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  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Sorry that I can't yet help you with your On-star questions. Haven't used it yet and am embarrassed to admit that I haven't read the manual yet either. But I know others have and I'm sure will chime in at some point.

    Hope you enjoy your vehicle, and keep us informed about your experiences.

    CWJ
  • mmeehanmmeehan Member Posts: 66
    I don't know about their concierge services, etc. but I did call them just to make sure the system was working (I was sitting in traffic and had nothing better to do) and the woman was very pleasant and was able to tell me exactly where I was. Nice if your car is stolen (they'll be able to track it more easily) but kind of like "big brother" is looking over your shoulder. They claim that the only time they gather information about the car's location is when the driver calls OnStar directly or when the car is stolen.

    Mfarmer2 - where do you live in Florida that you live on a mountain?? I live in South Florida and wasn't aware that there were any mountains in Florida :-) Good luck with your new RDV.
  • mfarmer2mfarmer2 Member Posts: 67
    Thanks for your OnStar information. You ask: "do you live in Florida that you live on a mountain?"

    I live in Florida, no mountains here. I think you may have been reading something I had put in quotations. I was quoting and responding to another post here. Is that why you're asking? :-)

    Mary
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Does the fact that the third row is not split strike anyone else as odd?
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Why is that Odd? Why would you want it to split? Obviously the 2nd row is split, out of necessity. I believe the 2002 Explorer is the same in regards to their 2nd & 3rd rows. I don't remember their 3rd row being split, nor do I see a need for it. - Perhaps I'm missing something, which as tonychrys will attest, wouldn't be the 1st time.

    mfarmer2: Congratulations! We've just got the basic OnStar; haven't been compelled to switch to the premium service for "directions" & concerge services.
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Check out the MDX split 3rd row, supposedly a target vehicle for the RDV. It allows for the greatest possible mix of interior configurations. If you split the seat you can have one passenger back there (six people total) plus some cargo space in back as well.

    Many have complained about the lack of space behind the third row, splitting the seat would alleviate some of that problem. Can't believe it would be that costly.
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    rkuehn, not familiar with the MDX. Can you tell us if the 3rd row seat folds flat as does the RDV?
    From a design standpoint this could be a reason for it not being split. Then again I'm not knowledgeable in this area. I just see what I like and hope I can afford it :-)Thanks for the insight on the MDX. Sounds like you prefer it over the RDV. Good luck with your decision what ever it is. Mine was the RDV and I know for my needs it was the right choice:-)
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Does fold completely flat. It's the second row seats that don't- which causes it to have the incline.


    http://cars.com/carsapp/national/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/galleries/acura/md_x/acura_md_x.tmpl

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I also think the reason why the RDV's 3rd row bench isn't split is because the mechanism that allows it to split would take interior space. Having a split bench isn't as simple as slicing a full bench in half, it would require more mechanisms underneath to support one seat when the other one is not popped up. That is probably why adults can actually sit back in the 3rd row in the RDV vs. the MDX's 3rd row, which is for kids only.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    There's no spliting mechanism though. Just couple of additional pivots/hinges. It's useful since you can have 6 people and some cargo.

    FWIW though, I had a look at a '02 Explorer today and it doesn't have a split 3rd row seat either; it's just one piece.


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  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Yeah, that was my recollection as well re: the 2002 Explorer. Although there are many similarities in vehicles in the same class, there are obviously some differences, albeit oftentimes minor. I guess its the engineers and accountants that are responsible for these differences that cause us to ask, "Why didn't they..." I know when we test drove the Explorer I asked why they put a handle half-way up the passengers edge of the windshield, partially obstructing the passenger side-mirror. Not a big, big deal, but much like rkuehn, it got me asking the question.

    Given a choice though, of having a 3rd row in an MDX that splits, but doesn't fit adults and a RDV that comforatbly fits adults, buy doesn't split, I would easily prefer the RDV. Of course other folks with different needs may prefer the opposite. We're lucky to have so many choices.
  • drew_drew_ Member Posts: 3,382
    I think the A-pillar grab handle is to assist passengers into the cabin. I don't think it would be as useful (perhaps for the shorter folks only?) in the Explorer as in would be in the Expedition or the Excursion. When I got into one of those bad boys, I did have to use it, versus the steering wheel, to get into the driver's seat! ;-) I didn't find it to be obstructive when I test drove the Explorer though. It probably has to do with your own personal dimensions, and seating positions too.

    Regards,

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  • spiritman1spiritman1 Member Posts: 57
    If we're gonna talk about " your own personal dimensions" we definitely better start another board......lol....

    Spiritman :)
  • john332john332 Member Posts: 8
    I mentioned earlier I was going to order a RDV CXL and wanted to know if anyone who has the Capt. Chairs in 2nd row and 3rd row seats, if the extra expense is worth it. I can't figure out why if you get the Lux pkg. (1SE and the 1SD is included) and it includes a 3rd row seat, you are charged again for 3rd row if you want Capt. Chairs? Also my dealer says there are no mud guards for front wheel wells. Has anyone come across some? The last time I posted it got lost in two days of RDV power. A little to long in my opinion but thats because there's enough power for what I use it for.
  • mmeehanmmeehan Member Posts: 66
    This is one option I wish the RDV had to offer. But, unfortunately, from the research I've done, there is no perfect vehicle that offers everything you want it to. And I don't know how it is for everyone else, but it seems like you always have to order more than you really need to get just what you really want (i.e. you have to get the luxury package, which has items I don't need, in order to get all-leather on a CX, which I really need and want).I do know that several times I've wished that the 3rd row did split.
  • mfarmer2mfarmer2 Member Posts: 67
    I have the captains. I actually preferred the appearance and design of the 2nd row bench, over the captains, with all it's multi-function features; but we ended up getting the captains because they were on the RDV that was the color we preferred. Here are my thoughts:

    The advantage of captains is they are contoured for extra comfort imo, and they also offer easier third row access than the bench. In addition to being able to move them back and forth, you also have center aisle access to the third row.

    The disadvantages with the 2 captains is you lose the second row middle seat, and you can't flip/fold forward them for quick/easy cargo space like you can do with the bench seats. However, they can be easily removed.

    Bench seat: for easy third row access, the seats need to be flipped and folded all the way forward. This means the third row passengers will have to enter first, before second row passengers can enter. If you don't use the third row all the time, and you're stuck with the captains, like me, the additional invoice cost of $215 (Option - AQ4) is not really that taxing; and they are very comfortable. I know my in-laws will be glad we got the captains over the bench seats.

    PS: I just took some pics of our RDV and will soon post them in the Rendezvous owners - Photo Gallery. I'll also post an interior shot with the captain chairs. Hope this is helpful. :-)

    Mary
  • 90mercsable90mercsable Member Posts: 48
    Horn:
    Does anyone find it hard to honk "lightly", without depressing the horn area strongly. My RDV seems to require deliberate and focused pressing in the right/center area of the wheel-near the trumpet icon.
    I tried to warn a bicyclist today, without scaring her out of her wits, but was unable to get the desired lesser amount of "toot".

    Tire Pressure:
    Everyone using 35psi? My Uniroyals had 30psi when delivered, dealer said it was OK, but I increased to 35 as indicated on door label.
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    90mercsable - It does take a little bit of pressing to activate the horn as you stated. Just ran out to the Garage to try it. Really do not use the horn much, but it's nice to know:-)Appears to be two areas to get the horn to sound. Dead center and over the icon. Tire pressure on my Firestone were also set to 30lbs. I also boosted them to the label recommended 35 lbs. Are your Uniroyals the self sealing type. Almost bought a Montana that featured them until I saw the RDV and am very happy I did :-)
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    This is notorious GM problem. When I got my '99 GA, my horn didn't work at all (at the steering wheel) like another RDV owner posted here. Had to replace the steering wheel unit. Even now, the rare times I do use the horn (only in extreme emergencies) I find it disconcerting that it takes the right spot and pressure just to get it to work.

    Another GM blunder.
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    tonychrys- Remember the older models with the horn rings. Anywhere on the ring you pressed and the horn would blow:-)Hey,makes you wonder if you can activate the horn very easily electronically with the remote from 50 feet away why they could not apply this technology to the wheel :-) I have driven other vehicles, some imports that have a similar problem. Could it be the location of the airbag in trhe wheel that does this?
  • tonychrystonychrys Member Posts: 1,310
    Pete, I think you're right about the airbag thing, it must have something to do the "sweet spot" that's left on the steering wheel.

    Geez, do I remember horns before airbags? Oh yeah! It was waaayy too easy to use the horn back on '60s and '70s year models (I had a couple of old used cars back in high school/college). You have a good memory, I had forgotten about "horn rings".
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    I've looked at the MDX... problem is you can't buy one without a sunroof, which robs the vehicle of headroom. So I brush my hair on the roof. Sunroof is optional in RDV, X5, RX300, ML, by comparison. Also considered the Acura CL, that was an outright headbutt into the roof. Ouch.

    Looking at my MDX brochure... big photo of the interior with the third row split: part upright, part folded flat. Seems like a no-brainer for flexibility to me.
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    rkuehn, You could always shave your head, this would give you more clearance;-)I like your sense of humor:-)What about a power seat in the MDX.In the RDV, my wife lifts it all the way up (only 5'2"). She still has a lot of headroom. Could you put the seat down more for more clearance? Sounds like you are sold on the MDX's 3rd seat. That's cool. Any comments on Diploid's analysis of it being comfortable for the little people (kids) while the RDV is for us larger versions ( also kids at heart)? :-)
  • john332john332 Member Posts: 8
    I've ordered an RDV with everything including sunroof. How ever I'm having second thoughts about it. The sunroof on my old car slides back in or I guess you'd say under roof. I've seen the sunroof of the RDV open for the first time and was surprised to see it slide back ON TOP and at good angle. I'm concerned about this. There has to be a lot of wind noise also can't strong winds damage it?
    Anyone have an opinion on this?
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Before I climb into any vehicle for the first time I lower the seat completely, MDX no exception. The latest round of the main car rags has commentary on the TL and RL, both articles cite lack of room for taller drivers. Its probably a cost-cutting measure to only develop one roof configuration. In the case of the MDX they could sell out to just circus midgets. But Acura could stand to sell a few more TLs, CLs, & RLs. Given the overall quality of Acura/Honda products you'd think they'd be smarter about such thigs.

    Wonder when RDV might get a multivalve engine and a split third row...? (I'll skip the sunroof.)
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I'd also like bigger wheel arches to make it look more rugged, and of course bigger wheels. But of course that would rob interior space...
  • blc2blc2 Member Posts: 1
    WE got our new RDX about two weeks ago. We got the CXL with 2nd row captains chairs. My wife wanted easy access to third row when she was taking our kids and their friends to school activities etc. Although you lose one seat in second row the comfort of Captains chair is very nice. I just wish you did not have to get top of line in order to get captains chairs, but I am sure we will soon get use to all the added bells and whistles.
  • 90mercsable90mercsable Member Posts: 48
    Islandpete and tonychris:

    Tonight I went out driving at around 10pm in the dark and purposely used the horn at random while driving. (I tried this during the day yesterday but couldn't find a place to honk unnoticed).

    It does work well when you concentrate just under the horizontal ridge, and just to the lower left and right of the Buick logo. I guess you have to hope for a lucky press when an emergency arises.

    My Uniroyal tires are not the self seal type (not avail yet I think).

    John332:
    My RDV has the first sunroof I've ever owned. I have forgotten it is even there. I have heard no noise from that area. I have no idea about strong winds. I'm sure you'll enjoy your RDV when you get it. I only have 250 miles on mine so far, but I'm enjoying it a lot..and I'm enjoying watching people noticing it. I got a huge long stare from a guy in a new Volvo S60, who was parked next to me in a lot today.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Rugged Look: I believe Buick catered to the ladies when they designed the RDV. And in that regard, I think they've done very well. I don't think looking Rugged and/or macho is high on the ladies' lists. However extra console storage, a refined look, and versatile seat configuratations probably are. - Perhaps consider the Envoy or Yukon for the big wheel, rugged look...

    r5: well, I'm sure you knew this post was coming. Way to go 9er's!!! I hope the silver & black do better in Mexico. Hasta la vista, baby!

    Go 9ers,
    John B.
  • laureatelaureate Member Posts: 4
    I am buying a small soft top camper trailer and need a hitch. Can I get an after market hitch, or am I forced to pay GM $? I don't have the towing package, but the trailer weight is not great. Any thoughts?

    In response to the few anti-RDV posts, here's what I got for $22K ($34CAD/1.54):
    Pewter CX AWD base model (nicely equipped for a base)
    Great looks
    Tonnes of cargo room (more than enough for all the baby gear for my toddler and newborn)
    Great gas milage
    Ample (ok, I may feel it with the trailer)power
    Refined and functional interior
    Comfortable seating
    Over a dozen of unsolicited positive comments from strangers.

    All this in an AWD for $22K! (I actually paid substantially less due to staff discounts, GM VISA card points)

    For me it was a no-brainer, even without my incentives. I am 29 and own a Buick! Who would have guessed? I now have 4500km on it and no problems. I have yet to buy a GM product without having to take it in for service at least twice before the first oil change - this may be the first.

    Also, does anyone know whether the AWD disengages as soon as the front wheels regain traction. I thought I read in a very early post that it disengages once you ease up on the gas? The manual is very sketchy as to how the AWD works.

    Larry N.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Sounds like a decent deal. What kind of financing did you get?

    I saw in the paper they were advertising base CXs for C$29,900. I think list is $30,998 so that's pretty good.
  • luvmypupluvmypup Member Posts: 3
    Hi folks, love all the info going on between us Rendezvous groupies....Just ordered mine - CX Light Driftwood Metallic, stuck with standard grey bottom on the CX - but saw one in person and it looks great! Very classy! Oak interior which also compliments the driftwood.... I'm getting a sunroof (not from the factory) and no 3rd row seating. My biz is taking care of pets so this is really a vehicle for the pooches as I haul around a doggie playgroup most days! Replacing my '93 Grand Caravan and am anxious to get rid of that minivan ride for the much more appealing ride of the RDV. I now use my van with the captains chairs in (which are seats for my dog (1st class area!) and pups I need to "seperate" from the pack in the cargo area. I will use the RDV with just my driver & passenger seats and the entire back for my "pack". Plenty of space and am totally certain I chose correctly over the Mazda MPV.....Now my question - has anyone had an experience with purchasing floor/cargo area liners or mats for their RDV?? Just began my hunt for these items and obviously the RDV is so new it's not listed as yet in most catalogs for sizing....Any input would be appreciated. Also if anyone has info re: side panel covers as well....
    It's going to be a tough 6 weeks as I wait for RDV to arrive !!! BTW - I'm 37- 1st time Buick buyer and this is my 1st NEW vehicle since my 1985 Nissan Pulsar!!
  • pjv63pjv63 Member Posts: 3
    How tall are you ? I'm 6'4" and have no problem with headroom in the MDX (or the RDV for that matter). The seat is all the way down, and I have about 2-3 inches clear.

    The split third row seat really is a valuable feature to me with three kids. On a long trip, one sits in back, the suitcases/bags are next to her on the flipped-down seat with plenty of room to spare, and the other two kids are in the second row, with the fold-down arm rest acting as the anti-fight mechanism ;->.

    Pete
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    I'm fairly sure you can get one from an independent company such as DrawTite Hitches or Uhaul. However, if you buy it from GM, the holes are already predrilled,& everything lines up perfectly. The only drawback we had ordering through GM was that there was about a 3-4 week wait to just get one. Hopefully by now the contractor's supply has increased. We paid about $315 for the hitch (not including labor of course).

    Re the AWD - My understanding is that power is transferred to the rear wheel(s) at the moment the front wheel(s) lose traction. At the moment they regain traction, the power ceases to be delivered to the rear wheels. I don't belive the process has anything to do with what one is doing with the gas pedal. Congratulations on your RDV!

    luvmypup: Congratulations on the order of your driftwood! You & your pups will just love it. I have no idea where you'd get the liners...when you find out, it would be great for you to post it on the RDV owners Forum / Accessories. Rendezvous Owners' Forum
  • rem933rem933 Member Posts: 10
    I looked into this since my kids play football and soccer. I stopped in at the Buick dealer and the parts department said there are custom rubber mats available. The mats from Buick are flat mats, not unlike the carpet ones that come with the vehicle. They protect the floor but won't hold any liquid like melted snow, mud etc. They cost a fortune, $200 for all three rows of seats. I'm not sure if the make a cargo mat.

    MacNeil Automotive http://www.macneilauto.com makes great rubber mats. Their website shows custom mats for the RDV, including the cargo area. A front and rear set costs about $90. I have read somewhere that some of their mats are not completely custom and require trimming to make them fit. I want to see how well they actually fit. I live a couple of miles from their offices and I have to get over before this weekend and take a look at them. Football practice started this weekend, it rained, and I was cleaning mud for an hour.

    I'll let you know what I find out.

    Since we're on the subject on floor/carpet protection, I've noticed my left foot always ends up on the wheel well. I wish there was something there to protect taht area. The carpet is really getting dirty and starting to wear in that area. Ford attaches a piece of rubber there to prevent that problem.

    -Rich
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    pjv63, think you have the posts mixed up. Rkuehn, had brought up the subject of "HeadRoom" originally. Not a problem with me. You have me by 6 inches. Height , that is ;-)Hey 90mercsable , so that was you who was driving around waking up the neighbors blowing your horn at night:-)Thanks for the follow up :-) -luvmypup , good luck with your RDV. Not too thrilled with what you will be using it for. Now for sure the RDV critics will say it's going to the dogs ;-)LOL Good luck to the pooches :-)
  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Laureate - That's quite a deal! Congratulations on your Rendezvous and happy you're finding it to your liking.

    Luvmypup - I think you'll find the Rendezvous is a great pet hauler. We have three ferrets and were in the market for a bigger travel cage to take them with us on trips when it suddenly occurred to me that maybe their entire home cage might fit in the Rendezvous. Sure enough it did and the kids now go with us wherever we travel. People who know ferret cages will appreciate that this speaks volumes about the Rendezvous' cargo headroom.

    On a lighter note, its a hoot when one of the ferrets goes up into the loft and watches the world out the back window. The looks from people in the following vehicles are priceless.

    Sorry, I have not yet had any experience with cargo mats.

    CWJ
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Yea that's me with the headroom issues. A sunroof is often just too close for comfort.

    Also spent some time looking at the RDV package charts, strongly believe an AWD CX Versatility Package with power driver's seat & third row is needed. Given failure of the Aztec GM needs volume on this thing. Figure it would cost ~$2k less than the AWD CXL V/P, given the FWD pricing structure.

    The Honda MDX version will offer three rows for under $30k, so GM better get ready.
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Cwj's gonna say, there you go again... but I remember a long time ago him mentioning that the price differential of going up from the CX to the CXL is not much compared to what you get... Some of the things are of course leather, and the chance to get a different color on the cladding; plus, not to mention a "roof rack". I was initially, & I believe cwj was as well, considering the CX. After his careful analysis, I was convinced to go up to the CXL w/ the versatility pkg. Like you, I decided to stay away from the sunroof since I need the extra headroom. And I guess I'd kind of like to have headroom power as well, now that, thanks to tonychrys, I'm learning the lingo. Hope this helps.
  • laureatelaureate Member Posts: 4
    John325, thanks for the hitch info. As for the AWD, I find it difficult to determine when the AWD is engaging and disengaging (no dashboard indicator or noticable tranny sounds). 2 days after I picked mine up I drove to a cottage up north and drove down a 30 degree gravel driveway towards the lake. The only reason I know the AWD works is the fact that I was able to get back up with no effort (cars get parked at the top of the driveway). My wife was nine months pregnant at the time, so without the AWD she would likely would have slipped and rolled down the hill to the cottage. Another few months and I get to see how well it fares in snow.

    dindak, paid cash (financing was horrible anyway). After our horrible 15% sales taxes, etc, etc, I drove away for $33k CAD ($21,400US).
  • habitanthabitant Member Posts: 7
    For your information GM have an accessory catalog here in Canada.
    They show a cargo mat part no 10304219 for the grey one and 10204220 for the oak.
    The retail price here was $ 175.00 Can.
    They were ready to give me a better price.
    But I went to a carpet store and they sold me the type of carpet they use in car, wich was OK
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Actually I got an e-mail from GM offering me 5.9% for 48 months for Rendezvous until Sept. 30. I thought that was decent given it's a new model.

    Wish I could pay cash for cars though. In my dreams.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The first Buick truck product in almost 80 years.

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  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Thanks, Steve. In fact, the darn things read as if I had written it. But seriously, this one seems to be more "ad" than review. In fact, wasn't it you (or Drew) who suggested that many if not most newspaper reviews were really thinly disguised advertising.

    I think the operative word for the powerplant is quickly being established as "adequate." I would not fool myself by claiming more, and I would not shortchange the vehicle by claiming less.

    CWJ
  • mfarmer2mfarmer2 Member Posts: 67
    Good review! I agree with just about everything the reviewer has to say.

    To everyone- 180 miles in our new RDV, and we're really enjoying our new ride. It never occurred to my husband and myself, that because this is a new Buick product we'd have so many people staring at us. The other night as we were parking our car at the local movie, a whole group of people leaving the theater, stopped in their tracks for several seconds just to stare at our RDV. Also, yesterday morning at the bank, while returning to the parking lot, we found a man staring into our RDV through the windows.

    At first my husband felt a little threatened, but soon realized he was just curious to see the interior of our new RDV. We struck up a friendly conversation, and talked about the RDV for several minutes. Anyway, all of this is quite surprising for us, but I guess it only makes sense that if this is Buick's first new product in 70 years, that people would naturally be curious. It's one thing to have new car fever, but it's a another to have the public experience that along with you! :-)

    Mary
  • mfarmer2mfarmer2 Member Posts: 67
    I was thinking the same thing. And now that we're back to the power subject again, let's not overlook that the reviewer actually says: "more than adequate... even in the Texas Hill Country." he he. :-)

    Mary
  • armtdmarmtdm Member Posts: 2,057
    All Wheel Drive is active all of the time. ther is no front wheel then rear or whatever, it is alwasy active!
  • john325john325 Member Posts: 237
    Come on Drew, we're used to much tougher reviews than that! We've already handled a number of hardballs, and now you toss us this softy?? Now, in support of the radio/climate-control knobs...

    armtdm: Yes the AWD is always active. You're exactly right. However, power is only transferred to the rear wheels when the front wheels lose traction. They say you cannot really tell when power is being transferred to the rear wheels.
  • islandpete1islandpete1 Member Posts: 40
    mfarmer2 ,(Mary), I think all of us(RDV Owners) can relate to your experiences with the attention the vehicle gets. It's fun hearing everyone's little stories:-). We were coming home from New Jersey heading to Long Island. On the approach to the Verazanno Bridge just as we were entering the bridge(heavy slow traffic),this car pulls up along side (passenger side) and blows his horn to get my attention. I rolled down the window and he blurts out "How much you pay for car like that, I like, very nice(broken english)him not me:-)I told him 30+big ones and he nodded and took off:-)
  • cwjacobsencwjacobsen Member Posts: 293
    Are you talking about AWD in general or the Versatrak system in particular? I believe you're mistaken if you're referring to the system in the Rendezvous.

    CWJ
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