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Nissan Sentra Spec V vs Honda Civic Si
james31278
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Lets try this again, this is a topic for both cars. Like the title says no fighting so if anyone tries don't respond.
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probably the epitome of fighting.
So, for me:
Spec V = ugly. Si = tehsecksy
but in all fairness, the spec v is slightly (ever so slightly) quicker than the si.
Styling may be subjective, but the civic in general is a better looking car imo. The spec v has got some nice torque, but the si's willingness to rev more than compensates for it.
Lets not even get started on chassis tuning. While the spec v posesses nice turn in, the si is def more floggable and fun to drive. And it doesn't way a hundred tons either.
maybe slightly, but hardly 'blowing the doors off'.
and if you do, its becasue of the spec v's natural ability to be torquey, not because you have an intake and exahust, both of which are adding only slight hp/torque gains.
and how much of that is going to the wheels? About 7 hp maybe? 15hp combined sounds right, but certianly not the the wheels; this would mean that hp being produced at the crank would be about almost 30...sorry your not going to get that n/a even with a cai and exhaust. And even so, despite the torque, your still shy 2 ponies of what the si produces stock. And isn't always unfair to go on about who you can rip a new one to when they are stock and you are not? :confuse:
ofcourse it means nothing, i was just pointing out the civics superior hp per litre. And your right, it is a TOTALLY negligible difference....
hence why i brought up your whole concept of how much hp your cai and exhaust make.
Even with the intake and exhaust I'm still pretty much stock.
any aftermarket additions=not stock anymore
really? any proof of this? Because there sure is a hell of a lot of proof that vtec pretty much makes an engine more powerful/efficient as a whole.
I know nissan hasn't taken to well with variable valve technology, so i understand your stand point. :P
If honda made a 2.5 4cyl it would eat the ser alive. (they have a 2.4 that already can. and a 2.0 that does more than hold its own.)
and the se-r being "better" is totally subjective. What is fact about the ser? it has a bigger engine, and more torque. But lets not get started on the low rent interior, crappy shifter, and horrilbe chassis that cant hold a candle to the si's. THAT is fact.
If I really wanted a Honda to get the job done, I'd just go get a 2.2L S2000. 0-60 in 5.5 is pretty agreeable with me (C&D). But I'm guessing even that wouldn't quiet the nay-sayers.
To assist, here's some quickies I looked up.
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023925
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023900
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=2891
there are so many responses/explanations to this, its incredible.
First off, not even nissan is free from tuner wannabe's; i've seen my fair share of arroz-out nissan with fart can mufflers and no go at all; thats no secret. Having said that; just because someone slapped a vtec sticker on their car and puts a muffler on it doesn't mean that they are actually packing any power; unforutantely there are more misinformed 'tuners' then informed ones, so you are more likely to see what you just described.
I've seen plenty of hondas with go. I've seen civic hatch backs take out corvettes. I've seen crx's take out MOTORCYCLES. (obviously not a legal daily driver.) the tuning potential of some of these cars is incredible. There is no need to dispute that, its common knowledge.
Me? i like the se-r. Especially the new one; i appreciate a car with some oomph that comes in automatic guise; but i also see the other side of it; honda prefers to stick to its philosophy and i respect them for that; it yields great results, both aftermarket and not.
Its safe to assume you have not really encountered a well tuned honda; as few of them are seen in a day to day basis. You are basing your opinion of 'honda vtec boys' on experience with a few punks who think a muffler is cool, something that can be slapped on to any car, not just a honda, thus making your point invalid and without any real basis or real world experience involving someone who knows what they are doing.
Do i diss nissan? NO! they have a huge aftermarket following, and are very prominent on the tuner scene. My buddy with the turboed civic wants a 240sx to be his next project car.
Personally, i just hate people who adhere themselves to one brand, and hate everything else. Nissan has its things, and honda has its things, and even though i prefer honda, i can still appreciate other brands for what they do/put out.
That last part you said isn't remotely true, I know you're getting that garbage from the car reviews. Low rent interior yeah right, honda is a low rent car.
what part was untrue? sorry the previous generation se-r was NOTHING to right home about interior wise; heck the gauges were only slightly different than the base sentras! What proof do YOU have that honda is a low rent car, when they are praised universally for build quality and rich interiors?
with regards to the k24; try going up against someone, even if all they have under their belt is the engine, and see how you come out. It produces almost the same torque as your car, has about 30 more hp and a higher redline. Even in a heavy chassis, this is a force to be reckoned with, but since there are so many variables involved, i'll leave it out of the discussion, because i too think its unfair to get into the whole...'well if i had this engine in THIS chassis' kind of thing.
I guess i should have said its a more powerful and efficient engine.
i've owned 2 hondas
an 01 civic coupe
and an 06 ex sedan
somehow...i still don't see you taking what i'm saying as credible; which really says it all :P (especially when half the things i said are things you can observe and confirm with your own eyes.)
And why is ownership a prerequisite? People are capable of forming an educated opinion without necessarily making the purchase. In fact, if people weren't able to make choices based on at least partial information, we'd all be driving Nitros and Ions.
I am addressing my comments to everyone, but james31278 and eldaino please check your email.
if it really was, you wouldn't need to say things such as this. I've posted useful information and have yet to restort to this.
Well, i did do it one time, but it was a joke. You are being serious.
Like i've said i've owned 2 hondas and have driven the si. I even took my wife this weekend to look at the base se-r, because i like it as a sportier ride that isn't about all out performance, and its roomy, and she doesn't like stick, hence ruling out the si.
Even if i did own an se-r, i would never boast superiority over the si. I know who has more torque, but i also know who has a more focused chassis and gearbox. Its what works best for each person.
And that is something that you cannot sum up with 'Nissan is better.'
this is not an issue on the se-r non spec v though.
They're the exact same interior? Wow, who knew? I, for one, beg to differ.
IF you want to believe biased lackluster reviews go with Honda automatically but if you can think for yourself go with what car that works for you.
Gee, thanks.
You got the new-model Sentra (the boxier one)? They have rebates on them ALREADY? That doesn't sound good...
It just means that Nissan is admitting they can't sell the car without some sort of monetary discount, or that they don't feel the car is worth the asking price to consumers, so they give people money to buy them. That's understandable later in a car's production run, but right off the bat? Doesn't seem like a good idea.
Frankly, I haven't heard of rebates on them in my area, but I'm not necessarily looking for one, so I could just be looking in the wrong places.
It can't be all that powerful either if it was outgunned by the Civic.
Torque steer doesn't have to be a problem. But I remember the outgoing/late model Sentra being noted for its torque steer. The same was true of the Altima V6. Nissan just didn't have that problem resolved.
I know about the old model, but won't make a judgement about the new Sentra until I drive one. The thing that stuck out in my mind about the basic Sentra 2.0 was one review called it a "Mini-Town Car."