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Renny
I would start talking individual, rather than encapsulating everyone there. My salesman has always been Seth Dwyer. I live in Maryland, not Virginia, so I don't mind passing 4 nearer dealers to get there to deal with Seth Dwyer.
I bought my last car with a telephone conversation and he delivered it to my house the same day.
Len, I forgot to ask, did you have the same experience with your 430? In other words, does the 460 represent an improvement, or are you just less fussy that I am?
Best regards, Renny
There is a lot of wind noise near the driver and passenger windows. It starts at about 45 mph.
If anyone is aware of a class action that has been started, please let me know.
Numerous posts on this thread describe my experiences with a 460L...wind noise, trunk switch, windshield wiper activation, etc., etc. Note it had laminated glass all around which should lessen wind noise but it was still quite bothersome.
At my age I don't have that many opportunities remaining so I dumped it and replaced it with a 450h. I was convinced with all of the problems I was having that Lexus, nor anybody else, could fix it to my satisfaction. The smaller vehicle has equivalent or better comfort, luxury, and safety features.
Life is too short to spend time in the customer lounge waiting for them to tell you after 3 hours "sir, we apologize for your trouble, but everything seems to be within specification."
I am getting ready to lease (3 yrs) a 2008 LS/460 (this will be the 11th Lexus in my family over the years). I've been an LS driver since 1990 and truthfully noise was never a problem. I've even had a client once ask me if my LS was electric! - it was so quiet
So, is there a problem with the 2008 models? (was the problem only with the 2007 models?)
-Thanks in advance
David
I would expect previous owners of the 4XX series more apt to report problems than those have not owned one of this series. My experience with 430s' was exceptional and was disappointed the 460 did not live up to my expectations. However, Lexus should welcome these comments and try and improve the product as their Corporate slogan claims. I would like to see a post wherein a dissatisfied owner reports since Lexus could not fix the problem on their particular vehicle they bought the car back and performed tests to determine how it can be improved.
Do purchasers of a $70-$85K automobile deserve anything less?
I'm still happy with my 04 LS430 UL, but I keep reading all these enthusiastic posts about the 460 and may go back to test drive another one one of these days.
Noting you drive a UL, I read on the latest Lexus post they intend offering air suspension as an option on the '08 SWB 460. That may be a possibility for me...it was this feature that interested me in January to buy the 460L which included it...not offered on the '07 SWB.
However, my 450h is a doozie...I especially like the PCS coupled with radar cruise...a helpful feature for geezers who sometimes drive LA freeways. This package will also be offered on the '08 SWB coupled with park-o-matic...ugh! Perhaps I can negotiate away the $700 option price if I get interested.
Final comment on PA...I received a call from a reviewer with the NY Times who is doing a special article to this feature...he was not too thrilled with it either and said so far couldn't much enthusiasm from other owners.
-David
-David
Jsut wondering, does anyone know what exactly is the premium floor mats? According to the lexus website.. there's this option which cost $255..my new one comes with it and I got it for the same price as those without this option...I was told by the dealer there's no difference.. but jsut wanted to make sure?
Does anyone know?
Does anyone know the specs for teh standard stereo system on the LS? IT says 10 speakers.. and 276Watt.. is there a subwoofer? haven't been able to find any info other than the ML system.
Thanks
If you are buying this car, make sure you test drive the car you purchase and listen for the noise. It appears that not all cars have it.
Have you tried Vista in Woodland Hills? That is where I got the 450, and I am particularly impressed with the attitude of the service department. There is a man named "Dave" who seems to know more about all cars in their product line than you will ever want to know. Might give them a call if you are a Valley resident.
I recently got a Lexus LS460.. it's a recent built 07/07..I've read a lot about this wind noise problem...but I am not sure how much "wind noise" is considered normal. Mine seems quiet.. I can certainly hear some wind noise on the highway but i wouldn't say it sounds like the window is open.
So, I am trying to see if mine need a fix or not. I read on another site that there's a fix out and someone even put the VIN number code for those that should require a fix. Mine is above the number which supposedly mean it's already been fix?
Can someone please explain the "wind noise" problem.. I've never owned a LExus before.. so I don't knwo if this is normal or not. Am I to expect not to hear any wind or road noise at all even at 60+ mph? I know I can hear cars driving by and stuff even in normal roads..is that expected or does it mean the window need to be fix.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
So don't worry about it and drive on!
I don't experience the whistling noise.. but I do notice wind noises which would probably be within normal for most cars.. just not sure about a LS. I read the service bulletin... and mine won't need any added padding as it's after the VIN change.. but the laminated glass does apply.
Still not sure if it's a good idea to have it taken all apart though!
Thanks for any input.
One of the more random annoying electronic glitches I had was the windshield wipers operating @ high noon on a cloudless day. Several other problems I experienced have been documented earlier on this thread; I also recall others describing going to their automobile in the morning finding the windows down and the sunroof open...fortunately it was in the garage.
Lexus is vulnerable to repeated complaints...they finally rebated $700 for that miserable park-o-matic feature I had, that neither I nor the dealer could demonstrate as a dependable, useful feature.
I found the standard 460 however to be a sorry disappointment. I thought the car rode like an Avalon (with way too much body roll and a way too squishy ride), and was boring as hell to drive down the highway. Edmunds review agreed. Although I haven't yet driven an LS460L with the touring package, I have a feeling that you have to configure the car in that fashion in order to get something worthwhile. I would not buy a straight 460. Why Lexus won't offer the touring package on the SWM 460 is beyond me.
Don't take it personally.
They really aren't that bad if you ignore all of the advertising hype, and discount everything the dealer / sales guy tells you. They're an average car company. Period.
Good luck with your analysis -- Renny
I did insist on getting the air suspension (but not the 19" wheels -- i.e., not the Touring Package), as well as the Dynamic Cruise Control, so I wound up with the LWB and an 86K price tag. The superiority of the 460 over the 430 is not in major features (the UL version had almost all of them), but in the little details that make for extra luxury, like the way the doors close, the Nav screen, and even, believe it or not, the ride quality.
Best regards -- Renny
Were you able to dodge the park-o-matic feature with your special order? That device really soured me on the car, although the air suspension was a joy. Lexus literature still implies the SWB can be ordered with pneumatic springs although dealerships seem reluctant to enter into a dialog re price, delivery, etc.
Hope your new rig continues to furnish the same satisfaction for you as my 450h has so far for me..