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and I also had two Siamese Cats students:
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They are crime fighters! Enjoy!
-cat
Towed our 1600# (curb weight) '95 Coleman Rio Grande (big, comfy, sleeps 7) 385 miles each way from Denver with nary a problem. Got 22 mpg going 75 into a strong headwind ! Can you spell very pleased ? Best tank was over 30 without the trailer touring the area. Our '01 S+ was rock solid the whole way despite very strong, gusty winds, sometimes from the side. Plenty of power in the hills.
Saw Mt Rushmore, hiked to Harney's Peak, toured Jewel Cave, rode the 1880 steam train, visited Mammoth Site, spent an afternoon swimming in the natural hot springs at Evan's Plunge, drove through Custer State park and the Needles Highway. Lot's of quality time with my 6 yr old and darling wife. Weather was perfect and no crowds. (Got lucky, frankly, might have had snow.)
I am getting down to the bottom line and appreciate all your help.
Thanks, Donna
The new interior feels chinsy to me, compared to my '01 S+. I don't like the dash, the instrument cluster, the cloth seats, or the decreased headroom. They also did away with my cubbies ! We use the cubbies in the doors for all kinds of stuff, keeps the clutter down.
OK, nuff said on my personal take of the '03. Here's the news (at least it's news to me) that's pertinent to the Subaru club at large...
Has anyone heard of the "all new" manual 5-speed transmission on the '03 ? I confirmed at the dealership and on the tech hot-line that the '03 has an "all new" 5-speed (tech line parts specifier's description), with a revised clutch disk and pressure plate. The '03 clutch and pressure plate are not compatible with the first generation 5MT. This is why they bumped the towing capacity on the MT and not on the AT in the '03.
Also, there have been 4 revisions of the clutch disk and 1 revision of the pressure plate during the first generation ('98-'02). The last revision of the pressure plate was in Sept of '99. Most chattering issues with our clutch can be traced to the clutch plate lining being sensitive to dampness, which explains why most complaints are related to cold weather (condensation). They've been adjusting the clutch lining material. The pressure plate itself has been less of a problem on stock cars.
Thought you guys would find this interesting. I did.
Bob
Interesting indeed Brian. 46k on my original 1998 clutch, though!
Dog, yes, though he refused to bark for Bob, further fueling the controversial cat/dog fire. ;-)
I like the idea of where the new cargo nets are. Mine is at the opening and it blocks me from getting things in some times.
Plus stuff is less likely to roll around. It also makes the oddly shaped sides more useful, while leaving the big box at the center available for square cargo.
When did the Forester get the pop-out grocery hooks? Is that new for 2003? Our 2002 Legacy has them and they are especially handy if you have no cargo nets at all.
-juice
Paul
-Rod
Bob
-mike
Good luck!
Mine pulled out and try as I might I cannot get it back in.
I've tried using a very small flat head screwdriver and pushing the loop past what looks like an inverted 'V' inside the base of the hook but without anything even close to success.
Any help would be appreciated!
-Donn
wife seems to love charlie the forester, and if shes happy, im happy.
does seem like a good little ride so far.......
the interior is not luxurious, however thats not what we bought it for, and quite frankly, i would have bought another kind of ride if thats what we wanted.............of course each to their own
cheers ace57 from mass.
about the Forester's looks
I LOVE THE WAY THE FORESTER LOOKS !!!!
ace57
I have placed my order. Actually my new 2003 Forester XS Premium is somewhere in shipment. I made my 6th trip to the dealership today, took a test drive in the 2003 & decided to order a white one with a second choice of red. They called back later to tell me a red one close to what I wanted was on its way here. It was only missing 4 options that I wanted & can be dealer installed. I went back and sealed the deal. I will have my new Forester "sometime" before the end of June.
After we settled on a price, we got down to three more "brochures". I could sure use some more of your sage advice on what to do about these things....
1. Subaru extended warranty
2. Dealership Maintenance deal(s) for regular
maintenance. example: 3,000 mi service plan 23.95 oil change, lub, 18 point inspection.
6,000 mi plan is oil & filter change, lub and 18 point inspection. Rotate tires, inspect brakes, inspect hoses etc. 76.95 etc. etc price goes up.
3. Protection package(s)
Sound shield
Fabric Shield (I ordered leather)
Paint Shield
Rust Inhibitor
To give you a bit of background on how I treat vehicles. I have a 1994 Saturn with 38,300 miles on it I also have my late husbands 1993 Fleetwood with every toy imaginable and less than 60,000 miles on it. Both are cleaned and polished to the hilt and both are always parked in a garage. They will both be gone, and my new Forester will have a king size garage to itself and be treated like royalty.
All opinions are appreciated muchly!!
Donna
First off, congrats on your wise choice!
My advice to your questions are:
1. Wait on the extended warranty. You can buy it at any time during your factory warranty. No need to pay up front for it.
2. You don't have to use the dealer for service. Shop around and compare prices on what other places offer. Dealers can be quite expensive at times.
3. Say no to all of those items -- they're basically a way for the dealer to fatten profit margins on you.
Sound shield -- not sure if that's something you really need. Drive your Forester for a while and if noise is an issue, then think about it.
Fabric Shield -- you can easily do this yourself with a can of 3M Scotchgaurd (for fabric) or use any aftermarket leather conditioner for your seats.
Paint Shield -- Regular washing and waxing will take care of this
Rust Inhibitor -- Totally not necessary. Your Forester uses double-galvanized steel where it counts. It's also covered with a rust warranty.
Ken
My wife and I are considering a 2nd car for long road trips as well as backpacking/canoeing.
We end up on some pretty gnarly gravel and dirt roads in Oregon/Washington, and are looking for a new vehicle that can haul us and our stuff without losing an oil pan or getting stuck on steep hills. She loves the 02' CRV interior room/looks, but I am a bit dubious about it off road.
Does anyone have much experience with current generation Foresters on rough/rocky/steep dirt and gravel roads? The 2003's sound interesting, but the lower ground clearance has me dubious. I really wish the Australian version with a low range transmission was offered here in the states!
Final question... will skid plates designed for the Impreza fit a Forester? Should we purchase one I'd like some heavier armor to protect the guts of it up front.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Gene
I too am considering a Forester for the same purposes you do (I love the mileage!) and wish for the Australian version... From what I found out so far I am convinced that Forester is going to be better than a CRV or Rav4. Though the CRV has more clearance (not the "minimum clearance" but in general more room between the wheels, entry/exit angles, etc.), the undercarriage has all kinds of things sticking out. Take a look, for example, at the lower arms on the back suspension... Forester is relatively "flat" and clean underneath. In addition, the Subaru's AWD system has been around for years and in the manual version is 50/50; the Other Two, IMHO, are new kids on the block.
To make it a bit more rugged, Juice, a few pages back, suggested I get some larger springs to gain a couple of inches. In addition, we can get a skid plate set from primitive made for the Forester...
i think i will do both once i get the 2003.
Forester is definitely not a 4WD, but for dirt/gravel roads and some light off-road it will definitely do. Take a peek at the Queensland 4WD Subaru club's webpages and the places people take them!
Keep us posted.
As a side note, I wonder if the hill-holder feature comes in handy in akward spots (an eroded creek crossing).
I have driven quit a few fire roads, back roads and things that resembled roads here in Oregon, my 2001 S+ forester has never failed me. I have not added extra springs, but that is certainly an option. I did add the rear diff protector and replaced the junk plastic in the front with a real skid plate. I have heard things skid on the bottom before but as Kajko mentioned the bottom of the forester is relatively clean and there isn't much that can get tangled up in brush, rocks etc...
Personally I don't think you could find a better small suv for off-roading.
I agree with Ken's response, but I am even more adament about a few things.
1. Subaru extended warranty: As Ken said, you can wait on this and decide later. Subaru's are so reliable, the only reason to get the warranty is for the peace of mind that you won't have a large out-of-pcoket expense later on. But statistically, you'll save money by not getting it.
2. Dealership Maintenance deal: This dealer is obviously trying to lock in a commitment for a lot of money upfront. If you know that you will always use them for service and the prices are heavily discounted by prepaying, you might want to consider this, but I think it's a waste for several reasons. First, Subaru always sends me coupons in the mail. My dealer always has oil change coupons for $21.95. Second, you don't need to change your oil every 3,000 miles unless you are doing "severe" or stop-and-go driving. My '99 Forester manual recommends regular duty oil changes every 7,000 miles. Still, I change mine every 4,000-5,000 miles, but not every 3,000.
3. Protection packages: The fact that your dealer is trying to sell you all of those packages scares the crud out of me. If they tried to sell me all of those, I would get up and walk away. It's almost unheard of for dealers to try to sell rustproofing and sound insulation packages. In fact, they usually do more harm than good. Sure, they're going to tell you that the rust warranty only covers PERFERATED rust, but guess what - you're Forester isn't going to rust! Don't buy it.
The same goes for the paint and fabric package. Ask your dealer what the heck they're going to do to make the tough clear-coat paint finish any better? Sounds like a scam to me. Wax the car and treat the leather with Armour All a few times a year and it'll last forever.
Buy the car and no add-ons and you'll be doing the right thing. My two cents worth.
Elliot
To the new XS and XS Premium owners out there: How do you like the automatic climate control? Does it keep the temperature consistent even if you are driving in cloudy-to-sunny-to-cloudy conditions? Do you consider it "set and forget" to the point where you turn the car on and drive and never have to tinker with the temperature?
Thanks,
Elliot
This is my fifth Subaru (79 4x4 wagon, 87 4X4 wagon-both gone) and our third active Subaru (81 BRAT, 95 Legacy LS, and the 03 Forester). Since I was driving the BRAT the last 2 years, my opinions may be biased but 22 years of technology improvements sure make a difference!
John
Reply to above-love the auto climate control. I live in Georgia and we use the a/c about 8months out of the year. The BRAT doesn't have a/c and I am always fiddling in the Legacy with the fan setting depending. Also you can get fresh air. Hit the manual a/c button, set your fan speed, and then turn off the manual button. It was actually cool enough one morning to do that before the heat set in this week (it was almost 100 yesterday!).
Bob
John
You have plenty of time on the extended warranty, if you choose to purchase it. (FYI - we decided not too on either one.)
In regard to "Protection Packages" - definitely skip and either wash & wax your Forester yourself or find a good detail shop. Believe me, the money you save on protection pkgs will buy alot of wax jobs at your local detailer.
The only thing that I would suggest that differs from what Elliott posted is consider using Lexol on your leather seats instead of Armour All.
Ron
Jim J.
Thanks for the newsgroup
I'm not sure what brand the front skid plate is. I went to the subaru dealership and had the friendly parts people help me. The cost for the plate was around $150 if I remember correctly and it allows for oil changes without having to be removed. The rear diffy protector was around $80 I think. Sorry I can't be of more help.
I have used several auto climate control systems. IMHO, 03's is one of the very best. All of the controls are done with three knobs and 6 buttons. Probably the most elegant design without resorting to a fancy LCD panel. I do not understand why Edmund's reviewers would like CRV's design. Its left most knob is over crowded with too many icons. No LEDs tell you what the current setting is. And the whole thing is even not an auto climate control! Black knobs with silver trim on a beige background? So tacky. The only minor complaints I have with the 03 design are probably the shallowish knobs which may cause problems with big fingers in glove and the lack of finer temperature scale. You can pretty much set up anything manually. Just remember that when the car is hot inside, the auto mode will switch the system to the recirculation mode to increase the cooling efficiency. To disable the recirculation, you will have to push the button twice... first to disable the auto mode then once more to bring in fresh air.
Got the latest Car&Driver July issue. There is a review of '03 X! Nothing much is worth of talking about... just one more typical C&D article cynical tone is pervasive everywhere... they think people love this style of humor? I did notice that '03 was only 39db at idle! Even some Lexus cars are not this quiet! Surely Forester still has the best roadholding in the class and the brake has been improved a lot. On the other side, CRV has the worst brake. Its roadholding is only a little better than the boxy Land Rover Freelander.
We made a trip to LA over the Memorial Day long weekend. Man, had not been in LA for a while and was really impressed by those highway fighters in Civic and Corolla. How much they loved to tailgate people and how they preferred not to change lane until the very last tenth second. I am even not sure if I would ever dare to do that myself in a M3 or a Porsche.
Our '03 has finally passed the break-in period. The engine is very smooth at idle now. No more vibrations at idle. We got 21mpg in city and 26mpg on highway, air conditioner on 99% of the time, my wife and I in the car. The car reached 95MPH several times on the way to LA. It was loud yet fairly stable. Still, I feel the steering is way too light on highway.
-bear
As for the price. Nope, never got to talking invoice pricing at all. I checked with the three dealers within 100 miles and all were compatible and all go by MSRP. I did manage a bigger discount than was proposed to me and I have to be happy with it now. The paper is signed and I don't ever look back. I have a feeling the bigger discounts are on the east coast? I live in a burb of Milwaukee, WI - Subaru dealers are not plentiful around here. I was shocked when I decided to look at a Forester and clicked on dealers. One of the Ford/Subaru dealers is right here in my suburb.
I was out shopping today and stopped back into the dealership to get an MVD form for the person buying my Saturn. I walked in and asked if "Otto" had arrived yet? I got a whole bunch of blank looks. Then grins when I explained that my new Forester will be called "Otto". I was driving my late husband's Caddy and they wanted to buy it.
Donna
Maybe they should give you the manual when you make the deal so you can read ahead of the vehicle delivery.
Donna
The auto climate control bright button makes it so you can actually read the temperature and fan settings during the daytime. At least that's what I got from the salesman during my test drive...and I did test drive on a sunny day. Maybe a new 03 owner will chime in with more info.
-Rod
Jim
$150 skid plate? OE? Wow, that's great. Can you dig up the receipt and double-check? Is it steel or aluminum? That is a bargain.
Primitive sells steel or aluminum, for $200-300 IIRC.
I have the OE rear skid plate, it was $80 or so. I don't see a front one in the catalog, so maybe that is aftermarket?
Congrats to John and Gary, and welcome to Otto and Charlie! :-)
-juice
-mike
-mike
Bob
Thanks,
Ed
Is there another dealer within a reasonalbe distance? I would go elsewhere for service.
-mike
Here's the clarification: subaru_team "Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II" Jun 4, 2002 9:56am
-Dave
Last night we had a line of strong thunderstorms come through the area. Shortly before the storms began my alarm began to go off, with the single "blip" that it makes when the alarm is disarmed. It did this roughly every 30 minutes and continued to do so through the night - during and after the storms - and still does it this morning. I checked to see whether a door or the liftgate was ajar and that wasn't the case.
I don't think rumbling thunder had anything to do with it because it began before the storms did. Has anyone had this problem? If so, what was the solution? FWIW, it's the factory security system, the Chapman-type with two square buttons on a rectangular fob.
Thanks,
(a bleary-eyed) Ed
PS: I hope this doesn't sound too dumb - the Forester is actually the first car I've ever owned with an alarm.
Is the fuse to the alarm accessible to be disconnected? If,yes, pull the fuse and wait about 15 mins and plug it back in. Otherwise, disconnect the battery. Ok, I'm not familiar with the Subaru Alarm system so what it will do when you reconnect fuse/battery I don't know (may lose use of the fobs).
My guess is that the system's brain may have gotten scrambled by the charges in the atmoshpere from the impending storm.
Happened to my alarm before accept I don't get a beep, I get three everytime I disarm.
-Dave