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Honda/Acura Odometer Class Action Suit



  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Good luck w/ the Sante Fe. I am sure you will find it to be a more positive experience than that of which compared to your Honda. Hopefully, Hyundai conforms to your high level of quality control. Finally,I'm sure at some point you'll discover the great resale value of the Sante Fe if you ever decide to get rid of it.

    ;) :surprise: ;)
  • panmaxpanmax Posts: 24
    "...seems more than fair to me. Where have I gone wrong here?" End quote.

    You are missing that Honda had to get caught by the legal system to make good on the odometer problem.

    If the owner does not pursue a lawsuit, Honda just keeps collecting more lease fees and has to cover less warranty repairs because the miles on the odometer show more than actual miles. And those who have fast running odometers just before or just after the date of manufacture of the class action settlement do not receive any compensation even though their vehicles often have the same problem.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 858
    ..well - max - I grant you that Honda did not initiate action prior to the lawsuit.

    I really didn't take understand (California land grant college, right?) your last sentence.

    (But I do appreciate your time/perceptions.

  • Hi,
    I own a TL type S built during that period and have not received a letter. I heard about this today from my sister who caught it on the news.
    But, I keep receiving a recall notice regarding the seat belt for an Acura I haven't had for 4 years !
    And, I agree with all who say the mileage SHOULD be accurate. It has implications selling, warranty, trading in.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Honda just keeps collecting more lease fees and has to cover less warranty repairs because the miles on the odometer show more than actual miles.

    I am not making excuses for Honda. But when you consider all the good-will repairs Honda does for it's customers (after the warranty has run out), it makes it hard to believe they did this to reduce warranty claims. Leases, would be another matter.
  • Honda's/Acura's good graces? Geesh, I bought my TL 100 miles away and can't have it serviced at a Honda dealer 5 miles away. Resale, warranty, everything depend on the mileage and 4% can add up. I've never received a notice for this, only a transmission recall, which we had to drive 200 miles round trip to have serviced. I'm rather disgusted. I'd like to sell my car with 30,800 miles on it as opposed to 32K. It does make a difference.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Low miles on a car has a huge effect on trade-in value. :cry:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I just checked the kbb value on my Accord (03 EX V6, no nav.) I have 42,000 miles. The private party value was $14,910. Then I went back, and changed the mileage 4% (43,680). Guess what the change was.... $0. It came up with $14,910. When I sold my old 92 Accord, I got $1000 over the kbb value anyway. It's not so much about the miles when you sell your car. It's more about the condition the car is in.
  • my 2006 TL hit 20K miles today.

    I am very disappointed.....this is will probably be my last honda/Acura.

    I wish I went with a IS350 instead....not I am stuck with this. How I see it now Honda is no better than Ford and Chevy.

    I want a refund check!
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Yes the condition of the car is most important, but I tend to put a lot of miles on my cars.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701

    why are you disappointed- because of the odometer issue or are there some major mechanical and quality issues?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Let's say you would have 150,000 miles on your car, when you sell it. (Add 4% 6000 miles). I don't think it will make much difference to the buyer, if the odometer has 156,000 miles on it. From what I've been reading, other car makers do the same thing. I would not be surprised if this is not the last odometer case the Lawyers will try to make some easy money on.
  • Don't own a honda but the story on the forum cuaght my attention and I thought I would through my 2 cents in.

    (only read about it here so that is the most I know about it)

    Do I think Honda intentionally calibrated only one of their model's odomimeters to register 3-4% higher then they should: Most likely No, or if they did it would be more widespread and closer to an acceptable error rate hovering slightly over 1% and on more models.

    HOWEVER, do I think they found it out after production and could have fixed it after extensive testing = OF COURSE

    3-4% is significant enough when they are doing all of the testing on the vehicle before it is released to the public it would have been noticed.

    POINT: They found out after it was in the car the cost/benifit or risk/reward ratios start playing a factor.

    Would the cost of recalling every accord to fix the odimeter be financially worth it = NO

    Moderate probability no one would notice and file a lawsuit therefore they don't need to spend the money on the recall, bonus is the mistake is in their favor for lease milage and maintence costs.

    Solution roll the dice and hope nobody notices. If they do oh well we need to do the recall and give people the milage/money back they deserve anyways.

    If you ask me heavy punative damages should be levied upon the company and an audit done on all models to see if it was pervasive throughout other models

    Anyways that is my longwinded 2 cents

  • Further elaborating on my above point punative damages are the only thing that causes a large corporation to take notice and change the way the act in the future.

    Yes it is true that more then likely the lawyers who filed the case will reap the most lump sum financial benifit however that doesn't mean that the general public doesn't benifit as well. Depending on if Honda was aware, and if the actively tried to cover up (de-fraud) the consumer they can be held acountable for actual damages as well as punative.
    Punative damages are where the company can get hit the hardest so that it sends a message "don't try to de-fraud the general public again".

    Therefore next time when they find "a mistake" in their favor next time, they might think twice before sneaking by the unsuspecting consumer. And it goes for all car-manufactures not just Honda.

    Do you think if Ford ran into a similar situation as Honda, but Honda got hit with a mega-million dollar punative damage verdict they would chose to take the same road and try and cover it up, or bite the bullet and pre-emptively recall and corect the situation.

    Again thats just my long-winded 2 cents
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I own an 06 TSX, bought ll/17/06, 10 days after the lawsuit expired. I received in the mail a Q Ultimate Power Train Warranty- up to 7 years or 100,000 miles. It did not cost me anything but I was wondering if anyone received this. It requires that if I have problems I have to bring it to the selling dealer to have this warranty cover it. I love the car, no problems (knock-on-wood)
  • I routinely check the speedometer and the odometer of my vehicles when new and after a tire purchase. My dozen or so past vehicles have fallen in the 0 to +4% range for the odometer. My 2004 CRV odometer is 102% clocked over 20 miles. My 1998 Accord is 101.5%. (checked over a straight highway with GPS) Both speedometers are spot on. I would like manufacturers to aim for an average of 100% on their odometer errors. I usually get 1% change over the life of the tires.

    With that said, I benefit little from this settlement as I am over the mileage on my 2004 warranty. I would think it appropriate to award at least a credit good for a service. Now if Ford, Nissan, GM and Chrysler will cover my former vehicles ....
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    if you stop driving you won't get any more miles, thus solutioning your problem. :P

    So are you mad that you drive the car? Your post just makes it seem that you don't like that fact it has that many miles.

    Maybe following up on what is wrong with you tl would be helpful...
  • msindallasmsindallas Posts: 190
    I am thinking of buying an Acura - If you notice a discrepancy in the speedometer and/or odometer with respect to a GPS unit, can't you take just the vehicle to the dealer and ask them to recalibrate it? Is this (the recalibration) really a big big problem? Thanks for the responses, - MS.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,863
    AFAIK, recalibrating a speedometer/odometer is not a simple task. It involves specialized equipment that I imagine few dealers would have.

    IMHO, in the vast majority of cases the calibration is within the specifications of government regulation. I realize that some folks think there's some kind of conspiracy going on but let's get real folks.
  • wise1wise1 Posts: 91
    I recently bought an 07 Accord SE and would like to know is it affected by this ODO discrepency??? J VIN bought in Jan 07. :)
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    If you had looked at the second post in this thread you'd find the link you need:

    "If you bought or leased a model year 2002 through 2006 Honda or Acura automobile or a model year 2007 Honda Fit, in the United States or its territories, between April 13, 2002 and November 7, 2006, you may be entitled to receive benefits under a class action settlement."
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I took delivery on my 2006 acura tsx on 11.17.06. I originally was going to pick it up 11.02.06 but had to wait. Therefore I am not in the class action suit- My car's odo works fine so I really do not care.
  • I have an '06 pilot that I took delivery of in April 2006. I assume that it is included in the lawsuit. How is Honda providing information to owners regarding the extension of the warranty? Should I contact the dealership?
  • carfan28carfan28 Posts: 43
    The lawsuit hasn't been resolved yet. The lastest is that we're looking at a July/August time frame.
  • jak666jak666 Posts: 4
    The settlement documentation provided an interesting commentary on how these kind of things work. The woman who first noticed this problem and wanted to file a lawsuit will get a $10,000 "incentive award" for her trouble. The lawyers involved will get $9,800,000 for their efforts...

    I do sorta wonder what the lawyerz did to justify such a hefty payday.... :surprise:
  • artasartas Posts: 18
    :sick: To start, I have to fairly new Hondas (2005 odyssey and 2006 civic hybrid). Odysseys droning noise, which has not been solved, driving me nuts, as well as being paranoid, weather anything will brake again, related to it (already power steering, brakes and A-pipe replaced). Dealer wrote on their final report "Customer reports there is a moan in the drivetrain at about 2100 RPM's Test drove several times called tech line checked like vehicle found same type condition in other vehicles need to wait for honda to poss come out with a fix for this condition"
    Guess what? Honda customer service does not see this as a problem. Condition that needs to be fixed is neglected, condition - vibration-resonance, which destroys moving or jointed parts, according to them is not a problem (but won't release this statement in written form, they'll just hang up the phone).
    Probably those two ladies tried to tell that to honda customer service, but were bounced off the wall. What was the next step - advertisement on billboard "if you been hurt call 1888nnnnnnn". I am against trial lawyers, but big corporations don't deal with individuals, just like in that ad about whats in your wallet"
    And about deviation from normal reading, why is it on the over reading side, I thought its a curve, which has similar downslopings on both sides with mean in the center, looks like honda shifted that to the right without noticing it. Hahaha. what a folk tale.
  • dartdatadartdata Posts: 1
    I am not a lawyer, but I am familiar with how these firms work. First, they probably spent about 2-3 million litigating the case. There are 6 million consumers which will need to be mailed court documents - that alone will cost $2 million or more. Also, attorneys have to pay experts for their reports and testimony and spend other money on research to determine that there is a problem. The case was worked on for four years, and it will be another six months to get all consumers compensated. There were four attorneys involved that spent huge amounts of time and resources on the case. They all have staffs: receptionists and other assistants that have to be paid every week. When you divide the 9.5 million by four it is just over 2 million each. Take out all expenses and there is probably $1 million per attorney profit. Assuming they lose 25% of the time much of this goes to the costs accumulated on losing cases. This means each attorney may only pocket 500k - 600k for the case. This may be alot for some people, but not for business owners with advanced degrees.
  • golfnut5golfnut5 Posts: 202
    I really feel for the lawyers. :cry:
  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    dartdata---huh, are you serious or joking? Hard to tell....

    There is something very wrong with a process in which the consumers net very minimal gain, especially when they are designated as a member of a "Class" without their personal consent. The resources of our court system are clogged up further, adding to the backlog that already exists.

    This class action is one of hundreds filed every year in our country. We have more lawyers in the USA than China has scientists and India mathematicians and Japan engineers. Think about it.

    And for each such case, "each attorney may only pocket 500k - 600k"

    Unless we are seeing substantial revisions to case law that further benefits society (questionable at best), a deterrent for future corporate wrongdoing (again, very questionable given this particular case), or some sort of meaningful consumer benefit (questionable is being kind), you have to question the validity and logic of the uniquely American class action litigation system.
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