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Who benefits? We the consumers do!
They can "leapfrog" themselves all they want. It's the buyers than benefit in the end.
No, that is not all you said. You said "which would be amazing considering how far ahead it already is." You didn't explain how the currrent Fusion is so far ahead already(which it isn't) and just went on about the rumors you've heard about the future Fusion Hybrid. It appeared that you were failing to recognise the advances in mpg and the lower pricing of the Camry and still thought the current Fusion was ahead. That prompted my comment. I"m sorry if I offended you, it wasn't meant to.
Toyota's "booth babes" can't even wear snazzy outfits (style, not sexiness) as they'd outshine the product.
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Sorry, I dozed off there.
I think it's a sign that the 2012 crop of cars that qualify for MT's criteria isn't too remarkable. And they couldn't do something like make the new Camry COTY because they did that a few years ago and they like to move the award around, from what I've seen.
Or, it could mean that, just like the Civic, critics were looking at getting more out of the redesign of the Camry than what was delivered. It seems to me that, according to M/T, VW made the extra effort to make their car a world-class midsize sedan, something that Toyota and Honda just can't seem to do anymore.
According to Pete DeLorenzo (autoextremist.com) that is how it works. And he interacted with MT while working for GM.
Why else would the mfr be REQUIRED to submit a marketing plan before the winner is selected?
Yes... what is "world class" about the new Passat?
Personally, I think the Mazda3 Skyactive would have been a better choice for COTY but I don't think it met the deadlines.
Passat was one of the few new models for 2012 in the mid-sized class. All it had to beat there was the Camry. But not the most significant car overall for 2012 IMO. I'd even pick the Impreza over the Passat--AWD plus fuel efficiency for the first time. That's more significant than a nice mid-sized sedan with styling cues from Audi... and a ten-year-old Chevy. And a nice interior and a smooth ride, but an anemic base powertrain. Nice package. But COTY?
The Fusion Hybrid invoice is $26,370 41/36MPG
Camry invoice $25,208. 43/39MPG
You must look at the options to compare apples to apples. So, there is about a $1,000 advantage to the Camry along with a 2-3MPG advantage.
Now, for yourself. Compare a 4cyl Camry/Fusion in automatic for MPG/cost.
In those same families, you are liable to also find a big block powered gas SUV idling to retain cabin heat or A/C in front of the local convenience store.
You must live in a really different kind of neighborhood than I do. I've never seen anybody driving a hybrid that looked like they were "gleaming" or that appeared to be on a "quest to be considered green". I've got a couple of neighbors down the street that drive Priuses and they seem to be just everyday normal people that are trying to save a buck and really just get a car for transportation only.
Where does this hate crap come from anyway? Does dislike of hybrids by some people automatically extend to the people that drive them for no good reason? It just seems strange.
Hybrids need to come down in price, at least within $1,000 dollars for me to even think about buying one.
Priuses have around for 10 years and I haven't read of any large number of failures or replacements. I think most of the hybrid manufacturers have pretty good warranties on the batteries. I'm not ready for a hybrid personally but it isn't because of the tech....it's because of the drive.
its hybrid fleet having racked up 80 million miles in heavy-duty use
"Out of the 42,629,318 battery cells in use – which are the size of a household D-cell battery -- only five cells have failed. That huge number of cells was used to make 190,000 individual battery packs for hybrid vehicles."
"Ford currently has 380,000 electric motors in the field packed inside those 190,000 hybrids sold so far and out of that number of electric motors not a single one has failed so far. "
So maybe there's not much info on battery harm to the environment because their simply hasn't been anything significant enough to measure so far.
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Purchasers of hybrids gleam when pulling up in front of their local golf club or child's school in their quest to be considered 'green'.
Most hybrids are barely indistinguishable from their normally aspirated counter parts, the exceptions being the Prius and the Sonata. Our '06 Highlander only had a small 3' X 2' "synergy drive" emblem on the hatch.
There's gonna be a tidal wave of new hybrids as the CAFE regs tighten.
sam43 must be jealous or jilted! LOL!
Here is my entire quote:
(notice that while you started the sentence with a capital P in the word 'purchasers' suggesting that that is how I started my sentence, the context is completely manipulated if starting it the way you did.
(also notice some key words I have highlighted)
"While I don't disagree with your reasoning (not at ALL actually) some, rationalize the price of (potentially..depending on a person's balance of logic vs conviction) their pacification that purchasers of hybrids gleam when pulling up in front of their local golf club or child's school in their quest to be considered 'green'.
In those same families, you are liable to also find a big block powered gas SUV idling to retain cabin heat or A/C in front of the local convenience store."
Puts a difference swing on it doesn't it?
And just to clarify, are you suggesting that there is a similar number of 06 hyrid Highlanders sold as there are Pruii?
I am neither jealous nor jilted, and can't comprehend why you found that funny enough to laugh out loud but glad you are enjoying the thread.
Enjoy your 06 Highlander hybrid.
No, not at all. Your post still appears condescending toward those that own hybrids. Sounds like a personal problem to me.
Does anyone know which is going to be the absolute quietest with the most road noise blocked?
Is either as quiet as a new Avalon?
I haven't driven the new Passat but I wonder how quiet it is?
Pound for pound, dollar for dollar?
Everyone has their own opinion. 2012 Camry looks like an enticing vehicle.
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2.0 EB - mileage not given but this is the performance version - expect 250-270 hp
2.0 Hybrid 47 city/44 hwy
And the biggest surprise of all - a 2.0 Energi plug-in hybrid!
Wow!
Are those official EPA numbers or Ford's estimates? Either way they look good.