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New Yaris Problem - A Lemon?
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Your car is less than a year old though and should be covered under warranty. That 120 is a load of crap from the dealer. At absolute worst, it might cost you 50 dollars for the visit if they don't find anything wrong (that's how the basic extended warranty used to work anyway).
Check your paperwork as you should be good for about three years total with the first year bumper to bumper (if you didn't get the extended).
I never heard of a car not be issued with a cabin air filter.... They said that paper from the glovebox seems to find it's way into everyone's fan unless they get a filter. Weird! But not a big expense.
To cut a long story short, the dealer we had the car towed to told us we were sold a lemon i.e. the car has had the front bumper and panels changed indicating that it had been in an accident and that the parts used were not even Toyota parts. They showed us in cloudy light and you could see that the colour was off. There was also signs of damage to the fly wheel at the bottom of the engine. Worse still, they told us that the car was another daily rental which we did not know.
Now we are in dispute with the dealer and we are all quite upset.
Anyway, don't buy a Yaris, be careful who you buy from and get it checked out before you buy. If you buy Toyota again, go for a Matrix but I would recommend the Mazda 5 which is a crossover vehicle or the Mazda 3 which is a hatchback. I am never going to buy Toyota again.
Did you get a Carfax report? B/c if you did and it showed a clear title then Carfax will buy the car back from you if they were wrong. If you bought a used car w/out a title search then you have no one to blame but yourself.
NEVER EVER EVER trust car dealers. I worked security at the National Auto Dealers Exchange in Jersey for years and they rob each other blind, what do you think they do to the average consumer?
One reason why I do not like more computer controlled stuff on a car. Very few techs really know how to work on the stuff or have enough electronics skills to troubleshoot it themselves.
even if you bought the car second hand you may be able to get a refund or replacement car.
and if you had been taking it in before warrenty was out for problems this works even more in your favor.
not sure what state you are in but well worth checking into lemon laws.
the dealerships make it sound more difficult than what it is cause they don't want you to go through lemon law.
save all paper work when took in for repair or diagosing.
In some states the dealership are required to give you proof of your bringing the car in every time.
We are going through the lemon law arbitrarion.
I'll tell you this much manufactures WILL bully, intimadate and every sly trick in book to scare you off read and follow all info in lemon law manual.
you should be able to find the resolution.
I hope it goes well.
We live in Puerto Rico, so I think the laws apply almost the same as in the United States.
always take a witness not related with you into repair shops or dealers. and if talking on phone with them use speaker with a witness present.
Hope all goes well.
our lemon hearing is in aug. finely going to get rid of this bad nightmare headache
what kind of nonsense is this and what makes you think any one in their right mind would believe this line of crap!?
who wants to own a car that the transmission acts up with no power. who waits 20 minutes to warm up a brand new car or an old one at that!? no one has time for it any more that's why we buy new.
we are in the 21 centry for crying out loud don't give me this crap!!!!!
just because toyota has a good reputation does not mean one can't ever be a lemon.
they do slip by.
Pride is no longer an issue for car companies. It's all about money, money, greed and more money.
and don't care who they mess over. just MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
What ever became of your problem? I recently purchase a 09 Yaris hatchback and have a simular complaint. About half the time I let off the gas to cruise up to a stop sign the car seems to downshift or have the brakes applied. This may save on the brakes but it seems like this would lower your gas MPG if you have to keep on the gas until you're close enough to let of and cruise. What really conserns me is that this only happens about half the time -- usually on a hot day after the car is warmed up. You can feel it kick down around 40 mph and then kick up when you reach about 20mph.
BTW -- that seems to be the speed where the resistance stops and you can feel it kick back into high gear -- yet I'm sure it's not really doing that. I have an automatic and I made sure it is in D when I test this out. I can duplicate the problem at 25mph but again, it only does it half the time and more so when the car is warmed up. Is this really normal for a Yaris? Won't this decrease my MPG?
Thaanks.
My Yaris is rated at 29-35MPG with some people getting 29-41 MPG. I drive like an old lady because I want to get the best gas mileage I can. About 90% of my driving in on the highway at 55-60 mph. I use the cruise (not factory -- purchased from another company) all the time to save gas. Even then it doesn't feel like it's in top gear even though I have it in "D".
While my gas mileage has dropped since I got the car the drag sensation has gotten more pronounced. If I pull out of my driveway and get my car up to 25mph it will drop to 20 in 5 seconds and that's going downhill. Then around 20mph it feels like the car kicks up into a higher gear.
As I said, this only happens half the time, more so when the car is warm or it's a warm day. It was cool this morning and I didn't have any problems coasting. I talked to another Yaris and they don't have this problem. I would feel better if this happened all the time, but as I said it doesn't. And I'm use to letting off the gas half a mile from a light and coasting without having to hit the gas again. But this car drops speed like a rock when whatever it's doing kicks in.
I'm dropping it off at the dealers tonight to see what he can make of it. Apparently I'm the only Yaris owner who has complained about this. Maybe I coast while others keep up the speed until they are on top of the light or stop sign.
Thanks for your reply
The problem wasn't so bad yesterday before I dropped it of at the dealer. It seemed that if the day is hot, I tend to notice the dragging more. Hopefully the dealer will feel the same problem and tell me what it going on.
On my yaris, the cruise gave out a surge due to incorect voltage whch blew the throttle sensor and you guessed, the damn thing broke down! This condition will always exist as I said before, the yaris is not wired for this. If you were to purchase a yaris with the 'convenience' package that includes the proper cruise control unit fiited by toyota at the factory with the proper wiring then you should not have any problems but do not fit the aftermarket cruise control it will seriously mess up your car if not invalidate any warranty you may have.
As for the rough driving, the automatic yaris is programmed to downshift when going downhill as an emmission control feature, it's very annoying but that's the way it is. As far as I am concerned, there should be no sudden downshifting except maybe at very low speed. If anything like that is happening, get rid of it and get a Nissan or a Mazda.
No, not automatically. If there's a problem with the car, Toyota would need to prove the aftermarket part caused the problem in order to deny a warranty claim.
I told him that doesn't make sense, and while it feels like it's in lower gear, I don't believe that's the case. When the car is doing 50 and dragging, I can shift from D to 3 and you can feel it downshift. When it upshift it goes back to normal. But if it was already in 3 gear it wouldn't do that, and I'm going to fast for it to be in 2nd.
It seems the problem has gotten better as colder weather sets in, although this morning it was the worst it's been in a week. It's not really bad, just annoying when you want to coast and feel the car holding back and slowing you down from time to time. Maybe after it breaks in this will improve.
Other than that I have no problems with the car. The after-market cruise works fine, perhaps not as well as the factory, but I've taken it on a 2 hour trip without a problem. When I talked to the dealer he said I won't have the same problem mentioned, so I hope he's right.
That's the update on my car at 2,500 miles.
Its goal is better highway fuel economy, but the problem is it's impractical to drive the vehicle in such a way as to use it - heck the car can't drive itself in such a way. The only way to keep it from falling out of high D is to accept minor decreases in speed. We as humans, and of course the cruise control, will typically adjust to maintain a specific speed therefore forcing the transmission to adjust.
I can't really call it a design "flaw", but it's certainly not the best execution. It can be made to work for you, but you have to be feather-light on the gas pedal and be willing to sacrifice cruise speed to keep it in that high D.
But all the other crap I have been having from this dealer is not going to be accepted. Stay tuned for further developments.