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http://www.edmunds.com/chrysler/pacifica/2006/consumerreview.html
Which has a consumer overall rating of 8.3...
http://autos.aol.com/cars-Chrysler-Pacifica-2006/reliability/
Which has an average overall rating...
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2006&make=Chrysler&model- =Pacifica
Which has a high rating by users and msn autos...
I feel that my research was good. I would urge all of you dissatisfied owners to go out to these sites and voice your ratings. Someone searching for a used car probably doesn't go Googling for "X" car engine oil issues.
Also, if anyone hears or starts such a lawsuit as talked about, I would truly be interested. I heard a lot of groaning and complaining but haven't heard about much action.
Glad to hear you are free of your Pacificia.
As I drove away from my last oil change (done properly) I was furious thinking that the guys who did other oil change guys must have forgot the oil. So, I go on a trip about 1600 miles and get back home less than 30 days after this last oil change (and I saw the dip stick so I know it was full) and flush. Find out I'm MORE THAN 3 QTS LOW.
No oil light warning, nothing. So took it to dealer today to see what is up. :mad:
After reading all your complaints about Chrysler knowing about this issue and all the engines being replaced. I'm worried...I drive my disabled daughter around in this car and not feeling so safe anymore. No one does a good and fair job anymore... Seems like almost every business is set up to rip us all off and get away with it. Tired of businesses whining about taxes and regulations. Screw business, help consumers!
And for the fellow who thought that 3 oil consumption tests would matter, I wasted my time on several tests all showing a quart of Mobil 1 used per thousand miles, only to have the dealer show me a crusty, old ripped piece of paper stating that the oil consumption needed to be more than 1 qt per 750 miles or less to be unusual!! Come on, that's absurb! I have any number of vehicles in my life that consume no more than a qt every three thousand miles and more. I have a Touareg which goes 8k miles between Mobil one oil changes and uses less than one quart in that much time.
Where is the legal mind when you need one?
I am shocked to find so many people with this issue. I just took my car in for a check up. I heard some engine knocking / tapping and now I'm told my engine is totaled.
I never had an issue with oil before and the mechanic told me there was only a half-quart of oil left in the car and all the oil was burned. He never saw anything like it before.
The oil light never came on, so how should we know when the oil runs low?
I'm sure Chrysler will be no help on this matter.
Anyone have any suggestions on how to fight for the Powertrain warranty? :sick:
Had my oil changed and the guy told me the pan threads were stripped. Inopportunely it could have happed at any one of the places I took my car to. This still sounds like an issue across the board for others. A new pan will cost $800. From the other posts I see that people have it on back order. I plan to go to a junk yard.... should be plenty there from this form list.
I put the hose back to original config and the issue went away.
As to the oil consumption: I use a measuring cup and add exactly pint at a time when I hit a certain spot on the dipstick. I log the mileage and it looks like I burn a quart roughly every 1200 miles. Chrysler calls a quart every 800 acceptable usage. For most people - if you don't do your own oil change and you don't frequently check the level AND the person who does your oil does not let you know - you wouldn't know that your a quart low.
When I changed oil on every other car I have owned - I never noticed a low level on a 3400 mile change interval.
It turns out the problem was oil pump probably caused by clogging which appearently is common with this engine. Is there any class action against Chrysler or could anyone recommend a good/reasonable attorney specializing in this area of law?
Recently I began to drive it (sold my car-down to one family vehicle now) and noticed the massive amount of oil consumption, from 1 to 2 quarts every 3000miles.
I never noticed it before, but that is because I/we never opened the hood, always took it to get serviced like clockwork over the years at the GM Dealer. Now post recession, and income totally different, began to check these things out myself.
It is possible car was always consuming oil for years, but we never noticed because we never looked under the hood.
Now we are at over 120,000miles and still going strong.
From the looks of these posts, oil consumption in excess compared to other vehicles is normal. Just keep it at the normal level by adding a quart.
You need to understand what's really going on here. I sold out of my Pacifica for this reason.
The combustion chamber is burning oil at an accelerated rate and amount compared to the default industry standard today. Everything is made to more exacting tolerance than years past, so the tolerance for excess carbon going through the combustion chamber and into the catalytic converter is a set amount well below what you are now producing. There is a disparity between the engineered values and the actual ones we experience. If Chrysler exposed itself to what is really going on here, it would potentially add up to many hundreds of millions of dollars. Mercedes co-developed this car and engine and they experienced the same types of excess oil consumption and have also had to account for this to owners, who are not as easily shunted aside.
Eventually, you are going to plug up the catalytic converter with carbon, at the very least, if not have other powertrain wear issues. Plan to sell off this vehicle before it is a steaming pile of junk... I have told you so!
The amounts of maintenance that will begin to be apparent even if you do keep the oil level up is dramatically higher for this situation than another engine which is tighter and uses less than a quart per oil change (3500-5000 on dino oil/6000-7500 on synthetic).
You simply do not have the money to fix what is ailing this series of motors. Chrysler is not admitting to their complicity and therefore not crafting a proper solution. Getting a ring job done may not be the end of the problem!
Good luck,
I now drive a Kia Sorento (w/a 3.5 V6!) made in Georgia!
I own a 2006 Pacifica touring with the oil issues being described. I have 88,000 miles on it now and I am about a quart down every 1000 miles and getting worse. I've been dealing with this issue on a consistent basis for about a year. Took the car to dealer at the time we noticed and they said it was normal though anyone other than Chrysler said it was not. That said, I got fed up and emailed Bob Kidder, the CEO, about a month and a half ago asking for help and stating my issue. I didn't have much expectation but felt the need to be heard. 3 weeks go by and no response so I emailed a follow up and sure enough responses were happening. I got a call from a top care specialist at headquarters in Detroit, who said an engineer will come and look at the issue. That said, a day goes by and a district manager offers me 20 free oil changes, in which I balked at that fix and quite frankly was insulted. That prompted me to email Mr Kidder back with this blog link and call the contact at headquarters to voice my frustration. It was then, things got real interesting. I get a call the next day from the same district manager that offered the oil change stating they now want to look at the car and will do so with a Chrysler engineer. That same day, the top care specialist called me to state the same and that they have had numerous conference calls and meetings on this to determine how they wanted to handle my issue. I thought that whatever I have said clearly has stirred the pot as she stated a lot of eyes up in Detroit are on my issue.
That said, the car was brought in and a series of tests were completed on the car with the said engineer and the service folks. They said the results of the tests were normal but they gave me an oil change, marked the dipstick, and sealed the oil cap and said come back in 1,000 miles.
Today was that 1,000 miles and they show me being down a half quart. The service people said they have called Detroit asking for next steps and are awaiting a response. Until then, they said I could pick up the car today though they went through the process of getting us a rental. Seems weird and none of the service people would comment on the results.
I know many people have the same issues I'm experiencing and I would hope you would keep an eye on my developments as I have caused quite a stir up North. Depending on the outcome, there may be a need to look into a class action opportunity as consumers of this car, it is not right to have to turn in a car with a major defect that the company is unwilling to address. BTW, I'm located in Columbus, Ohio and have been taking the car to Byers Chrysler.
She went to Honda, Suzuki, Toyota, Saturn, Ford, and Chevrolet. Obviously no Chrysler. She did not find anything she liked as much as the Pacifica. I took her on a date about a week later and she drove the Nissan Pathfinder and fell in love. I was not shocked as I have the Frontier.
Needless to say, we now have four Nissans and they burn about a quart of oil total every three months among them. That is from the NX2000 that has 274, 000 miles on it. The 300zx has 92, 000 miles, the Frontier has 40,000 miles and her Pathfinder has 54,000 miles with no problems.
I hate to buy out of the American market, but I can't tolerate substandard products. Best of luck to all the Pacifica owners. My recommendation is to go shopping.
We have a 2007 Pacifica Touring AWD with 102,000 miles and the engine has been flawless! The oil gets changed between 4,000 and 5,500 miles. The most oil it has ever used is 1 quart when it went 6,200 miles before we could get the oil changed. If your Pacifica was purchased new by you then the Lifetime Power Train Warranty would take care of it. Our PAC was bought 8- 31- 07 new. We have put a lot of miles on the PAC going to the VA Hospital and home. Sometimes as many as 15 trips a month. Each trip is 230 miles round trip.
We have had 15 new Chrysler made vehicles in our 42 years of marriage. We have had two that had problems. A 1996 Dodge Caravan, and a 2005 Jeep Liberty Diesel. Both of these vehicles Chrysler contacted us and asked us if we wanted Chrysler to buy them back, replace them with the same vehicle or buy something else Chrysler made. The 1996 Caravan we elected an exact replacement. On the Jeep Liberty we chose a 207 Jeep Compass. The Compass was too small so we traded it in for the Pacifica with the Lifetime Power Train Warranty. So we are very pleased with how we have been treated, and the vehicles we have had.
The fact is if you are happy you might tell four people. If you are unhappy you will tell 20 people.
I am sorry you two have had such problems, but I would blame the service dep. at the dealer for messing things up.
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I assume this all to late for your situation, but perhaps others who read this might gain some insight.
farout
I believe that the problem is considerably more associated with the 2005 AWD version from the past 6 years of data collection.
As I stated, I have had zero problems with Nissan and all of my experiences with the dealer (Mossy has all the local Nissan dealerships) have been fantastic. My Frontier feels like new every-time I drive away with the routine maintenance, my Z is the best, my beater NX is fun (274,000 miles and purring) and my wife loves her Pathfinder. Although my wife and I have been married only 12 years, I look forward to owning my Z and Frontier for the next 30 years. I am sure my wife will probably have a few new vehicles over that time.
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I've read about all the issues other Pacifica owners are having, but I haven't had any stalling or starting issues. Idles just fine, no stalling, stuttering, nothing! Just the check engine light consistantly on. And the ABS light, but that's the least of my worries at the moment. I've had no other problems with the car except this. Any suggestions as to what else this can be??? I really don't think it's the fuel pump! And I refuse to drop $700 if this is not truly the problem!
Thanks!
I've been told by a chrysler mechanic in Texas that if the light comes back with the same code (low evap leak), I need to have a 'smoke test' done to see if there is a leak elsewhere in the fuel line. The 'gas cap' indicator never went off (where the mileage shows) in all of this. Brand new cap and it's been tightened by 2 different men, so I know it's pretty secure.
Just so over the lack of answers and problems with this car. Oh yeah, add to the list that it sucks oil like nobody's business. I have to add a quart or 2 between regularly scheduled oil changes. But I stay on top of that so it shouldn't be a problem in the future (hopefully!!)
I'm so over this car and the problems!!
I have read that using Mobile 1 oil can cause the rings to not seal properly and use oil. Has anyone used Mobile 1 oil with the problem of oil consumption?
Chryslers are pieces of [non-permissible content removed] and they do not take responsibility for anything! Mine was the fuel pump module. $700 to replace it. I had 2 pending codes that took 2000 miles to clear (catalytic converter and o2 sensor) to clear. I'm sure those will be next on the list to replace.
Good luck to anyone else that has a lemon like these. It's alot of out of pocket to keep it up. Whatever happened to American cars being quality??