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I was getting 37+ mpg on that Milan I4 AT on the highway on my trip, so I can certainly see an Accord getting 38 mpg on the highway under certain conditions.
To me - yes. Not trying to imply anything except the frame of reference for my statements.
The "certain conditions" are what are so important. You can't get such mileage at 80 MPH with 4 people and the A/C cranked, running with winter blend 10% Ethanol.
You CAN however at 70mph, alone, A/C, with the cruise set.
I'm convinced that 90% of people could improve their economy by an easy 10% if they'd do nothing but drive when in the car; paying attention to lights and how fast they NEEDED to accelerate, not how fast they have to accelerate to be at the front of the pack on the six lane highway.
But let's not go overboard and start hyper-miling - pushing the car, taking corners too fast, coasting well below the speed limit and flow of traffic.
Coasting, as you said, is a HUGE factor. For example, if I'm on the 5-lane (2 each way with a turn-lane) road near my home that has a 45 mph limit, and I see the light turn red well in advance. I'm not against coasting down to 30 mph before I eventually have to apply the brake as I approach the intersection. If I have people riding my tail , they have another lane to go around (I'm a right-lane renegade), as there is no point in ACCELERATING or driving 45-50mph up until it is time to brake.
What's more puzzling is the V6:
The 3.6 with the 6 speed is far inferior in terms of MPG than the 3.5 with a 4 speed :confuse:
The Sandman
odometers are not always accurate either(cough*honda*cough).
Regards:
Oldengineer
Who said you had to? Those are what I consider to be mainstream midsize sedans and I was only using them in the context of what I used for comparison. I was not suggesting that was anyone else's definition.
Interesting...I never even thought of that as a possible source of error.
OTOH, I do agree with elroy that "Real World" is only real, if it's YOUR world .
One person might regularly drive 80 on the freeway and another only 55, they will report drastically different mpg.
"City" driving varys so much depeding not only on the driver, but on how city-ish your city is. NYC is a city and so is Des Moines...I'm guessing average mpg in those two real world cities would be quite different even for the same driver.
I agree when you are comparing only two people. I think that it is kind of like the old 80/20 rule. 20% will drive at the extremes(55/80) the other 80% will drive around 5 over the limit. As you look through the mpg forums it seems like most people are driving around 65-75. That's the type of driving I do on the interstate and I consider myself to be pretty much in the norm and with the flow of traffic.
for 18736 incl everything, except nj tax and plates/registration ( which ill get on my own)
good deal or not? please advice
Maybe not, but they can charge anything they like to provide the service of obtaining plates for you, etc.
That depends on the State, I think mine has a limit of $20 that can be charged as a service fee for plates and registration.
Can you cite the item in the Illinois code that says it has to be charged the same to all customers? That's a popular statement by salesmen to try to defuse customers' resistance to paying it. See if there really is a law. What they can do is just lower the price of the car and then leave the line item on their preprinted billing. I just ignore such fees to beging with.
A recent consumer show talked about how real estate people are trying to sneak in extra fees in closings, since some car dealers are getting by with it so much. They add in a few hundred dollars on the final closing statement as "administration" fee, he said -- Clark Howard @ clarkhoward.com
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Also, per law as well every customer must be charged the same amount for the doc fee, or monies must be refunded to customers who paid higher if discrepancies are found at time of an audit, unless the dealer got approval for a higher fee amount prior to the fee amount change. This also rings true to those who want a doc fee waived. It is unlawful to do so. The only thing a dealer can do is lower the selling price of the vehicle to compensate.
# Dealers will be permitted to assess up to $75 in documentary fees on each delivery to an eligible purchaser under the terms of the Plan, unless otherwise provided by state or local laws or regulation. Each dealer is responsible for complying with applicable laws or regulations.
# Unless otherwise provided by state or local laws or regulation: In states where dealers are not permitted to charge as much as $75 for doc fees, dealers would be capped at the lesser amount as provided by the state. In states that permitted more than $75, dealers would be permitted to charge the Plan customer $75. In states that permitted more than $75 and also required that all customers be charged the same amount, dealers may charge the Plan customer $75 and indicate any additional fees have been paid by Ford Motor Company as part of the AXZD-Plan Program dealer reimbursement on the buyer's order.
# Doc Fee Charges should be detailed on the AXZD Plan Pricing Agreement located in number 4.
# Mazda dealerships may charge reasonable and customary document preparation and/or administrative service fees for S-Plan sales. Please review all fees with your Mazda sales consultant and be sure you understand and agree prior to completing a sale.
This was discussed in another topic. States may vary, but I'd like to see the quote of the legislation. Years ago I had a Levi store manager tell me he had to see drivers license identification for a signed Visa/Mastercard. He even told me it was Michigan law! I asked for a copy and he copied a section of the law that didn't say that at ALL!!! Duh.
Next visit to the outlet mall we intentionally bought clothes for the kid at the same Levi store (West Branch, MI) and they didn't ask for ID for the signed credit card. I complained to the credit card company.
Same thing happened long ago using Travelers Checks at a KMart in Atlanta. They wanted to see a drivers license. With the travelers checks at that time if the signatures matched the store was protected.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The keyword search on the side bar is a marvelous thing, truly! :P
Even if it is referring to the hybrid, the non-hybrids will get at least 32. The Mazda version still uses a 5 speed transmission whereas the Fords will use a new 6 speed.
Remember that the Mazda 5-speed ATX has a manual mode too. You can safely bet that it will be geared towards performance rather than max fuel econ which would explain some of the difference.
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Might help this somewhat.........
Actually, I went to test drive the Mazda6 and they told me I had to lose 15 lbs before I could even test drive it. :sick: They might be getting carried away with this weight savings...
I kid, I kid...
Is that how the Malibu gets 33 mpg hwy for the I4 in the 2009 model? Is the fallout from the new EPA mpg test, which features greater acceleration? The old test only had very light acceleration, so I would guess early shifting could be have been restricted to only those conditions and now they would, perhalps, extend it to other conditions.