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Are Toyota's recent quality problems just a glitch?
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Let it go and move on.
:lemon:
Toyota, which is adding production capacity faster than any automaker in North America, faced nagging questions about its quality after 2.2 million recalls in 2005. But the world's No. 2 automaker managed to reduce recalls by about two-thirds in 2006 and continues to lead the industry in most quality surveys.
So save that :lemon: for your next bottle of Corona!
Not a good start for ANY automaker !
Sorry No corona for me......... I will save that lemon slice
for a TASTY Spaten Club Weiss ! :shades:
Just in case it doesn't, here's what I think it says:
In 2005 Toyota significantly more recalls than in other years, but if any potential buyer wanted to reduce his chances of having his vehicle recalled, he'd do far better in any given year to bet on a Toyota than a GM DCX or Ford.
500k plus so far this year and its only January !
Swirling down the bowl !
WOW.........GM going from 5 mill. to 1.6 is a KNOCKOUT
of a improvement 05 to 06 !
Seen this one already over at Det. news.com !
Surprising the toyota faithful would post it over here.... :confuse:
What I care more about is long-term quality, and defects that show up after the manufacturer warranty has expired. Those recall numbers tell me nothing about how severe the defects were, either. A faulty trunk latch or moonroof retractor is slightly different than a power control module defect.
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I'll second that opinion.
I've got a Toyota Celica which is currently subject to a recall. Aparently, the luminous intensity of the DRL's doesn't meet Federal guidelines.
Yawn.
In short, while I'm pretty well speechless at geo9's worldview where some cuts and bruises on Toyota's reputation equates to GM's attempt to recover from 30 years of cancer,I do believe that Toyota needs to concentrate on avoiding future recalls, in order to maintain their current image.
A continuing trend WILL hurt Toyota if they don't act. But: they will act. The difference between their situation and GM's is that GM ignored the problem for decades and now has a bad reputation, while Toyota has had a good reputation for 20 years. GM is having to change an entire culture and corporate structure, while Toyota only has to return to the stringent engineering and quality controls they already had in the recent past.
Finally, even if Toyota had to invest $100 per car to ensure quality, they have plenty of money with which to do that and still make a nice profit. A luxury that GM doesn't have.
Rocky
Especially this latest barb about currency maniulation. What that has to do with quality is a stretch, particularly when you know full well that all domestic automakers do big business offshore, and ALL domestic automakers hedge against offshore currencies. Toyota has no greater or lesser advantage in this context than ANY other carmaker doing business globally.
Rocky
"I hope these [Toyota Quality] problems continue and just maybe american's perception will change some"
Great - let's hope that the Japanese company's quality falls to the level of the American companies' so purchasers of all cars can suffer equally bad quality.
What kind of wish is that for the American consumer?
The whole premise of capitalism is that the guy with the better product gets the business......
Oh wait, I said Capitalism, didn't I.
Never mind.
If Cinderella gets a broken nose, her ugly stepsister might not look as hideous. Exaggeration, but you get the point.
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There is a reason why quality glitches won't take Toyota down like it did the Big3. They'll correct their issues faster than the 3 decades it took to take down the domestics.
See:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/AUTO01/702070349/1148-
for the complete story
poerformance sucks... the biggest issue is, Toyota refuses to acknowledge that Sienna has quality issues, dealers are trained by Toyota engineers to tell customers thats the way the vehicles are made... which is a load of crap... I had a '04 Sienna which performed much better than the '06 and I hear that the '07 is even worse.
some of the quality issues worth mentioning are;
1. engine, pickup performance,
2. engine noise is louder than previous models
3. climate control issues.
4. automatic door issues
5. steering in cold weather issues
if this keeps up Toyota will go down so fast to 4th or 5th place.
Interesting since the '04 was identical to the '06 and the '07 model got a substantial bump in hp/tq.
I know thats wrong.....
Rocky
Rocky
But then, I changed my oil and filter every 5K miles or less (doing it myself).
NOBODY is proving anything one way or the other with a post here. Time to stop acting as if you're afraid that if someone sees something negative about your favorite brand of car that they'll hate it forever.
Let's take a deep breath and move on please
I have a suggestion though: because the sludge issue has migrated here, how about if the "Toyota Engine Sludge" forum gets closed (again), and the posts since the latter was recently reopened are transferred here?
Seems to me that having two separate forums is redundant.
I posted the following elsewhere, and I suggest it also applies here. (Please don't interpret it a spamming.) Here goes:...
There is always more than one side to any controversy.
Often there are at least three views; "The Right Answer; The Wrong Answer; and Whatever Answer One Wants To See!!"
An example of this contention is an article this week in The Detroit News about this resurrected sludge issue:.....
It would be accurate to say that there have been enough issues with Toyota in the past couple of years that they don't have the spotless image they had a couple of years ago," said Karl Brauer, editor in chief of Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site.
But he adds that problems at Toyota attract a disproportionate amount of attention because of the automaker's sterling reputation for quality. "Most companies wouldn't get noticed for these problems."
Further complicating matters, sludge issues aren't clear-cut. Excessive heat, sediment, poor oil condition or a combination of those factors may thicken the oil. In engines with very narrow passages, small amounts of sludge may get stuck, causing damage.
DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group and Volkswagen AG are among the automakers that have faced complaints about engine sludge in their vehicles.
"There are reasons to believe that the engine design could be contributing to it, but there are also reasons to think that lack of maintenance or proper customer care is contributing," Brauer said. "Everything I've read indicates something kind of in between."
Now, as to the quality problems Toyota currently suffers, is this situation a glitch...or not?
If one follows the analogy I suggest in the above, it depends on individual perception. Obviously there is a myriad of views on the question, from one extreme to the other. That's what forums like this are for, right?
FWIW, my view on the matter coincides with the "somewhere in the middle" opinion expressed by Mr. Brauer of Edmunds.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4212545.html
The headlights remind me of the Gallardo's! :surprise:
Killerpiece :shades:
Rocky
toyota realled MORE vehicles than they produced.
(In USA, N. America, worldwide, cars, trucks or both ??????????)
2.26 MILLION made
2.38 MILLION RECALLED
This does not bode well for almighty toyota
I was in the January 9th WSJ talking about the Tundra's impact on the market.
Rocky
P.S. 2.38 million isn't good is it. :surprise:
Ya know those 2.38 MILLION recalled toyota vehicles
must be a SMALL glitch................. :P
Seems we're back again (still) to a "Them against Us" fiasco.
I'm wondering if it's within the host's purview to either.....(1)Put a stop to nuisance posts which add no value at all to the discussion; (2 Ask the nuisance posters to be civil, or go somewhere else; or (3) Close this topic because it's turned into a scrabble.
Unfortunately like I read in other Toyota, forums the owners of reliable Toyota vehicles will blame the owners of the recall vehicle for the vehicle being recalled.
It's like Kirstie, has said no car company is perfect. I don't know why the faithful get so upset if their brand is having some recent glitches. Well I suppose 2.38 million isn't really a glitch is it ? It is a problem they are having right now and all car company's seem to have a few problems once in a while. This probably won't be the last of their problems and I'm sure GM, like toyota will have more "glitches" in the future.
I however would rather not hear any more talk though about how superior and flawless Toyota's are. That is why this issue is somewhat sensitive to some. GM and Toyota, should remain among the top for quality and reliability and that is something both car company's should be proud of.
Rocky
We get it. You do not agree on each other's choice of vehicle. Saying it over and over again does nothing to make your point, it simply gets annoying and continues the spitting match.
It's time to stop acting as if it's your duty to counter anything you see that doesn't agree with your view of the world.
Personally, I think we're in "cabin fever" time :surprise:
Let's drop the dispute and move on please.
They revolutionized the business model for manurfactoring.
They have surpassed Mercedes in engineering safer vehicles.
The Camry remains the benchmark the big 3 keep chasing.
The Camry remains the benchmark the big 3 keep chasing.
Chasing :confuse: maybe 3 years ago... the Fusion performs just as good as the Camry.. it looks better than the camry.. and can be had with AWD.. thou the interior of the camry is better than the Fusions ,ill give them that .
The Saturn Aura is a fine example of how the big 2 are no longer chasing
But in the end all that matters is sales, and the Camry isn't losing the "best selling car" title anytime soon :sick: