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marsha7, you got a real good point. The thing is cars cost a lot more than furnitures, so we tend to whine more about the $$$ we lose on the way, unless youre talking about those $20k sofa and beds from Italy
June 30, 2008
Our Long Term Cadillac CTS is well worth the $46,000 as equipped sticker
price. It's fun to drive, has plenty of cool gadgets not to mention it
is a really attractive car. Looks aren't everything but I can't stand
having something that everyone else has, that's why I like the CTS. I
find my self looking over my shoulder or out the window just to get a
glimpse. The pulled back headlights, and bulging fenders give it a tough
look. I like the Audi A6 or Infiniti M35 for about the same money - I'll
pass on the "me too" 5-series, especially in black or silver.
Think the CTS is too expensive? It's not. These days to get a really
nice car you've got to spend $30,000 plus, to get something special
you've got to spend more than $40,000. Am I wrong?
Go to: http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/3060
At least Edmunds thinks the CTS is worthy of it's price, a step toward retaining the standard of the world?
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OW
Of course not to you.
Anyway Edmunds compares the CTS in features and performance to the M45 which star at $44k.
I think if one considers a well equipped CTS as a low priced 5-series alternative, then you get a lot of car for the money. As an entry level sports sedan, the CTS is perhaps too big to start with, and a bit too expensive to be a low priced entry in the sports sedan market. The CTS is a "Cadillac" sports sedan.
As for today's Infinitis? They're just weird. I'd be more likely to buy an Audi than an Infiniti.
Yes, but take a look at the next LaCrosse first. Probably all she needs and would love it.
That would be great! It would make it the first production vehicle in the world to offer it. Doubt that will happen. Plug ins are a few years away yet. I think Volt may be the first.
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Cadillac is in a league of their own when compared with other GM makes, which is the way it should be. I too agree with the other posters that the CTS is viewed as a competitor to the 3 series as opposed to the 5 series in spite of GM efforts to the contrary. Do people actually cross shop a CTS and a BMW? I doubt it. I think they are more likely to cross shop a Lexus and an Infinity than BMW or Audi.
Then again I do not think many care who comes first as long as they see progress in alt fueled vehicles.
The first generation CTS was a 3-series type of car, while the STS was 5-series. Both were bigger than the comparable BMW. Now, the CTS seems to be inline to take over the STS spot when the STS/DTS move to a new platform and are combined into something else.
Had you claimed ownership of said bridge, I would have filed an immediate eviction suit against you, and further sued for trespass...
Please govern yourself accordingly...:):):):):):):)... :P :P
When you say the CTS will probably more up to compete with 5 series, what makes you think its capable of doing so? The quality and interior appointments, both that matter a whole lot in that class, are still below par. And then there's prestige, an area even STS still cant compete yet, and now Cadillacs planning to move the CTS up the class? I doubt it.
Besides, what will take the current CTS place then? Please dont say the BLS (or BTS???), the retrimmed Saab 9-3 definitely wont make the cut.
Cadillac should learn from Infiniti, from a half-premium wannabe to a genuine premium sports cars. Start low and climb its way up. Learn what it can and cant do. Nissan-Infiniti did that and succeed. Also for heaven's sake be reasonable on pricing, an STS costing as much as an equivalent 5 series isnt gonna sell. Were Infinitis priced close to Lexus it wouldve faced its doom right now.
Of course the doomed value of STS is the sole thing that gets my eyes on one. A mint 3 year old v6 is a sweet bargain at $25k. If I'm buying a new one, I'd spend my $50k somewhere else, like a much more luxurious lexus GS or Audi A6, which also retain their value much better btw.
Even I would look at a 3 year old STS for $20K...too low, you say? Wait awhile longer.
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OW
What I said was that the CTS might replace the STS, nowhere did I suggest that the STS is really a 5-series car. In fact it is not if the car magazines are right. I do think that the 2008 CTS may be as good as the STS V6. I do think that for the money the CTS is a bargain compared to 5-series V6.
Cadillac is supposed to be working on a smaller RWD sedan that will replace the current B-series available in Europe. I think that it might have been better to terminate the STS and call the new CTS the STS. This would have left a hole where the CTS was, but the new CTS is not a 3-series anyway.
I agree with the 1st statement, but heres the thing with the latter:
True the v6 CTS is darn cheap compared to 535i, but we cant forget that buyers considering 5series normally throw the word value out the window. In the realm of midsize luxury, Infniti's M and Acura RL are the value leaders.
I think that it might have been better to terminate the STS and call the new CTS the STS. This would have left a hole where the CTS was, but the new CTS is not a 3-series anyway.
Before doing that take a look at the competition. Take the M35 as an example, which btw is already considered somewhat lacking in the luxury appointments, yet still have better quality than CTS or even STS, both inside and out. Sit in one, examine the fit-finish, the interior materials, and do the same with CTS and STS. I bet you'll notice the difference right away.
Unlike the 3series market, those are what sell in this market!!! Trying to catch up with the pack means the CTS needs upsizing, new interior materials, and other luxury appointments. The result? Higher price... when that happens the CTS wont be that much of a value anymore.
I believe the CTS sell pretty well right now because its a domestic alternative to BMW 3series and other imports. Bigger than competition means a huge advantage over the cramped europeans. Plus, cheaper maintenance, and I admit its got good handling and soft ride. That might work on entry level market, but what about the midsize luxo?
Just my 2 cents...
The 5-series offers a lot of refinements that the 3-series does not have, in performance and luxury. The STS does not have some of the handling refinements either and the magazines say the STS's interior materials are lower quality than the European's.
My point has been that the STS and DTS will be combined into a new RWD model on a new platform and what this new car will be is somewhat unclear. It will be something like the G8 and perhaps there will be an STS that is an upgraded G8. The DTS will probably be a longer wheelbase G8.
That's just the reality as I see. it.
Regars,
OW
Yeah, and the funny thing is, the people to whom I give rides love those overstuffed velour seats in my 1988 Park Avenue and wish automakers still put them in cars.
2006 CTS 36K miles, Retail Value = $15,740.
NICE!
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I doubt any two year-old CTS that met my used car standards would be sold so cheaply.
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OW
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I've seen many 05 CTS-V for around 25K-ish.
Maybe the old CTS wasn't the value it was touted to be...maybe the poorly chosen interior materials hurt something, too.
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OW
Misinformation to make his point that he hates GM and to convinc all others of the same. You can say anything on the net. Remember he said that he lives in his own reality :sick:
https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx?sid=43
CTS has same rating as most Mercedes.
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OW
This one has 38,564 miles and looks in great shape.
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