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and I think better looking, too.
The TDI engines should be around for well over 250K miles, as long as the car itself doesn't blow up before then. A friend of mine bought a '99 and '00 Golf TDI for his floral business, after owning a Rabbit Diesel that got over 300K miles. Unfortunately, both cars were affected with electrical gremlins (typical of VW as of late), and after the '99 needed a whole new fuel system and turbo, and the '00 lost it's second transmission, they were both retired with less than 120K miles on each, and my friend didn't quite get the $$$$ savings he expected (if any).
I've heard that VW quality has indeed improved over the past two years or so, but personally, I still wouldn't drop a dime on a new one just yet. They are a bit pricey, but they offer a ton of standard equipment, and the interiors are quite nice.
As for the '11, if you can wait, do so until the '11s hit the dealer lots. If they aren't that impressive, you should be able to get a good deal on any left-over '10s.
Others that were midsize according to EPA criteria were the Lumina and the Plymouth Acclaim (and Dodge whateveritwas). I also looked at the Passat, and it too made was EPA midsize.
Personally, I just like TSX better. Yes it is a little smaller and gets slightly lower mileage (and uses Premium gas, but at today's prices is just 7% higher than regular) but the interior is so much nicer. Sonata looks very nice but much of it is hard plastic, and the leather is not so soft either. My girlfriend is currently driving a 2000 Corolla, so just about anything will be larger and a big step up.
In any case, she is pretty well sold on Jetta TDI now. I will have to look into when the 2011 will come out, and see if she is willing to wait for it.
Meanwhile, while you were pretending that your Accord was midsize , the compact Contour was getting slammed for a cramped back seat? With 34.3 inches of rear seat leg room :confuse: .
I was selling these beasts in the spring of 1990, and the Acclaim/Spirit were generally cross-shopped with the slightly larger Taurus, Century, et al.
I never had seat-time in a Spirit/Acclaim, so I'm going by what I remember, albeit vaguely.
Now that I think of it, my junior-high band director drove a dark green Dodge Spirit V6, and uplevel model.
I'm a kind of newbie in this forum and I have hesitated it for a long time but I decide to post about my 09' Accord or 10' Accord acceleration (LX-P / 2.4l / v4).
Actually, I read plenty of articles about "09 Accord v4 has ample power" and "more sporty driving" than Camry and other midsize sedan.
However, I realized that it's not that fast (I know. I don't expect Porsche's acc eleartion from my Accord). Even it's "much" slower than my 08' Volkswagen Rabbit.
Also, for the sporty driving, what I can feel is only "loud road noise". The car leans a lot in cornering and after 60-70mph, it's really hard to accelerate in normal way. To reach around 80mph, I really did "floor" it. (Not at all in my Rabbit)
I know Accord is more family sedan than Rabbit but I'm very disappointed at this.
I'm not really sure if it's happening at my car but the mileage is only 12,000 and this is bothering me a lot.
Do I expect too much? Also I can read a lot of evaluation results which are saying 09', 10' Accord is one of the slowest car in this segment.
I would like to listen you guru's opinion on this.
As long as you don't EVER have to park next to anyone, or in the garage next to a car you like. A perfect car for a family with 3 kids is one with SLIDING DOORS. My Ford friends either 1. dont put the Flex in the garage, 2. only put the Flex in the garage, or 3. have Miatas/Mustangs that look like golf balls.
Funny, I park mine in the garage everyday, next to a Grand Marquis, and there is plenty of room to get in and out, from both sides!. Mini vans are for wimps, real people drive a Flex! LOL :shades: The doors on the Flex are not that much bigger than the ones on my Fusion Sport. The ones on my F350 however are huge, and there is only enough room to get in from one side if parked in the garage.
Eh, show me the garage you parked the Expedition in...
Most of the houses in the sub have 2.5 car garages, and still the Flex is either the only thing in the garage or the only thing in the driveway.
Yup, for the driver...its not the front doors that got Honda Oddesey'd or Mazda MPV'd.
Its the back doors that are extra long and make ingress and egress so easy (so long as you have an acre on either side). Installing a child car seat in an MkT in the parking lot of Babys R Us was an off peak experience I don't need to repeat any time soon.
I am sure for older kids and teens, its a great vehicle.
This "wimp" wants sliding doors and is secure enough not to need a psuedo-stationwagon-crossover thing when driving my family around. Maybe the Ford Focus based minivan thing (think Mazda5) will fit the bill.
I guess I just don't see the wimp issue with sliding doors. I don't really want to bounce along the road at higher cost in fuel and purchase price to show I have enough testosterone.
We have a Mazda 5 and are very happy with it. It handles really well and has outstanding steering for what it is. I wouldn't find it nearly as good if it had swinging doors. They open really wide and you don't have to worry about dinging the car next to you.
How did this get in the Sedans anyway?
Ford Fusion Sport baby, that's the winner! AWD, Lots of power, lots of room, lots of comfort, and very high quality! It isn't a cheapo Camry.
Because you brought it in. IE from your post from May 8th is below after different posters mentioned car seats.
"The perfect family car for a family with 3 kids is the Flex, very easy to get in and out of, and VERY easy to install car seats"
Why you often seem inclined to bring the Flex into a discussion of midsize cars is beyond me unless you just want everyone to know that you own one.
I know 3 Caravan owners and all report right around 13 mpg city and 22 highway. I get 16 and 24 in my AWD Flex. IIRC the Sienna and Odyssey are right around 16 city in FWD mode too. I don't see the benefit in gas mileage you are claiming.
As for price? Show me a comparably equipped Flex and minivan that don't cost about the same. The minivans have a slight space advantage but not everyone needs that extra space near the headliner. I certainly don't.
I think you're thinking of last gen SUVs and not modern CUVs which are basically minivans with some SUV capabilities and without the fuel penalty.
For the record my Flex sits next to an '08 Escape in our 83 year old detached 2 car garage. We have no problems getting in or out on either side and I've installed and un-installed the car seats in both several times with no problem. Yes, all inside the garage. When there was an Explorer and a Mustang in there it was worse because of the Mustang's long doors. Still not unbearable though.
Any new sedans on the horizon? When is Honda due to refresh the ugly (IMHO) Accord? They used to be so competitive, but they are losing their lead with the last redesign. They need to get it together, fast.
Funny how I see comments on the need for an Accord refresh, and the current design debuted for the 2008 MY. We likely won't see a new Accord until late 2012 at the earliest, unless Honda accelerates its product timetable.
Another car that IMHO was screwed up with the last redesign. Look at how their sales have plummeted.
We likely won't see a new Accord until late 2012 at the earliest, unless Honda accelerates its product timetable.
I'm sure you are correct, as they have been conserving money like everybody else. I hope their next one looks better and even gets a bit smaller. Then restore some of the handling that it lost over the years.
Is the VW new US made midsized sedan going to replace the Passat only? I thought I read somewhere where it will replace both the Passat and the Jetta and will be called Jetta II or something. I could have been dreaming though.
It does seem like a lot of people ask about the Accord redesign when it is only in its third year. Maybe a major tweak versus a redesign. Anything would help IMO.
2012 Camry and 2012 Altima will be next generation redesigns while 2011 Accord and 2011 Malibu should be mid-life refreshing since its the 4th model year out of the 5 for the current generation!
And the Sonata is already out as far as new designs go--yes, turbo and hybrid versions will be out pretty soon. When was the last time anyone saw me "forget" about a new Hyundai design?
According to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_New_Midsize_Sedan
they have just recently (March 31) decided to drop the Passat.
The CC is suffering from the same fate that the Phaeton did, it's a Volkswagen, a "people's car", yet it's not priced like a VW should be to 99% of car buyers. That's also why the Genesis sedan hasn't taken the Luxury class by storm in terms of sales (nor will the Equus). People don't think Hyundai or VW for $35K+ vehicles.
Watch, though... someone will load up an Altima 3.5 or Mazda6 V6, and it will creep over $35k...
If the CC would offer seating for 5, a TDI getting 40+ mpg and VW could gain in reliability and dealer quality perception(and reality of course) they would sell very well IMO. I know that's asking a lot and possibly wishful thinking. The CC is just such a gorgeous looking car with a very nice interior it's a shame they can't get it right. We'll see if the new VW midsize can compete better than the Passat did and possibly become a player in this category.
If Toyota follows their routine the Camry will be on sale right after the Detroit Autoshow...which is toward the end of January or early Feb.
I'm really interested in the VW NMS...supposedly debuted late this year and it will have a diesel engine option...
I'm no longer in the market for a new car...test drove the new Sonata and loved it, everything else in the class kinda bores me at the moment except Ford Fusion but I can't stand the current Fusion's interior design...looks real low rent IMO. I drove the current generation Altima (didnt like it at all), the new Accord (nice but a bit boring now) the current Optima, the Malibu and the Mazda6...nothing really got my attention. So I started looking at used cars and I found a Graphite Gray 07 Honda Accord EX-L 5spd manual sedan in mint condition got it for a good price and I jumped on it. My 05 Nissan Altima was literally falling apart at 146k miles.(engine issues, trim piece issues, suspension issues and lets not forget electrical issues) so I dumped it! The Accord from that generation is so much better than the Altima from around the same time in terms of build quality, steering/handling and refinement. Only area I believe the Altima excelled over my Accord was looks. Came REAL close to buying a Sonata...but the deal on the Accord was just too good to pass up plus I'm heading back to college this fall so the low payment on the Accord made more sense than going for the new, more expensive Sonata. Wish me luck guys! I'm going to pay it off in three years then look for a slightly used 2012 Sonata Turbo or Kia Optima EX/SX or pehaps something entirely out of this class (Focus)
I kick myself everyday...I should have just gotten an Accord back when I got my Altima in the first place...you live you learn. ">
Sonata offers 5 seats, tons of standard equipment and the same sexy styling for what, 5k less? More?
Then when you creep up to the low 30's you start to ask why you're spending that on a VW instead of an A4 or even a slightly used BMW. At least that's my thought process.
That said, the interior does look nice in the images I've seen and it is a very sharp car in general.
Personally, I like the Altima, it definitely has the best ride quality/handling balance of the big Japanese 3 and the interior was clean and simple looking and had better quality/fit & finish then the current Camry does(I know, doesn't appeal to everyone but it did for me); plus the Altima was a lot more quieter then the current Gen Accord on the road in regards to road/wind noise at highway cruising! But I do agree, while I like it, it badly needs a redesign because its age is really beginning to show, just like the Camry does!
VW instead of an A4 or even a slightly used BMWcar. At least that's my thought process.