandaid then fix.

    I wish there was a way to stick a spare key in to fix the transmission, motor mount, etc,...etc,...etc,... design problems.

    yes, probably going back to a toyota next time.
  • empty76empty76 Member Posts: 3
    I recently had the check engine light come on and the D indicator flash on my 2004 Odyssey with 89k miles on it. The dealer pulled the dreaded P0720 code and is recommending a new tranny. I strongly expressed my disappointment as I've had the trans fluid flushed 3 times so far by the dealer to avoid this very situation. They offered to do me a favor by telling me to call American Honda and file a case for a goodwill claim. They provided me the phone number, told me what to say, etc. I followed their instructions and within 2 days received an offer from American Honda to cover 52% of the cost of a new transmission. 52% of $6,100 is the offer leaving me to pay the balance of $2,900. What a bunch of b.s.! Honda's goodwill sure doesn't come cheap. Then just to push me over the edge the dealer recommends replacing the timing belt and 2 motor mounts for another $1,600. Thank you very much Honda.
  • hilapat12hilapat12 Member Posts: 26
    Can you still drive your vehicle? The check engine light has been on my van (02) for years...Had it checked...said nothing wrong. I have had the D flashing for almost 2 years i believe now. I just have problems going up hills in lower gears....if I could just have no hills to drive up I would be ok!

    You shouldn't go to the dealer...that sounds pretty pricey!
  • donethat_1donethat_1 Member Posts: 66
    Unfortunately, this occurred with mine at 68k miles and the tranny did go out. Some owners have seen the tranny lock up in this situation while driving down the hwy and almost get into an accident with their kids in the car. The response from Honda that I receive was to go pound salt. Needless to say, I got rid of the van ASAP and bought something other than a Honda. The other bad news is that the tranny Honda is willing to assist in the replacement of is defective as well. They were all engineered bad and it too will fail in a matter of time. I wish I had better news but that is the honest truth.
  • empty76empty76 Member Posts: 3
    Van drives fine to me. The tech said it shifts hard and is whining. I called another dealer today and received a much cheaper estimate. Both dealers want about 3800 for the trans however the labor is 2200 vs 800 between the two dealers. The Service Mgr at the second dealership has actually worked with my case mgr before and said the 52% is a pretty good offer. I spoke with the case mgr at Honda today to appeal/escalate my case to ask for more contribution and he said there is no appeal process. I asked if there is anyone between him and the CEO that I could talk to and he says "no." Should I accept the offer of 52% against the $4600 estimate.
  • empty76empty76 Member Posts: 3
    2004 Odyssey with 89k miles. Better to replace trans with a reman that comes with a 3 yr/36k wrty or rebuild existing trans with 2yr/24k wrty?
  • eng2eng2 Member Posts: 10
    You are fortunate to have got 52% as I couldn't get Honda to put in a dime towards the $4,600 that it cost to put in a rebuilt trans. I would have considered that fair due to the problems Honda is having on the transmission, but with such an attitude, I'm going to go for a Sienna.
  • buickboybuickboy Member Posts: 3
    2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L. Bought brand new October 2007. No real problems until tonight. I had the recalls done on tranny (shudder etc... brake master cylinder etc..) but never experienced the problems people talked about. Tonight, I was out with my family (27 degrees F) and backed the car up and the radio went out and the navi screen went blank (never happened before). I put in D and drove 8 miles home and parked in garage. The radio and NAvi didn't work all the way home. I checked fuses and all were perfect. I turned the key on (no start) for the 5th time and the radio asked for code. I entered and my radio was back to working. Presets were not there, I went to enter the first one and they popped back, 2 fms and 1 am and 2 XMs. The navi screen acted normal as well. I noticed (engine off, key on) that the D was flashing and the orange Engine symbol was on. I was like, I must have tripped something when I removed a fuse. The flashng D was not on while I drove home earlier. I decided to drive down to local auto parts store to pull the codes and erase them. I started car and put in R and nothing. I slightly revved engine and nothing. I put it in D and the lurked/thud forward (the RPMs were back to idle before I engaged D). I tried several times and it would not go into R. I decided to wait till Monday and call dealership for tow and repair. I like to pull codes on my cars before bringing to shop. This is the first time with this car. I have 52,xxx miles and I believe I still have power trane waranty till 5/60K? We almost traded this car in for a SUV since my kids are running around now and can get into car seats on their own... oh well... I will have to fox and trade in soon..... I bought a Honda hoping for no FORD issues like I had with my last FORD. I might go back to FORD who knows?
  • longo2longo2 Member Posts: 347
    edited January 2012
    Most of us older Odyssey owners thought tht HOnda had their a/t isues worked out by 2007, but your sad story tells a different tale.

    The last Consumer Reports I looked at showed the 2007 as having tranny problems, but not the 99's up to 2004, the worst years! Strange indeed, but Honda always did seem to get a pass from CR for some reason.

    I think hundreds of thousands of hyped Honda Odyssey Vans were sold to people who believed the CR Bull about Honda "reliability" (myself included)
  • planetarytrasplanetarytras Member Posts: 7
    i would first check your battery and charging system. the nav and radio failure sounds like the battery voltage got too low. that would not be such a strange occurance considering its freakin 27degrees outside as you stated. rhen it wouldnt start. what happens in the computer controlled cars is when your system voltage drops too low, the computer will start shutting down subsystems like nav, entertainment, climate controls in order for the vehicle to continue to run. its a pretty smart design, but at the same time, if the voltage and current is still too low the main ecu and tcm( engine control module, trans control module) wont have enough power to command the engine and transmission. the solenoids in the trans require a good amount of current to activate and they are working hard in every shift. dont walk in the dealership thinking its the transmission just yet without checking your battery and alternator or they just might try and sell you one you dont need.
  • casbar54casbar54 Member Posts: 4
    BuickBoy

    I went to a local transmission shop which was highly recommended. He rebuilt the trans and replaced the cracked motor mounts (broken probably as a result of all the lurching, etc). Cost me $1650. Sold the van as I didn't want to endure another repeat and be out another $1650 or $5000 as some folks have reported here.

    Have owned two brand-new Honda Accords (1992 and 1995), and they served me well. This Odyssey van and the stories told here in addition to the pitifully poor gas mileage these things get, are enough to make me stay away from Hondas permanently.

    Best choice would likely be to make Honda repair it and then sell it outright. Why give a dealer that extra profit? LOTS of people are STILL insistent that they MUST have a Honda Odyssey. I was completely upfront with the guy who bought mine and even shared this forum site w/ him. Fully-informed, he believed buying one which had been rebuilt was safer than buying one which had not YET experienced any problems. I agree w/ that thinking, but I still wanted to be as far away from a Honda Odyssey as I could be. I feel rather fortunate to have gotten away spending only $1650. And, that's sad if you think about it.

    Good luck to yet another disappointed Honda admirer.
  • donethat_1donethat_1 Member Posts: 66
    I do beleive that there is a class action suit right now in the State of CA for the 2005-2009 model ODY as well.
  • buickboybuickboy Member Posts: 3
    I just dropped it off at Dealer and will wait and see what they say. I understand the solenoids engage/disengage gears and that might all it will be. I wished they would do a transmission drain and fill along with filter around 30K, I asked but said it was not needed till 100K. I should of pushed/paid for it. I did push it out of garage and drove it to the auto store and put a code reader on it. P0974 (shift solenoid A, control circuit high) and P0983 (shift solenoid D, control circuit high). They were listed two times in reader. I did not erase the codes just in case the car returned to normal! I want Honda to feel how it is driving (hard shifts (no reverse).... I let up on gas to lower thud while driving to dealer and see the D flashing. When I was in my late teens and twenty's, I installed engines and transmissions and axles etc.... I used to do all my own work. Up until my first new car, mid 90s. all automatics were hydraulically shifted (at least the ones I owned). Much easier to diagnose and repair (cheaper too). I did not go in there demanding a new transmission, I just simply asked them to diagnose and report. If it is just a solenoid, then it will be fixed and will soon be traded in for a SUV that my wife wants anyways! She just needed an excuse! The car has 52K. I just replaced the battery a few months back. I think something electrically funny went on when I backed up that day? I did not cause it. The battery does check out good, on my rolling battery and electrical system diagnose tool.
  • bcwatchdogbcwatchdog Member Posts: 2
    My Odyssey's automatic transmission is malfunctioning. I am looking for advice.

    According to my mechanic, who does not service transmissions, the code is 730. He contacted a transmission repair shop in Portland, OR for me and I took the car in last week. It supposedly was fixed and ready to go on Friday afternoon. I picked it up just before closing. According to the shop, they replaced all the solenoids (which is what the Honda Service Bulletin told them to do). They had road tested the vehicle and all was fine.

    After picking up the car, I had not driven more than a few miles and the transmission problem occurred again. The car does not shift as it should from second to third gear. The car revs up high and is having trouble making the 'shift'. The malfunction (yellow light) indicator came on and has stayed on. Also, the Traction Control System light came on but when I restarted the car, it was off. However, the malfunction indicator does NOT go off when the car is restarted. This mimics what happened before I took the car into the transmission shop last Tuesday.

    The problem with the transmission began some months ago when I noticed a slight 'chug' when the car shifted from second to third gear. In October, I took the car into my mechanic because the malfunction indicator light had come on and stayed on. The code was 730. The mechanic shop changed the transmission oil and road tested the car but they did not feel the 'chug' that I did . . . so they turned off the light for me and I continued to drive the car. The malfunction light stayed off until about a week ago.

    In the intervening months, the shifting problem, however, got worse . . . although it did (and does) not happen all the time. For example, I just drove the car back to the transmission shop so that it would be there at 8 am when they open tomorrow and there was no problem with the shifting from second to third gear -- although the malfunction indicator light is still on.

    Since replacing the solenoids clearly did not solve the problem, I wondered if anyone on this blog has had a similar experience or knows what the problem might be. According to the transmission shop, the Honda Service Bulletin for the 730 code says to replace the solenoids, but if that doesn't work, the transmission should be rebuilt.

    I am the original owner of this car and I did take it in when the Honda Transmission Recall took place in 2004. The car has 95,000 miles on it. It would appear that I am looking at having to have the transmission rebuilt.

    I plan to call Honda tomorrow but am not certain what is the best way to approach them. Any advice in this regard would be appreciated as well as any insights as to the problem with the transmission.http://static.ed.edmunds-media.com/edmunds-webassets/1.20.66/img/fo- rums/webxicons/emotorcons/emo_bawling.gif
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