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has anybody seen this problem - after a google it seems it may be common but i cant find a solution.
when i go to start it it takes a few tries and then does it all over again - sometimes the 4x4 light comes on - sometimes the OD light comes on -
a mechanic did diagnostics yesterday and told me it was sensors - he replaced 3 of them - one at the back differential, one at the transfer case near the trans, and then one on top of the trans - it seemed to work fine for the short drive home but then today it died several times when excelerating and or stopping.
What to do?
I am now waiting on a tow truck to show up at my house to tow off my
2006 Expedition Limited due to transmission issues. The truck only has 27,200 miles and just went out of warranty in the middle of May, only 2 months ago!!
Of course I will speak to Ford directly about this to see if they will participate in the repairs but first thing is first. I need to find out what is wrong so it is going to the dealership for diagnosis.
The problem(s) started when we noticed a light knocking sound coming from under the truck, then rough shifting and finally slipping out of gear while doing 30mph or so, reving up and then slipping back down into gear.
I would appreciate any advice. Thanks,
My car was taken to a dealership. They diagnosed the problem and don't know the exact cause but gave a rough estimate of $2500-3500 to fix it. I kept my cool, called Ford Customer Care (huh!), they reviewed my record and gave a final decision that there is nothing Ford will do to assist in the repair cost$.
I was told that was their final decision and there is not further appeal process to Ford. This makes me very bitter. I buy American and look what I get. A transmission that only lasts 27,200 miles and then a company that will not even assist after the warranty just expired 60 days ago. I told them a Yugo would last much beyond that! Very bitter and I hate to say it but no more Fords!!!!!!!
I would look for a reputable transmission shop and either rebuild yours, or put a used one from a wreck. There are many of those transmissions out there.
TSB 08-22-7
11/10/08
DRIVELINE BUMP WHILE BRAKING - BELOW 10 MPH (16 KM/H)
FORD:
2007-2008 Expedition
This article supersedes TSB 08-4-13 to update the Issue, Service Procedure and remove the production fix date.
ISSUE
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This procedure will improve the bump felt while braking to a stop.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
CAUTION APPLYING THIS PROCEDURE TO UNITS THAT DO NOT EXHIBIT THE COASTDOWN BUMP MAY RESULT IN WORSE SHIFT QUALITY.
NOTE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.
1. Install Integrated Diagnostic System/Portable Diagnostic Software (IDS/PDS) or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
2. Update the Power Control Module/Transmission Control Module (PCM/TCM) calibration using IDS release 57.8 and higher or 58.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2008.9 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at the website. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
a. Verify that the TCM shows 8L1P-7J104-AC (8L1P-7J104-BC for 2008 vehicles built after 12/3/2007) part number after reprogramming is complete.
b. Select the following from IDS, Tool Box, Powertrain, OBD Test Modes, Mode Level 9 Vehicle info, TCM Cal Part Number.
3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
a. Using IDS:
(1) Open Toolbox.
(2) Choose Powertrain.
(3) Choose Reset KAM.
(4) Then Choose TCM.
b. Using PDS:
(1) Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
(2) Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.
NOTE FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.
NOTE UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.
NOTE DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.
4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 °F (80 °C). If it is not at 175 °F (80 °C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
NOTE TFT MUST BE AT 175 °F (80 °C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.
5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:
a. Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
b. Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
c. Repeat Steps (a-b) a total of five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
d. Accelerate from rest with light throttle ensuring that the 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
e. Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
f. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.
g. Repeat steps (e-f) three (3) times.
NOTE THE HARSH BUMP FELT WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE IMPROVED. HOWEVER, SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING ARE REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.
I appreciate your help on a 98 expedition which causes aloud banging noise from the transmission area while under hard acceleration. The fluid is clean and filled correctly. The truck shifts fine and drives fine under normal acceleration, but when you try to give gas in order to pass or get off in a hurry from the pack the trans. does some serius banging.
Thanks, GK66
Please feel free to do this yourself. I only have 6 months left on my lease and I too will never again buy a Ford product. Between myself and my husband we have owned approximately 8 Ford vehicles. If this is the way they treat loyal customers, I don't want any part of it! :mad:
Any ideas on what would cause this?
Only does it for split second and don't notice any slippage, just the odd noise. Doesn't do it every time so dealer probably won't be able to replicate.
Any ideas before we take it to dealer?
TSB 09-6-1
04/06/09
6R75 TRANSMISSION - SQUAWK NOISE DURING
POWER/FORCED DOWNSHIFT
FORD:
2007-2008 Expedition
This article supersedes TSB 08-19-8 to update the vehicle model years and remove the production fix date.
ISSUE
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles equipped with a 6R75 transmission may exhibit a squawk type noise during hard acceleration down shifts (4-3), (5-3) and (6-3) downshifts. The noise is produced during the release of the overdrive clutch.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Follow Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 307-01B to replace the overdrive friction plates.
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT : Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.
Thank you,
Spud1W
Thank you,
Spud1W
:confuse: :sick: :lemon:
Thanks for the reply and you are of course are right on the engine size. 50 years ago I would have that burnned into my brain. I built dragsters back then, But that time and extreme interest in cars has long pasted.
So you think the torque converter may be the issue. To me that sounds better than the transmission. Since the torque converters performance is very involved with the fluid in the transmission do you think changeing the fluid and filters would help the situation?
The truck is in warranty but I am always supicious of the parts changers at the dealers. I shoot 1000 yard rifle competition with 2 master auto mechanics. We end up on long drives together to the matches. They share many stories with me about the happenings in their shops. Unfortunatly they aren't Ford guys and the thing is in warranty. I will ask them about it but my son suggested I try here first. He said I might find someone who has actually fixed the same problem and maybe I have.
Please share more of your knowledge. If it is the torque converter what do you think is happening. And if you had the car and that wasn't the problem what would be your hit list of things to look at next. I want to be a smart as I can before I take it to the dealer.
TSB 08-22-7
11/10/08
DRIVELINE BUMP WHILE BRAKING - BELOW 10 MPH (16 KM/H)
FORD:
2007-2008 Expedition
This article supersedes TSB 08-4-13 to update the Issue, Service Procedure and remove the production fix date.
ISSUE
Some 2007-2008 Expedition vehicles may exhibit a bump feeling while braking to a stop below 10 MPH (16 Km/h). This procedure will improve the bump felt while braking to a stop.
ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
CAUTION APPLYING THIS PROCEDURE TO UNITS THAT DO NOT EXHIBIT THE COASTDOWN BUMP MAY RESULT IN WORSE SHIFT QUALITY.
NOTE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REPLACE THE MECHATRONIC UNIT. MECHATRONIC REPAIR/REPLACEMENT IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR THIS ISSUE.
1. Install Integrated Diagnostic System/Portable Diagnostic Software (IDS/PDS) or equivalent and ID the vehicle.
2. Update the Power Control Module/Transmission Control Module (PCM/TCM) calibration using IDS release 57.8 and higher or 58.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2008.9 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at the website. Since the TCM cannot be independently reprogrammed, reprogram the PCM to ensure that engine and transmission calibrations are updated to the latest level simultaneously.
a. Verify that the TCM shows 8L1P-7J104-AC (8L1P-7J104-BC for 2008 vehicles built after 12/3/2007) part number after reprogramming is complete.
b. Select the following from IDS, Tool Box, Powertrain, OBD Test Modes, Mode Level 9 Vehicle info, TCM Cal Part Number.
3. Clear TCM keep alive memory (KAM) and adaptive tables.
a. Using IDS:
(1) Open Toolbox.
(2) Choose Powertrain.
(3) Choose Reset KAM.
(4) Then Choose TCM.
b. Using PDS:
(1) Choose all Tests and Calibrations.
(2) Scroll down the menu and choose reset TCM KAM.
NOTE FOR PDS, RESET TCM KAM IS NOT THE SAME AS CLEAR TRANSMISSION ADAPTIVE TABLES, WHICH IS UNDER THE POWERTRAIN - TRANSMISSION MENU TREE.
NOTE UNHOOKING THE BATTERY WILL NOT CLEAR THE TCM KAM.
NOTE DO NOT CLEAR THE PCM KAM.
4. Verify that the transmission fluid temperature (TFT) PID is above 175 °F (80 °C). If it is not at 175 °F (80 °C), drive unit approximately 3 miles (5 Km) to reach temperature.
NOTE TFT MUST BE AT 175 °F (80 °C) OR ABOVE BEFORE PROCEEDING TO STEP 5.
5. Drive unit to perform adaptive shift strategy learn:
a. Accelerate from rest with light throttle to 15 MPH (24 Km/h), remove foot from accelerator pedal.
b. Brake very gently to a complete stop (allow at least six (6) seconds).
c. Repeat Steps (a-b) a total of five (5) times in the dealership parking lot or similar setting.
d. Accelerate from rest with light throttle ensuring that the 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 shifts occur at engine speeds between 1300-1800 RPM.
e. Continue to accelerate until you achieve 50 MPH (80 Km/h) or the 5-6 upshift.
f. Brake gently to a complete stop and hold foot on brake for at least 10 seconds.
g. Repeat steps (e-f) three (3) times.
NOTE THE HARSH BUMP FELT WHILE BRAKING TO A STOP WILL BE IMPROVED. HOWEVER, SEVERAL DAYS OF DRIVING ARE REQUIRED FOR THE TRANSMISSION TO FULLY ADAPT.
WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.
OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
082207A 2007-2008 Expedition: 1.0 Hr.
Check DTCs, Reprogram
The PCM And TCM,
Includes Time To Clear
KAM And Perform Road
Test. Authorization Decal
Not Required (Do Not Use
With 12650D)
Ford told me that the transmissions work fine and are durable. What messes up is the communications between all of the systems in the drivetrain and the transmission. The transmission learns how you drive and adjusts it shift pattern to your style or the terrain you drive on. So if it gets confusing inputs it starts shifting strange/funny/weird.
My problem started after a serious 4 wheel experience when I unexpectedly got into off road wet conditions . I was having to clean the mud out of the tire tread by keeping the tire speed above 40 mph while going about 5 mph. There was much stopping and starting. After that the transmission jerked.
They re flashed it in a few minutes and you would think it was a new car.
I parked it today to run in and get a taco. Engine was on, as my son was in the car with the a/c on, listening to music. After sitting there for five minutes, it suddenly started to move, and it rolled into another car! Damage was minor, but I'm wondering was this my fault and I merely thought I put it into "park" or could it have shifted into drive somehow? Do these transmission ever shift by themselves with the engine on?
I appreciate any help any anyone can offer. To say I'm upset is an understatement--because I don't know if I had a lapse in brain power or if my car is safe. Comments?
my husband just changed the fuel filter and tested the fuel pump. all is fine there.
thank you in advance for your time.
We had transmission problems in June 2009 and the dealership "fixed" it under warranty, funny now that there is body damage and we are close to end of warranty they are washing their hands. The pros from Ford have never contacted me, my wife, or the tow driver to get our information either. It ain't over!
Reading the previous posts on this forum, I also realize that the slight bump that I get sometimes switching from Neutral to Drive wasn't just my bad driving, it might be part of the problem? This was very intermittent and it started several weeks ago. I just didn't think much of it.
The only warning signal I have been getting is the Low Tire Pressure Warning because I'm missing a TPMS and I'm not paying over $300 to get it replaced so I just override it all the time. I don't ever tow anything.
I can't find any information about "coils". Can anyone confirm that I'm not just being told a B.S. story because I'm a woman and if you had a similar problem and got it fixed, how much did it cost you? I still have 2 years of payments on the car! Grrrr.
then no too long after that happened our catalytic converters needed to be replaced {the isues you are having now are similar to what your describing - our suv didnt wanna go it has no power at all and took forever to get to 40mph} on both the drive and passenger side which is a pretty penny ... we were told this normally occurs due to the coil packs misfiring .....
good luck ... from researching on the web it seems like these issues are issues many people face who own an expedition .... i hope what we have endured helps you diagnose your issues much quicker than what we endured ....
BTW, A coil pack from the dealer will run you around $90, from an auto parts store around $50, and on ebay you can find a set of 8 for $90. Other users in boards I follow have reported great results with the ebay purchases.