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Cadillac is trying to copy the high end imports with their naming of cars. STS, ETC, DTS, CTS..etc. Cop-out in my opinion.
About the pre-sell program. This is going to sound funny, but I have no idea what the differences are. We haven't had anyone attempt to buy one under that program. All I know is that Buick sent out playing cards. On the cards are a few different option packages. Other than that, you got me. On the flip side, I sold 2 "Gammera"'s on Saturday. For those of you buying them for 500 or less over invoice, CONGRATS!! Both of mine were sold for MSRP. I also happen to know that all the other dealers in the area are selling them for list. In fact, one dealer is pricing them at $1,000 over window and adding in the rust proofing for an additional $499 (cost is about $60). So, if you get a discount, you are doing well.
Jeff
I was remembering something my dealer told me when I first gave him my pre-order. He said it looked as if Buick was forgoing the destination charge on the pre-orders. Any answers on that.
I haven't driven it yet and am really curious.
Hey, Woodybuick. Glad to see you back and congrats on the two Gammera sales. What trim level and options were they? Were they orders, or off the floor? Hope you don't mind the questions. I'm just trying to get a sense of availability, what people want, and how much they're willing to part with when paying sticker to get one. Thanks, CWJ
Skippy,
What made you think about the Rendezvous? I looked at it because I have a two-year old and another on the way (October). We travel to Nana & Papa's house quite a bit and it gets crowded in our current car as I also like to take my golf clubs. We looked at vans and were ready to buy the Venture last year (until the dealer added a lot of "fees" to the price). I think I am the typical person Buick was marketing toward. My wife didn't really like the idea of a van, and the typical SUV is just too big for us. I also use the GMCard which limits our options. The RZV is the perfect compromise for us. So how does the RZV fit into YOUR lifestyle.
With the pre-sell hype over with, the board has kind of slowed down. But I'm still here, lurking in the background... kind-of like our friend the host.
R5
Diane- CX Opal Blue / Gray Cloth/leather. 1SD package. That's it. MSRP around $28,000.
Bob- CXL Black / Gray Leather. 1SE package..6 disc, 3rd seat, Capt chairs, Moonroof. MSRP around $35,000.
I don't have the exact numbers on my desk in front of me. I'll post a correction when I get back over here.
CWJ, I don't mind the questions at all. I was visiting the Cadillac boards for quite sometime before I choose to come back to Buick. One thing everyone noticed is that I am not afraid to tell you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, whether you like it or not. I prefer to be brutally honest than dance around an issue. Things never get confused that way. As far as deposits go, Diane is a past customer of mine, so she left me $500. Bob, someone I have never met before, had to leave me $2,000.
One last thing. For anyone in the chicagoland area, my dealership is holding a special Rendezvous rollout party sometime in early June. Probably a wine and cheese type of party. If you are interested, you must e-mail me so I can send you out an invitation as we will not let anyone in unless you have one. I believe we are holding it on June 9th. Doors will open at 6:00pm and the party will continue until 9pm. I have been a part of one of these before and had an absolute BLAST! Of course, the free flowing chardonnay and pinot didn't hurt either 8P.
Jeff
I'm curious, do you know the particulars on the Smart Buy financing? There were a couple of posts up topic mentioning lease interest rates of 5.5% or 5.25%. Are those numbers accurate and are there any "special" traditional financing rates that your dealer mentioned? I'm still considering a lease but leaning towards a traditional loan.
Also, I'll ask first, what color combo did you order?
I'm hoping that Buzzbo's or BYM's RZV arrives soon so we can at least get some real feedback on this critter.
The Dodge Durango and 2002 Ford explorer were good competition but ultimately lost to Buick for more car-like interior, more features for the money, and better reputation for reliability. Also couldn't beat the GM Card bonus on top of GMO pricing.
bertoli - I too would love to hear about low interest financing for pin number pre-orders...nobody told me anything at the dealership. Right now Pentagon Federal Credit Union is offering 6.49% for 60 months...which is the lowest I've found so far. Maybe Greenspan will help us out over the coming weeks?
No doubt... two kids, traveling to visit grandparents, we both order the CXL in bright white with light sandrift. Scary.
We currently travel to my in-laws in an Accord (my wife's car before we married). I am able to fit the traveling playpen, high chair, clubs, and most of our luggage in the trunk but the room gets tight around Christmas time when we have to add gifts and we stay for a longer period. With the car seat in the middle of the back seat, it makes it hard to fit an adult in the back. It will get worse as we have the second child.
The RZV will solve those problems. The cost is more that I wanted, but the GMCard makes it worth while. You got a GREAT deal with your GMO. I was $245 over invoice and you paid about $1,500 less... without the haggling I take it.
R5
Woody, so no one has brought a pin# into your dealership and you're in/near Chicago right? that surprises me but then again did Buick only
give out 5000 pin #'s. My # was in the high 200's
and I didn't receive it until early-mid March. It seems to be only a four digit number, not that it makes a difference but is anyone else curious about this.
Interesting, my pin is a three letter two number combo. We received ours in late March.
Regarding the number of cars sold during the presell program, it appears that Buick was looking to sell 5,000. That's not necessarily the number of PINs issued. Statistically they would have to issue more PINs to reach their goal of 5,000 as some who receive PINs won't order. Likely, they would sell the presells to the first 5,000. If one of the previous posts is correct, they didn't achieve that goal and the presell has been extended to May 31.
Wcammack,
Regarding moving the presells to the front of the line, I wonder how they will do that knowing some will be AWD and others FWD... as well as the various options they must add. Buick said in the presell packet that our vehicles would be "slated for production BY August 1". Personally, I wouldn't mind waiting that long so that I can build up my GMCard earnings.
NOTE TO ALL:
Did anyone else see the note regarding the option packages at the bottom of the order card?
"To drive a Rendezvous home early, you must pick one of the three option decks (deck of cards in the presell game). Your dealer can help you put together an option package customized to your specific needs, but only as part of an order scheduled for production after this presell period".
IMO, this means if we ordered ANYTHING that was not on the presell cards, it doesn't count as a presell car.
Go Raiders!
We live only five minutes from grandma so we often load up with them in their minivan and do things together. The RDV will allow the six of us to travel in high style and comfort now!
Leave Skippy out of it. He's my evil twin and I have enough trouble keeping his poor grammar and typos out of my posts without you encouraging him (see #301 above).
Gammera is what I shall be naming my own Rendezvous (see #289 for initial reference and explanation). Woodybuick used the name in his own post #309. So I just repeated it back to him in my question.
My story? We ski a lot, which means we haul a lot of equipment and go out in bad weather on purpose. This is a good mileage (for the type)all weather vehicle, that looks very nice, with lots of frivolous luxuries to help me forget I'm driving a van/truck hybrid that has a back on it long enough to throw skis in flat on the floor. Wife loves it as well.
CWJ
QUESTION: Re: Heads up "EyeCue" display. I saw a 12/2000 dealer option listing that showed it as part of the 1SD. I then saw a more recent version that showed it as an option available if you get the 1SD. Finally, when we ordered it a couple weeks ago, the dealer's computer showed a "$0.00" price on it, couldn't include it in the car we built, and then was told that EyeCue was not yet available and they had no price on it.
Does anyone have info on whether this truly is/isn't available?
Thanks all!
- Neil
Alternatively, would my dealer be willing/able to shop the lease to other leasing companies that might offer a better overall deal on money factor and/or residual?
We've already negotiated a cap cost amount that we're all happy with.
Thanks!
- Neil
I guess I'm just surpised that this was news to any of you that the presell program at least SEEMED to include ONLY three very specific combinations of packages and other options. That's why I posted the www.buick.com/promotions/presell/ website that was my sole source of information and asked if that differed from anyone else's information.
What's the truth? Who knows? Obviously not us. That's why I decided to take no chances and order my Rendezvous exactly as the website suggested it ought to be configured? Was I taken? Again, who knows? All I do know is that the deal I got made the extra options worthwhile.
CWJ
I understood your questions regarding the differences in the presell options and the regular option packages. I had similar questions last week. The dealer and I tried to verify the differences with Buick THREE TIMES and received THREE DIFFERENT answers. I'm with you, I do not trust the answers I have been given. BTW; did you ever call Buick to try and verify the differences in YOUR package? Did your dealer?
I wanted the trailer/tow. The presell info said my option package came with the trailer/tow, but the dealer had problems ensuring the trailer/tow was on the car. Taken literally, I didn't ADD anything. The dealer ordered my car EXACTLY as it appears in the presell package.
The point I am making here is, if we added anything else that WAS NOT in the presell package, such as the 6 disc stereo or the second row captains chairs, it appears the order WOULD NOT be considered a presell.
In that case, are those orders moved to the front of the line? Not according to the presell info it isn't. And if it isn't considered a presell, what is the dealer doing with our PIN? Is he ordering another RZV that will come into the dealership before ours? Is that fair?
I'm just used to asking these questions in a business deal... especially when it comes to dealing with car dealerships. No offense to those on the board who are dealers, but we backed out of buying the Venture last year simply because the dealer was playing these types of games.
Go Raiders!
As someone mentioned way up topic, Buick may have had to juggle a few things in the option groups to make the numbers work, ie...get the pricing right.
Obviously, this has led to a lot of confusion among us pre-sell customers, who are assuming the info on the cards and pre-sell web page is accurate. To add to the confusion, the dealers are pretty much clueless about the pre-sell program and as some have pointed out Buick is not helping clarify things either. Take a look at some of the web pages offering pricing on the Rendezvous, the prices for the option packages and other options may be close, or right on, but there are variations when it comes to what's included in the different packages.
When I ordered with the PIN#, I asked for the CXL with the versatility pkg., 6CD changer and memory seats. The dealer plugged in the PIN# and told me everything looked good. I *assume* there would have been some kind of "red flag" if there were a problem with the order.
It'll be interesting to see what we all end up with but I'm willing to wager I'll get the options that are included on the "Car and Driver" price guide for the CXL versatility pkg., minus the tire inflation monitor, which seems not to be available; the 6CD changer; and the memory seats.
A couple of weeks ago I tried calling the toll free number listed on the pre-sell card to get some updated information. The Buick telephone drone told me to contact my dealer...sheesh, my dealer was amazed I could order one before he could.
I received an e-mail from Buick with a link to a "pre-sell" website which allowed me to look at the cards and print a "Pre-order" form with a PIN number at the bottom.
If you have read through the posts, you'll see it's all very confusing (more so to Buick than us).
Yep, like you I called Buick. They were pleasant and helpful but did not inspire confidence. Did my dealer call? Don't know. I didn't ask if he did or press him to do so since I wasn't trying to build the car in any way different from the website's $35,152? version (I've got a theory on this price, but would still like to know for certain from where the extra $20 comes on each of the three pre-sell MSRP quotes).
Confusion or not, my sense is that the regulars, folks like BY, Buzzbo, Tony, Fed, you, and me have done the best they could to get the vehicle configured the way they wanted. We all have orders in at prices we are willing to pay, and second guessing the details of the program as to exactly when our vehicles are going to be built is not going to be productive. At worst, I have to believe we're no worse than anyone else putting in an order now and paying MSRP.
Since I ordered my vehicle tricked out to the max, I expect everything that could be attached, added, fitted, installed, bolted, substituted, etc will be a,a,f,i,b,s,etc.'d. In my case, if my vehicle shows up without something, I've got plenty of amunition to say this is not what I ordered. I guess I'd only worry if I ordered something lower down the foodchain like "ingoldman1" did. There Buick and the dealer have the wiggle room to say that such and so was not included in the this or that package. So unless you have reason to believe that your Rendezvous may not arrive with the features you thought you were ordering, I'd sit back and relax. If you really, really, have to know whether or not your order is a "presell" order, then check out the order form your dealer submitted for you. I don't have mine with me, but your PIN number should be in the "DAN" field which I think is the "Dealer Access Number" or something similar. There should also be a three letter option code among the options indicating that yours is a special order. If you check out the dealer instructions on the pre order sheet on the Buick presell website, you'll see what I mean.
Boondocks, I got my presell offer in exactly the same way as did Fedlawman.
I'll post more when I know more...
Also, in most situations, I don't think you're on the hook legally/officially until you drive off the lot in your new vehicle. I don't think many dealers would try and keep your deposit money if you have a legitimate concern/problem with the vehicle or deal.
On another note, I tried calling GMAC and Buick today reference any financing deals on the pre-order RDV's. Neither GMAC or Buick was of any help, I guess I'll just sit tight for a few days and see what develops.
FL Driver
Also as far as being committed when the truck arrives, my salesman said the same thing. "If you do not want it I have a waiting list of interested people." So he did not even want a deposit.
I love the Rendevous and consider buying one as I will be in the market, but want to see what the buzz is after this is out a bit and GM decides to up the ante as they seem to do after the first model year or two based on consumer feedback, I can imagine a Motor Trend survey where owners are cited saying they would like more power especially when loaded up. GM has this now with the current minivan scenario, loaded with passengers and gear and you are not going anywhere.
From what I gather from the Aztek crowd it doesn't seem to be a problem, but then again the Buick is heavier from the start...I'm going to take a close look at this when I finally get to drive one.
Not that I race it often but, I have surprised more than a few kids in their Integra's and Eclipse's who thought they would shoot ahead of me from a stoplight, only to find that they couldn't...I especially enjoy the kids waving at them as they try in vain to pass me.
By the way, compare the numbers to the Lexus RX 300 and you'll find they aren't too far off:
220 hp vs. 185 hp
222 tq vs. 210 tq
3900 lbs vs. 4000 lbs.
Of course the 3.8 L would have been a better performer, and I doubt it costs more to produce. I have no idea why they didn't use it, but I'm sure most people won't miss it.
Since I see you're still watching this topic, I'm still curious. Why would you want a floor shifter? CWJ
Which CXL option package did you order? Did you order anything extra or was it the straight package? Did you add the chromed wheels and now are reverting back to the original set? When did you place your order?
Just curious.
R5
I read in the local paper that a 3.8L option may be coming for 2003.
I'll post more tomorrow once I've checked it out a bit tonight.