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OBVIOUSLY, if the car comes to the table costing just as much with less performance, than it will fail. So I don't need to ask that question.
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If you are just throwing out numbers, you could use 30 K for a loaded V8 Genesis.
In my opinion, it doesn't make sense to just guess at a price.
I believe that a loaded V8 will cost much more than 32K
???
I just don't see how it changes my question.
Again, like I said, if it is CHEAPER than comparably equipped competitors, yet is a bit slower, what is the problem?
I don't need to ask, "hey, what if it costs the same and offers less performance?" because I know the answer to that question.
Ok, tell ya what, I'll edit the question as follows for those impaired by theoreticals:
Would the Genesis really be such a dog if it had 30 less horsepower and could run to 60 in 2 tenths of a second slower than a competitor you are considering, yet, comparably equipped to that competitor, cost $4k less?
How about $3k less?
What about $2k?
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I know the G8 is more leaning to the performance side versus the Genesis is emphasizing more on the luxury. However, given that they are both RWD, V6 standard / V8 option and in similar price range, there should be little doubt that these two will be cross shopped by the buyers regularly.
"Cross shopped", I doubt it.
I can't imagine the dweebs in Korea were thinking about competeting with a Pontiac of all things when designing Genesis. Their egos where directed toward Germany/Japan. Trouble is, they can't solve the clunk in the Azera, so how are their rope-a-dope US dealers going to sell an upgraded "lux sedan"?
You're right in the fact that Hyundai is not thinking about the Pontiac buyer as their competition with the Genesis.
They are definitely looking for the buyers of the German and Japanese models.
You are also correct with your comment about their need to deal with problems in a better and more timely manner.
They are doing a poor job in dealer improvement at all levels, facilities, sales and service.
I am sure that there are some good dealers out there, but they appear to be few and far between.
Once again, for the third or fourth time, I am not guessing as to pricing. The original poster this stemmed from (dborth) was claiming that 340hp would be a deal killer for him. I am merely trying to ascertain why that would be the case when, in fact, we don't know any other details or how that will come out in the real world in terms of performance or pricing. I am asking that poster IF. In other words, all I am saying is why make a decision that a lousy few hp kills a car when it MAY perform just as well or MAY be less expensive or MAY ... fill in the blank. Try reading all the posts in order and this may make more sense to you.
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From a marketing standpoint, RWD-V8 is huge for Hyundai. 4-door sedan V8's from Japan & Germany are so far superior to those produced by the big 3 US it is safe to assume Hyundai's will follow suit.
To put it another way, the rumored 380hp will drive more people in to see Genesis that won't bother if product launch HP is another me-too, same as Chrysler and less than Pontiac
Marketing 101 is bigger, faster, more, better. If you can get all that at a value price with the backing and confidence of a leading warranty.....bingo.
And you only need to look at other competitions to know the score. Infiniti offers more HP than BMW, yet it doesn't keep folks out of the bimmer showroom. That's just one example. There are many.
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Source: Inside Line
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef78133/116!make=Hyundai&model=All&ed_mak- eindex=.ef78133
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f13336f/25!make=Hyundai&model=All&ed_make- index=.f13336f
On that note, Mods, please merged the above two links - both are discussions about the RWD coupe.
up until then, i thought the reason might be "to have an intelligent debate."
i truly am curious why some people feel the need to hang their hats on certain numbers that may not translate into real-world differences. Unfortunately, it seems I will never find out as it always seems to degrade into your comment above.
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Not the Waterfall based grill. Does resemble the genesis and some sketches but hey it's not bad. Getting used to it though.
doesn't the trunk looks a little small?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/17/spy-shots-production-hyundai-genesis-sedan/
Now, the front is another matter all together. It might take me a bit of time to get used to the grill especially.
In any regard, we'll have to see how it looks first hand. I'm curious as to how the released model will be laid out as far as the interior, as well as, of course, how it handles, performs, and rides.
to me, it looks like a 5 series from the back..and by looking at the picture from the side mirror, the front looks like the new mercedes c-class
looks good
I see sensors on front and rear.
If the navigation system is an option, my guess is that a rear camera is available only with the nav. system.
I hope that the large black patch with giant "H" logo is not included on the final US Genesis version. Other manufacturers have lazar guided cruise and brake control without showing a huge antenna.
It is a marriage between Benz and Lexus...
I hope that the marriage doesn't end in a divorce.
LoL! that's a memorable quote!
I think the Detroit unveiling will be filled with surprises for many of us anticipating this vehicle. By the way, I noticed that even though Hyundai has stated that they do not intend to launch a premium brand, they have not dismissed it for the future. Of course it is predicated with the words 'if'. If Hyundai can establish a beach head in the U.S. and generate sufficient sales for both the BH coupe and sedan.
This is the 'safe' way to play it but is it smart? Maybe. On the one hand, they can cost-effectively launch and market premium vehicles through their existing value brand without the risk or required overhead of a separate premium channel like Genesis. Good for short term but in the long term, if they expect significant growth, they will need to separate these upmarket cars from the herd.
Drive on.
This must be the new Azera or Korean home market Dynasty. It in no way resembles the supposed Genesis.
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http://www.myride.com/research/editorial/makeandmodel/mixedsources.html?editoria- lId=3372
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http://www.myride.com/research/editorial/video/makeandmodel/viewer.html;MYRIDESE- SSID=2Q0zHDCBYhzzQDb1LJ14MgpfLm1tfGnCQRCpC2hQp3hYLFnlnk64!490506508?videoId=1223-
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By the way . . . on the front bumper there's a square device and some round sensors. I assume the square device is the adaptive cruise control and the round sensors are for accident avoidance. Is that correct?
Is that a back-up camera on the rear (see circled) or is that something else?
The grill does not have the large "H" emblem with the black colored shield surrounding it. Does this indicate that this model does not have the lazar collision avoidance system?
You can easily spot the difference between a 7 series and the 5, or the S between the E.
The Korean clowns have done a fairly nice job of knocking off the Infinity M.
There are A LOT of photos posted here (links), which seem to be a different version than posted above. Looks good!!
Forgeting RWD vs FWD, ignoring a new grill, a V8 option and more HP in the 3.8, this is still an Azera.
Are you serious? Have you seen the exterior, the interior (check the above link)? The specs, features?
"Forgeting RWD vs FWD, ignoring a new grill, a V8 option
and more HP in the 3.8, this is still an Azera."
No, it is a Hyundai. It's certainly not an Azera. Can't you see the differences?
Won't you at least wait until your lease is up and you have
moved on before you start with the negative vibes?
"The Korean Clowns" you say . . . Give the Koreans their due respect please.
What does that make us that drive Azeras and
think that they are one of the best buys going?
FWIW, this car looks fine to me, it should cater to the market. I've seen several iterations of the exterior/interior, so just waiting until the car (north american spec) debuts to make a better judgment, but so far so good!!
John Krafcik, of Hyundai US, stated they have changed the fascias and light treatments a number of times. He did say the vehicle, when they displayed the concept in NY that everything from the 'A to C Pillar' was pretty much what you were getting. These vehicles are most likely not what will be marketed. I really like the rear but the front pics, especially the one with no emblem, needs work. I think they should stay very close to what the concept offered. Very dynamic and fresh but seemed to not offend in anyway.
We'll just have to see when they launch it in Korea in about 2 weeks at their 40th Anniversary Celebration. There is a lot riding on this vehicle and I think Hyundai is really going to nail this one.
Here ya go. Could those spyshots be the USDM version. I somewhat doubt hyundai testing a USDM model in Korea. Maybe they do. Or hyundai just wanted to shed the camo of the korean models and use hyundai emblems instead of genesis. BH is the trim level in the Genesis. It looks like the KDM only 3.3L version. The USDM is of course 3.8L and 4.6L. The autospies ones are the USDM model. The USDM model is probably going to look like the first korean pics. Enjoy!
I have not noticed the collision avoidance "patch" on a Avalon nor a BMW.