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2009 Honda Pilot



  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    So, the grill is what - too Hummeresque? I don't mind the slab sides but the wheel well bump-outs don't appeal to my eye too much. Otherwise it seems perfectly .... serviceable.

    I like the holder for my baseball cap on the dash.

    Is someone keeping score about just what's wrong with the new restyle?
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Is someone keeping score about just what's wrong with the new restyle?

    I'll hold final judgement till I see it in person. Till then, here's my thoughts:

    1. The new exterior screams "cheap" to me, rather than "tough."

    Look at the rear wiper, how it's just sort of stuck on to the tailgate. Compare it to the Highlander, which has the rear wiper mounted on the window itself, making it blend in. The handle below the Pilot's license plate also looks like it was just stuck on there as an after-thought.

    2. The interior is better, but still has a low-rent look. Hopefully the materials feel better than they look (opposite of the Highlander, which has great, expensive looking plastic that's actually hard to the touch).

    For example, look at all the drab-looking plastic to the left of the steering wheel, the round air conditioning vents, the white-faced gauges, the open area for clutter above the glove compartment, etc. The center stack also has way too many buttons, though I'm sure it's a snap once you're familiar with the important ones.

    On the plus side, I guess, Honda is still providing bodyside molding, something that Toyota seems to be allergic to with all its new models.
  • normkolnormkol Posts: 135
    Do you see the handle on the rear glass? It looks like the glass may open separately, which would explain why the wiper has to be mounted to the tailgate.

    One can only hope. :D
  • carslycarsly Posts: 32
    I hate the tailgate mounted wipers, looks so cheap. Why, Honda why?
  • texasestexases Posts: 8,476
    Yep, must be an openable rear window, you can also see the black dots where the hinges attach at the top.
    My score for the '09:
    Major beef - reduced visibility, all side windows are smaller, not sure about back
    Moderate beef - odd-looking front, between the slanting headlights and overdone grille.
    No problem - interior, but I'll need a better look
  • jim39tjim39t Posts: 11
    Here are 16 photos at Autoblog:

    Overall, I like the look and hope it test-drives well. Behind the C pillar it looks like a Lincoln Navigator, but I won't hold that against it. Wonder if they'll offer the blue leather?
  • texasestexases Posts: 8,476
    Thanks for the link. The front is very similar to the Jeep Patriot where the fenders meet the headlights. Not horrible, but not a 'great design' to copy.

  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Looks like Honda bench marked the Ford F-150 for their interior design.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    I am sure the competitors at Hyundai (Veracuz), Mazda (CX-9) and Toyota (Highlander), and GM (Trios) are all celebrating now.
    The concept Pilot at least has very cool headlights. The production one has cheap ones that look "blind".
    Yes, I think the hatch glass can be opened separately, but I hated that on my
    Mercury Villager. The wiper on hatch resting on a plastic stop always fail after a few years. It has been a very common problem on Quest and Villager. Ask anyone who ever owned one.
    After all, I think Pilot is an utility-oriented CUV. People will buy it for function over look and sportiness. For the latter, Mazda CX-9 is the winner. The rest are positioned somewhere in between.
  • semantic2semantic2 Posts: 28
    I don't know what competitors are celebrating about. i like it. but then i'm not into curved egg shaped looking vehicles. functionally from the pics it looks decent enough. only complaints are probably the front lights differ from the prototype or the sketch. not really into body side molds either. but i like that the hitch is hidden within the body similar to some other suvs and the backup sensors are still on there. also by the looks of the pics turn signal lights are on the mirrors. different from the acura mdx but still pleasing. not sure why they didn't add it to the ody. as for the rear windshield wiper. at least it is easier to change instead of those dreadful 12" or 13" that you can't buy at the store but only at the dealer. but at least now I have a better idea of what will be in my drive way come june. :)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Yes, the competitors are celebrating, however, when Honda sells 150,000 a year, they will be quite. Regardless of how ugly and cheap it looks, people will still flock to it and buy it because it has an "H" on the grille
  • rexfrexf Posts: 20
    I note at least two trim levels (in one shot you can see a vehicle in the moving van in the background that has stamped steel wheels, suggesting possibly three trim levels): The vehicles with the five-spoke wheels do not have the upper-level turn signals on the outside edge of the rear-view mirrors and do not have the 'chrome' strip on the bodyside moldings. The one I can see that has the six-spoke wheels also has a 'Touring' badge on the lower right of the rear lift gate and has backup monitoring sensors on the rear bumper. Note also that the interior shots show a single front center armrest, like the current model, but unlike the split armrest design on the Detroit show 'prototype.' Also, the steering wheel has more controls than the current model. Although the headlights and front grill decoration are not very snazzy, I think Honda has done a good job carrying over its emphasis on Utility in SUV architecture.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,863
    I also noticed front sensors on one model - probably parking sensors.

    Knowing Honda it'll be:

    EX-L Res or Navi
    EX-L Touring
  • kenmarckenmarc Posts: 16
    "Looks like Honda bench marked the Ford F-150 for their interior design."

    Please don't insult my F150 like that! ;)
  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Do you see the handle on the rear glass? It looks like the glass may open separately, which would explain why the wiper has to be mounted to the tailgate.

    Good point. However, the '08 Highlander's rear glass also lifts separately from the tailgate and Toyota was able to stick the wiper completely on the glass.

    Looking at the larger photos available on one of the websites, the look is starting to grow on me. I still don't like the front end and the rear reminds me of an '08 Caravan.

    For me, there's just nothing that really makes the Pilot stand out at this point, other than it being a Honda. I'm sure it'll still sell well and make a lot of folks happy. :)
  • cheshire1cheshire1 Posts: 16
    > Don't get me started...First of all, both vehicles are only a Honda.
    > I could undertand if it were a Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, etc...
    > where I can understand as coming across being boastful.

    My apologies. Didn't mean it as a "boast" - more in terms of practicality: not all families can own 2 large vehicles, and hence be able to swap between them. For me, it is one or the other. What percentage of 2 vehicle families now have both from the mid/large SUV and minivan range? That's all I was saying.

    I totally agree. We have two cars, a 4 cylinder for work commutes, and the 08 pilot for hauling kids around. We wanted a relatively small vehicle with a 3rd row so that when we take the kids' friends to Girl Scouts or something, we can do it. Arguably, the Odyssey would have made sense, but I'm glad that the auto companies are making crossover SUVs with 3rd rows.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Please don't insult my F150 like that!

    Funny thing is, the F-150 interior is much more ergonomic, and stylish! My apologies!
  • zack82zack82 Posts: 42
    I think they are more afraid. Have you seen any real SUV's lately? Test drove the Highlander, felt like a big station wagon minus the woodgrain panel. All of those crossover SUV's look like mini-van's. Seqoua is a nice, nice SUV, but who has $45-50k to pick one up.

    Trust me, the Pilot will see like crazy...I can't wait to get mine and replace my 05 Pilot.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    I think the other poster was right. From the hinges on top of the glass it looks like the glass opens up separately, which is great in that respect.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    "...Ask anyone who ever owned one..."

    I used to have a Nissan Quest GXE with the wiper and never had any problem with that part (transmission, yes!), In either case, I think that would be a minor issue for anyone looking for a SUV.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I still have a '99 GXE and the rear hatch doesn't open on mine. I always thought that an opening hatch window would be a nice feature but I'm really not sure if I've missed anything. Maybe a few head bumps. :shades:
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    Mine was a 1995 and I thought the hatch was handy for quick drop of bags, etc. in the back. They must have changed the design to not let the '99 not open. But your are right, I did get a few of those head bumps! :)
  • gleen6191gleen6191 Posts: 80
    its FUGLY!
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    I hope that after this date we do not need to guess any more about the beauties/ugliness of the 2009 Pilot. The comments and reviews will be for real. I hope to hear a lot so I could make a decision.

    I wonder if I could unscrew the ‘H’ combination front badge, because it look just great without it.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    Mine and my co-worker's Villagers had the rear wiper stop broken.
    By searching your local, and you will see many Villagers and Quests have the same issue. We are talking about a 10+ year old Villagers and Quests here. Apparently, not all have that problem.
    See one here:
    (the picture at the top-right)
    It's a 1997 Villager (twin-brother of Nissan Quest)
    Keep looking, and you will see more.
    Of course, its a $200 repair, but a bad design, nontheless.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    All of those crossover SUV's look like mini-van's.

    I could not disagree more. CUV's look nothing like mini vans, that is why they sell so well, and mini van sales are on the decline. Outside of the interior room advantage mini vans have, people just don't desire them as much as they once did.

    The Pilot is a CUV trying to look like an SUV. However, I really don't see what it has that every other CUV out there does not have. Honda has had a few years to better their product, and from the looks of it, it does not look like it made many visual improvements. However, to be fair, I will reserve my final judgment until I drive one.
  • zack82zack82 Posts: 42
    The reason why Honda didn't do a CUV is because the market is clearly flooded with them. I still think they look like mini van's and drive like a car. Honda has the CRV, it has transcended into a small CUV imo. So, Honda chose not to release a bigger version and stuck with the Pilot. I guarantee that the reviews will be very good on this vehicle. If you didn't get a chance to see the prototype at an Auto Show, I think that your overall opinion will change.

    I admit, that when I first saw the prototype, I wasn't crazy about it. But when I went to the Detroit Auto Show, I was really impressed with it in person. I can't wait to drive it. Unfortunately, the demand for this vehicle is going to be huge and Honda ever makes enough of a new model to go around.
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    I have watched the video in which the product planner of Pilot talked about the selling points (or positioning) of the new Pilot are
    - utility (space, towing capacity)
    - MPG (6-4-3 VCM)

    If those are what you need, I am sure the new Pilot will make you happy. Honda has never been strong on styling (saved S2000, and NSX).

    Competitors are strong in the 3-row seat mid-sized CUV segment.
    GM Trio (+ Chevy Trasverse)
    Hyundai Veracruz
    Toyota Highlander
    Mazda CX-9

    We all know that Ridgeline is not selling well. We shall see if a Ridgeline-styled Pilot will sell as well as the out-going model.
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