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Has any one else decided to switch out the Toyo tires for something else?
March 2007 -- Bridgestone Duelers (tires that came with the '04 FWD 4-cylinder Highlander but tread still passed state inspection earlier in the month):
(1) tank in town prior to trip -- 245.9 miles -- 22.8 mpg
(2) via Taconic Parkway and Interstates to just northeast of Evansville -- 25.9 mpg
March 2008 -- Yokahama Geolandars (new in February)
(1) tank in town prior to trip -- 246.2 miles -- 23.0 mpg
(2) via Taconic Parkway and Interstates to just northeast of Evansville -- 26.0 mpg
It's hard to say how close the mileage is with the two sets of tires. Driving speed would not be much different, but average temperatures may have been a bit colder in 2007 than in 2008. In 2007 I had two passengers for 4/5 of the trip (each maybe 175 pounds) while in 2008 I was by myself but with more cargo than the previous year. In 2007 the trip was pretty much precipitation-free, while in 2008 I had heavy rain for about 2 or 3 hours.
Consider it to be virtually the same mileage with the new tires?
Road noise was most noticeable on barely damp blacktop, either just as rain was beginning, or after it had stopped and almost all the water had evaporated. Otherwise it was noticeable to about the same extent as the Bridgestones on certain surfaces. Lynch Road in Evansville (off of I-164) is the major example, which is noisy in any vehicle because, I think, of how the concrete surface was poured. Not exactly grooved, but something similar.
I think road noise in general is about the same as with the Bridgestones. The Highlander with either set of tires is quieter than some other vehicles I have owned. One bit of evidence for this is that I listened to a German radio play on cassette tape a couple of times during the trip. I had bought this many years ago, thinking it would help pass the time while traveling. But road noise in a '79 Honda and '87 Chevy Nova was so great that my wife and I couldn't hear a good percentage of the play well enough to make out the words. No such problem this time.
I believe I mentioned before that the ride seems to be a bit stiffer than the original tires. I prefer a bit of stiffness, so I'm happy with the ride.
One tire to avoid might be Hankooks. A friend of mine in Indiana just put a set of their all-season radials on his Subaru Legacy wagon. First time I rode in it he asked me right away if I liked the aircraft noise. I asked him if he had a hole in his muffler or exhaust. That's what it sounded like to me, but it was just road noise from these tires.
When I bought the tires in February, there also was a 30-day money-back guarantee offered from the manufacturer. If that still is in effect, you have a way out if you buy them and really don't like them for some reason.
I bought this 2002 Highlander 2WD in April when I moved to Houston, Texas. Had only 39K miles on it (so it seemed gently driven) and 41Kish now. It will never go off-road if I can help it and I prefer "regular" streets to highway driving. The dealer told me the tires should get "15 to 20K more miles" but that's not how it turned out. I went to a Discount Tire to get one tire patched when I discovered two nails in it -- he told me the front tires "definitely" need replacement (I did the "quarter test" myself later and they do fail it) , and since the nails are in a rear tire, I'm going to replace all four.
But which ones????? I started out convinced to do Michelins -- either Cross Terrain or LTX. Then I got interested in Goodyears -- (not the OEM crappy Integritys on there now) -- but perhaps the Fortera TripleTred or Assurance ComfortTred? (I was all hepped up on the Fortera Silent Armor but it apparently does not come in my size -- 225/70r/16.)
I've read all the Tire rack reviews, been to ToyotaNation, talked to a Michelin phone rep (who told me the Cross Terrains were being "replaced" with the Latitude Tour and I should wait till mid-August to buy them...????)
My priorities are traction on wet roads (snow/ice not a fear here in hot Houston, but the approaching Hurricane Dolly rain certainly is) -- and as quiet a ride as possible. I don't want to cheap myself out, but I don't want to spend top dollar either. I'd like to form a "relationship" with a place that I can keep going to for balancing and rotating, and oil changes, etc. There are Discount Tires and NTBs near me, closest is a Goodyear facility. I'm assuming -- correct me if I'm wrong -- that a Goodyear dealer is only going to push Goodyears and not any other make. I plan to ride the Highlander to death (i.e. keep it several years) so I want GOOD tires on it, not just the cheapest I can get away with. I'm not working right now so I don't take a $700+ purchase lightly.
Also...should I pop for the Road Hazard policies? As I now have two nails in one tire, it does resonate with me ...
THANK YOU for all advice and reading all this! Speedy replies most appreciated!
I needed fair weather tires, for Hwy use only with fuel mileage, comfort, and noise as the priority. I ended up with the Kumo Solus KR21.
I like the price (under $120 installed for each tire), the warranty (80,000 miles with road hazard), and the noise levels. Oh and they are way better that the O.E. tires.
Thanks,
Mike
That number (the xx in 235/xx) is really a RATIO, not an exact dimension. So as the width gets wider, the sideway get taller if the same # or ratio is used. Therefore a 235/40 is a bit wider AND taller than a 225/40 even tho they are both /40. ( i use /40 as an example; I don't know what the # is on your highlander)
It's the change in sidewall height that can cause the issues with speedometer accuracy.
However, in this case the difference is so small that you really won't notice any change at all. A change of up or down 10mm is almost always of no concern.
If you want to play around a bit, tires.com has a calculator to see what happens as you change tire sizes. It even shows you how much your speedometer will be off.
try it here: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos
years ago I moved my camry from 195 all the way to 225 (a 30mm increase!), and in doing so also changed the sidewall # so as to keep the sidewall height the same and avoid any speedometer issues.
The advantages of wider tires are better traction in all conditions (simply more rubber on the road). The downside is that more rubber on the road can hurt gas mileage (higher rolling resistance). The other issues about wear and tear and torque and all that are largely inconsequential considering all the real factors that apply. I have had the +30mm tires on my camry for over 200,000 miles (not the same set mind you!) with no problems whatsoever.
Well, if you live in snow country (like Montana), you may find that a skinnier tire digs through the snow down to the pavement better. More rubber from a wider tire can cause you to float over the snow and lose traction.
Appreciate Kenlw responding and pointing out that there is not much difference in these tires affect on the mph and vehicle in general. I will be more careful in future posts.
But the tread pattern will negate this in the case of liquids like water. Which for us here is a bit more common than snow......;) and beach sand is a solid that we would really not dig down thru!
Very nice tire for noise, hwy comfort, and fuel mileage. They also preformed well in black ice conditions. Wife commented about slight slip on take off in traffic, but would grab in 1/2 rotation with traction control, while others in traffic could not get move and would start going sideways. Stopping and turning was not an issue.
Vary Happy with selection... Did I mention they are only $120 each installed.
Very nice tire for noise level, good hwy comfort, good fuel mileage, and very good in bad weather conditions. We also like the free road hazard that Kumo gives.
Vary Happy with selection... All for under $480 out the door.
Does anyone know why it is so hard to find? I have 20k miles on the original Toyos and while I love the car, I'm not impressed with the tire tread.
PS - I am not impressed with Bridgestone.
Thanks.
They will be installed next week. I will post back with results.
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos
Long story short, I just replaced them with Hankook 235/55 R19, Optimo H725s. These are 80,000 mile Korean made tires with a significant tread depth. We just drove up to Texas A&M from Houston and the ride was as good as the original Toyo tires. We had several different road surfaces, from Interstate to FM (Farm to Market) roads. No appreciable change in road noise noted. The reviews I found were very favorable, and my price came out to about 150.00/tire, vs some of the higher priced 19" Michelin's and other brands. So far, I have been satisfied, but will post any adverse information about them if I see it.
Is this the ordinary thing that Brand New Toyota Car come with Toyo Tire and they last just only 15000 miles? It is Toyo Open Country A20, 245/55 R19.
First I called Toyota Dealer where I bought my car, they said they do not carry Toyo Tire. I read my warranty for the Toyo Tire and I called them, the lady from customer relationship department help me a lot but the problem is what so ever the name she gave me of Tire Whole Sale and Garage whose are Toyo Tire Dealer in her list said the same thing to me which is " We no longer carry Toyo Tire anymore".
I went to Toyo.com too, I saw the list of Toyo Tire Dealer which are given by the lady but there is no cooperation.
I have to change the tire anyway because there are snow in our Area. But, I'm a little bit of upset about how Toyota & Toyo Tire play game on Royal Customer.
And I read the posts above, if somebody get 245/55 R19 of other Brand, pls let me know.
Thanks.
I almost give up to get some warranty coverage from Toyo Tire. Today, I have to drive down to other side of town where representative told me. When I got there, they said they are not Toyo Tire Dealer and they didn't carry it. I don't understand why Toyo tire play like this.
I called Toyo Tire customer service number. There is only one lady who answer the phone because I called several times.
First, she took my information then filed in their system. She gave me one name and address. It was in their Toyo Tire Website as dealer. I called to make an appointment and explain about the tires. He said he is not Toyo Tire Dealer and he do not carry Toyo Tire anymore.
I called her back, she gave me another name on the web. I called but got the same return.
I called again on next day, she told me to drive in, not to make appointment. I dropped in that store, I got the same answer but manager came out and looked at the tires and suggested me to drive a little bit more instead of making a phone call to Toyo Tire.
I called her back again and she gave me another name which is little far from our area but I drove down there. I got the same story. They all are on the list of Toyo Tire Website as Toyo Tire Dealer but all have one same answer that they are not.
I don't know who play the game, may be I'm so dump.
Last guy measure the depth, it's 4/32 ~ 5/32 on all tire. He suggested me to drive little more miles and then called back to Toyo Tire. He told me that most of the Tire Warranty start cover when it reach to 2/32.
Now I look on the net and make some calls, I found out there are only two choices for me:
Toyo Open Country A20 ( I will not use Toyo anymore) and
BridgeStone Dueler.
Anybody know other brand available?
Thanks.
Assuming you are talking All Season, and not Snow Tires, the 19in RIMS are unique and limit supply and manufacturers. You can switch tire sizes to 245/65 R17, but that may be risky and not sure how brake calipers would line up etc etc.
I have looked at Toyo (the OEM Toyo tyres are lousy, but Toyo do make other good tyres warranty to 100,000km - check their website) and Bridgestone have a 19 suitable as well. I do not have my docs with me for the little research I did, but will share when I get to them.
I am going to try and tough it out a bit more with the exisiting ones (i had mine rotated and aligned at Toyota dealership at the proper intervals, but who knows if they really did it, I should have chaulked my tyres!?), but let me know what you decide. Problem is I am leasing (1st of a 4 year) my 2008 HH, so am wary to go overboard on tires knowing i also have to get snow tires for next year so i am not stuck in my driveway for 2 weeks!
Good Luck, Bonne Chance, Buena Suerta -
I have Honda Civic and my bro in law has Honda Pilot, both OEM tire have had to change around 30000 miles. A lot better than Toyota OEM tire.
I rotate tires of all my cars at 5000 miles interval.
Thank Fraz Man for share with me. I will update about new tire when I got change.
By the way, I just got the letter from Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A.,Inc. concern of Third Row seat Belt Buckle Brackets of 2008 Highlander. It said because that third row seat belt fail to conform to specific portions of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety standard.
Did you get any professional advice one way or another regarding the change in tire size from the 245/55/19 down to the 235/55/19 ?
The Discount Tire spec compare tool shows the 235 size to be smaller in sidewall (-.22"), section width (-.4"), diameter (-.43") and circumference (-1.36") vs the 245.
I'm curious if you received any advice as to how these differences would affect vehicle performance and safety.
Thanks
By the way, I really learned a lot on this forum. Thanks.
I tried to write in Consumer Reports Forum but that was only for their subscribers.
Did you use the 35 offset? or what actual size did you buy.... I suspect it was 18 x 7.5 with a 40 offset.
I've been talking with Toyota Engineering in Japan via a friend over there and this is a HUGE problem that they WILL NOT discuss publically... it seems Bridgestone make promises on releasing more tires but never came through....
NOTE - Avoid the Bridgestone Duelers.... they are as bad as the Toyo Open Countries. :P