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100% improvement from the OEM Goodyears.
Anyone with an Outlander LS and the factory Yokohama's with much more than 20K on them? Mine with 20K are wearing but have life left in them, I was wondering about what I could get out of them.
I too was very unhappy with my OEM tires, very poor performance. No grip.
I did my research, I wanted max performance and I am willing to pay for GRIP on corners and especially on freeways. I found TWO good choices, The Consumer Reports recommended Goodyear, which I generall prefer or the Perrelli, which I have now. Very happy.
I have nothing good to say about Michelin, I used to run these but their quality deteriorated so badly and I had so much belt seperations and car damage at highway speeds that I wouldn't used them if they were free. By the way, the Perrelli has been outstanding so far, my tires will out perform my Outlander for top end thats for sure.
One minor issue I have had though, I am having to ungrade to a full laser jammer, this outlander is just a little too quick, but it's a nice problem to have......happy motoring. Now if I could just get decent service......
going x-cty i saw only 4 other outlanders! what's up with that? is mitsu happy enough with foreign sales that they don't promote this vehicle? oh well that's for another forum, but thus far my car has performed flawlessly and i'm very happy with my purchase. mitsu needs more advocates i guess.
anyway, was unhappy as soon as i read my first review of the stock tire...so i'm looking, especially now, for a replacement. i'm down to 2 tires; an all season and a snow as i'm in northern new england. both i had on my jetta and loved. the first was the goodyear assurance triple tread . my question with that one is whether it would be adequate in a fairly snowy, cold region? i know it's great on wet , but how about snow?. the other tire is the nokian hakkapeliitta which made driving in snow like night and day compared to my stock jetta tires.i'm open for other tires as well, but for those who have the 18" wheels you know there's not that much "good" available. thank you for your reply and help
Have a look and I'll review after I get them mounted in the next few days.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Grabber+HTS
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suggestions?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=Geolandar+H%- - 2FT+G033
The Nokian is a good tire for winter. I personally and physically inspected this tire Hakkapeliitta and the rubber is soft indeed which is good for winter low temperature but out of this season the tire wears off pretty soon. Check the following pdf file.
http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/geolandar_ats.pdf
I think it's a decent choice for LS owners (especially for price)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HAS
Would anyone know if it's ok to use a set of 205x60R16 snow tires on a 2009 Outlander V6 AWD ???
Reason I ask is my girlfriend has these tires left over from her 2009 Lancer and they are fairly close in size to stock 215x70R16
Local tire guy said they were "too small" I guess aspect ratio is the issue here.
Any advice appreciated!
Scotty
Spec Sidewall radius Dia circumf revs/mi speedo odo dif
215/70-16 5.9" 13.9" 27.9" 87.5" 724/mi 60MPH 10000mi N/A
205/60-16 4.8" 12.8" 25.7" 80.7" 785/mi 65MPH 10843mi -7.8%
the supplied mitsu manual is pretty emphatic about using the same size snows (which i did after talking to my local tire dealer that i trust) and while i'm sure a minor size change is ok i went with the expert advice..
http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp
to experiment with tire sizes and comparison. The software also tells you when a replacement is feasible without endanger your life.
There may be a number of causes for the oscillating noise produced by the tire rotation. The phenomena appears not to be noticeable at very low speed, starts being noticeable at about 20-40 mph, and then it merges with the wind noise around the vehicle at speeds near 70 miles.
On the assumption that the tires are relatively new without manufacture defects, then something else must produce this oscillating tire noise. Observing carefully the tire balancing process performed by the majority of tires shops I was able to observe the balance machine indicating for example a point relative to and on the wheel where the wheel weight that should be attached (adhesive). For example if the balance machine indicates 1.50 ounces, the technician will attach 6 wheel weights of ¼ ounce each. The weight attachment is circumferential at the very outside edge of the wheel. When this is done the balance machine indicates a point after spinning the wheel again that a weight, let’s say, of 0.75 ounces is required to be attached at the inside edge of the wheel. The technician then attaches 3 wheel weights of ¼ ounce each also following the circumferential direction.
My original alloy wheel came from Japan balanced with not more than 1-wheel weight of 25 grams and another 1-wheel weight of 5-grams or 10 grams (each wheel). The curiosity was that the wheel weights were not attached circumferentially but transversally (cross section) and they were attached one adjacent to the other transversally and not close to the edges.
The theory may go this way: The less number of ¼ ounces wheel weights that you attach to you wheel the less oscillating noise will be heard. Equally the pattern how the technician attaches the wheel weights may have an effect on the result of the oscillating noise.
It's rainy here in Atlanta today, and so far, so good. They have good grip and no problems when I tested out a hard stop.
I have noticed my tire pressure warning signal has never gone off in my 07 car. Can I assume that the sensor is broken? A bit odd it has never gone off. I am sure my tire pressure was low at least once or twice.
today i went into my tire dealer wanting to order 4 goodyear tripletread assurance
tires now that they're made in our size. they get just the best scores (10) on ice rain snow and 8's on the other categories,,, but my dealer can't find them in the 225/55 18's. the dealer didn't think the michelin primacy were all that great, the the yoko's were out of stock as well as the pirelli's. are there no definitive really good 3-season tires out there ? suggestions? thanx
I hope you don't let the poor tire performance color your opinion of the Outlander overall; that would be doing it a disservice. My wife's Elantra came with Michelin tires and one was defective; it was fine around town but at highway speed when it heated up a leak would appear and it would go flat. My wife was understandably upset at this happening on the first new car she ever owned. Once the tire was replaced, though, things were fine and she's loved the car for the past nearly 9 years.
As mayda1 noted, the TripleTread Assurance Goodyears are very good tires. I've used them on our sedans for a while now and have had no problems whatsoever with traction (way better than the Michelins and Goodyear Eagles) or with them lasting. I'm already planning for them to be the replacements when the OEM tires wear out, regardless of how long the OEMs last. My only dislike with the TripleTread, besides price, was that they have a little more road noise but it's not enough to dissuade me. The better traction was noticeable.
For LS owners it seems the picture is much better for available tires. So far I'm happy with the General Grabber HTS tires I got from Tire Rack (inexpensive and working good, although as has been pointed out this winter in Western NY was not the most challenging). Price was $93 each plus shipping (no tax or tire discard fee charged)
link titlehttp://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HAS
Good luck in your hunt
$160 a tire with install -warranty- etc. 17" rims, and it made a huge difference in ride, handling, and hopefully traction, though I've only had them a week.
Since the OEM Yoko's on my Outlander made it through another Wisconsin winter, I might try to hold out until fall to replace them. About 29K on the car now,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/used/ct-rides-0314-motormout- h-letters-20100311,0,3508777.column?page=2
I put on Pirelli P6 (225/55/18), so far they feel about the same as the Goodyears.
My LS with 16" Yokohama's just turned 34K.
M.
Only put about one mile on them so far so hard to say how they perform.
They were poor tires.
I upgraded to Pirelli high speed tires and I get 55K and alot better handling.
Fumes, I also put the Grabber HTS on maybe 4K miles ago (but I got black walls).
Initially I noticed a bit more squirm (not as crisp turn in response for rapid lane change) but it got better over time (you are jumping to full tread block height coming from almost bald OEM tires.) I like these much better than the OEM Yoko Geo33 tires. Nice and quiet and much better tread for winter. I played with tire pressure and believe I currently have 35 all around. You can't beat the price either. Time will tell, but so far so good. One thing I didn't like is when I pumped them up to 40 PSI for an experiment it seemed the steering was see-sawing for rapid lane change when accelerating hard at same time(moving out and around a car on an undivided highway passing move with wide open throttle and it seems better with lower pressure (which you would expect maybe the opposite). It could be I am experiencing severe throttle steer since I haven't tried the nail the gas(WOT) move to pass and cut back in again with 4WD mode yet. I don't think the Outlander has
something like Cadillac's "stabillitrac" to play with moves like this (just anti-skid control when braking).
Shouldn't the stability control help with the quick lane changes you mentioned? I've tried to slide the rear end out on icy\snowy roads in winter, and stability control makes it almost impossible.
Here there is some useful information for the Outlander GT:
(1)- The experts say that for winter season a vehicle is safer with narrow tires (e.g. 215), highest profile (e.g. 70), and smaller wheel diameter (e.g. 16 inches).
(2)- The experts say that for winter a vehicles tires must have the specification M+S (certified)
So how can we fit the expert advice into our Outlander GT needs?
(a)- We have to make a decision to buy OEM wheels (about $100 each) or third party wheels which usually have better design and cool looks. Once the decision has been taken, then the Outlander GT wheel requires an offset= 38mm with a Pitch Circle Diameter (PCD) = 114.3 mm (regardless of the diameter of the wheel). The general specification for this wheel should be 16x6.5JJ (the stock GT wheel is 18x7.0JJ, but it has the same offset and PCD). There is a permitted tolerance of the figures above mentioned but please, departure just a maximum of 5 mm with the exception of the PCD that must be 114.3 mm. Visit Google and you will find hundreds of hits. When you buy non OEM wheels be sure that the wheels will house the TPMS sensors. Some wheel design doesn’t allow the fitting of TPMS sensors.
(b)-In choosing the tires the right specification should be 215/70R16 M+S tires. You may order on line any M+ S tires (e.g. Tire Rack, Costco, American, etc)
(c)- You may use the same 5-nuts from your 18” wheels or 4-nuts + the lock nut from your GT and wheel cap.
(d)- Before installing your new tires onto your new wheels order 4-set of sensors (TPMS) + their respective valves from your local Mitsubishi garage (4-set $250) and install the sensors on each wheel. Your local tire specialist will know how to do job.
(c)- After driving away from the tire shop your GT will flag you with a permanent illuminated warning message that your tires need service. This message (sometimes an alarm/noise) will be there until you take the GT to a Mitsubishi garage.
(d)- The new wheels (i.e. the new sensors) must be recognized by the computer system of your GT, and here is where you will require the service of your local Mitsubishi garage. The garage will charge you about $50 to $80 for the service of reprogramming the CPU of your vehicle. I assume that your GT computer will assign the same code number that has already been assigned to your stock wheels. This will allow you to interchange your 4-set 18” and 4-set 16” wheels at will.
Doing a survey on this topic I learnt that the Lancer Evolution X 18” wheel has the same offset and PCD as the GT Outlander wheels. Equally I came across that Mitsubishi Europe offers a set of 4-wheels (16”) for winter seasons for the GT and Lancer Evolution X. The steel or alloy rims designs are indeed very cool for winter season. For reference only, prices of these rims are about 200 Euros each.
If you expect to drive your GT mainly off tarmac then you may use the 16” wheels with tires” all seasons” or” all terrain” specification. This change will help your GT to soak up the bumping unevenness of an off tarmac road.
Also I was told by my Mitsu. dealer that when you swap out the summer to winter tire/ wheel set to and from the winter to summer tire / wheel set, you must have the sensors reprogrammed to the car's computer (twice per year).I don't think you can change the wheels "at will". The dealer also told me that simply rotating the tires front to back or side to side doesn't require reprogramming.
I recently purchased a set of 215/70 R-16 Blizzaks from tirerack, mounted on 16 X 7 alloy rims (with TPMS installed). I'm sure they will perform much better than the stock all season tires.
My ES has 16 inch wheels, Geolander G033 (OE) Highway All Season radials and one of the most sophisticated AWD systems available, why would I need another set of wheels for winter?
(2) Here you are completely right. The logic was that Mitsubishi will cater for the best interests of their customers. I know that the ETACS-ECU assigns number/code to each of 5-wheels (TPMS) when reprogramming. Reprogramming doesn’t mean start from scratch again. Easily the technician could request to the ETACS-ECU to assign the same number/code (18”) to the new TPMS (16”) on your new wheels. However this is not the case and it is not good business for Mitsubishi dealers. Yes I confirmed with a dealer that what you said is the situation presently.
I wonder if you could give me an idea of how much the cost was of buying 4 new wheels, the programming of the new wheel TPMS, and the cost of the 4-TPMS. If you forgot to reprogram the spare wheel TPMS then I suspect that you cannot use the spare wheel (for 18”) with your new 16”. You may need to order a spare wheel for 16” set up.
You may also need to reprogram the new spare wheel. So I think the exercise may cost you a fortune. I am personally disheartened by the news that I have to reprogram my wheels twice per year if I want to fit my car with new 16” wheels.
The best temporary solution on time and money is just to live for 4-5 months with the warning light about your tyres needing servicing. I must say that the 225/55R18 fitted with Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S has proved very good indeed in real situations (snow and mud). The Outlander GT with its S-AWC coupled with good snow & mud tyres is very safe in all weather conditions. Try for yourself. It is very exciting and thrilling (a white knuckle ride for your passenger according to my wife!) to see your GT doing the impossible.
now waiting for geolander a/t-s from dtd, and will get the dealer to install them for me, its around $20+tax per tire. :P
My Galant didn't have traction control and with the V6 could spin the front tires pretty easily on wet roads; the Triple Treads reduced unwanted wheel spin by a noticeable amount.
Of course my Outlander has traction control as well as AWD but as it stands the TTs are on my short list for tires when it comes time to replace the OEMs.