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I can't wait to get going on vacation, as the more rural parts of my trip are very flat.
What Hyundai did was lie and fudge the EPA test. The SAE ratings change does not signify a lie by the manufacturer, but rather different guidelines to rate engines by. There is a difference.
On a different note...
"Potbelly Sandwich Shop"
"Magic Gourd"
"Sizzling Express"
too funny..
If I lived in your neighborhood, why do I have this sense I'd put weight on?? :sick:
Hey..cski...maybe that's where your fuel mileage has gone?? lol
Most cars now shut the fuel off when coasting, so shifting into neutral doesn't really buy you anything.
Yes, it is the real route I drive.
No, cars do not shut off fuel in neutral, especially with a manumatic transmission. I have never even heard of a regular ICE car that shuts off fuel at idle/neutral, except for hybrids.
Ive read plenty on the poor mileage from both 2.0 and 2.4 owners- so dont take this as me saying its not happening...Im just providing an example of where its not.
For those that have the turbo- inconsistent/out of spec spark plug gapping has been discovered for many that have that model. Better mileage and performance resulted once that was taken care of.
A friend has the Hyundai Atenza. The Dealership is tracking his mileage and loading a gas credit card to make up the difference between claimed and actual mileage.
I found your route unusual since you said you drive from West Springfield, which is in Massachusetts and your map started in West Hartford Connecticut.
Also, the Berlin Turnpike has tons of lights and the interstate is only a few miles east of it.
Personally, I take I-84 to I-81 to 15 to 270, so mainly through PA.
It's longer, but a better ride. I try to stay away from I-95 and the NYC-DC corridor.
So While 26 mpg is not very good for a modern 4 cyl sedan it could be a lot worse.
Switching to that Scirocco was what opened my eyes to good mpg.
My commute is from Burke/W Springfield VA to Washington DC. About 18 miles each way. I have never been to Connecticut or Massachusetts!!
Talk about old memories...sigh...the Scirocco. Absolutely loved (still do) the lines on that car. I couldn't afford one so ended up with a brand new Dasher of the same era. To this day I remember spanking a Trans Am (guy I used to work with on a welding line building Chevy vans years ago, had one) at a light one day when we both knew we were gonna give 'er. He passed me at about 35 or 40 mph. I betcha he still remembers that day too. Lotsa fun..
See the "saddr=home" part? That tells Google Maps to start at your home address (that you told Google at some point). When I click the link it starts at my home address in the Chicago suburbs. If you do a fresh map link using your home address instead of the Home identifier it should be the same for everyone.
Edit: I recommend you not use your actual home address as you probabl don't want to post that to a public forum. Use your city, zip code, or the address of the local police department :shades: instead.
I ordered four new Denso plugs from Rock Auto. Will bore everyone with my plug gap findings.
Back on topic, I do find it amazing that my new Accord weighs nearly 1,300 lbs more, has 2.5 times the hp, much more interior room, many more features and still gets better mpg. Of course you could switch it up and wonder what kind of mpg they could get from a 2,000 lb vehicle using today's tech.
The point was made that my drive, while all "highway", requires me to merge onto three different major roads and the commute is very hilly. Now that I thin about it, there is no way for me to get a true highway figure unless I go on a real highway trip.
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I just booked a beach house rental 400 miles away down near Emerald Island, NC. This trip should give me a true highway figure, as the roads closer to the coast are all very flat. Heck, I am looking forward to the drive and the MPG test more than the vacation! I guess I am a true gear-head.
Full disclosure: I drive a 2009 Sonata, GLS V6. Rated 19/29. I drive 90% interstate; my mpg average is 31.1 as of lunchtime today. I do limit my speeds to 75 mph or so (highest limit in Alabama is 70), we do have some hills.
I'm not a sold-out Hyundai guy. My prior two vehicles were Accords. I'm actively car-shopping right now; Altima, Accord, and Ram 1500 Pentastar. No Hyundai is on my shopping list - juts wanted to let you know I'm not batting for Hyundai - but the numbers argument is a moot point to me. If you're buying your car because of a 40mpg rating over a 38 mpg rating, you might be too boring to be my friend.
A recent Motortrend tested a Prius vs a CMax. They chose the CMAX hands down So, the authors neighbor asked him which one he should buy, and he told him the C-MAX. So, his dips*** neighbor went out and bought the Prius anyway, over 2mpg. Now that guy cannot be my friend. He asked a professional car reviewer what he should buy and then doesn't take the advise? What an a**.
EPA tests are short and Cmax can run longer on battery.
How about a history lesson?
2004 Prius Mileage
2005 mileage same car
What changed and why?
Does the Prius get 2 MPG better than C-MAX in SOME categories? Yes, but there are two different C-Max models, and 3 different Prius models. It depends on your driving. These vehicles are designed to excel in mixed driving, not 90% highway where the electric motor and the batteries are just DEAD WEIGHT.
I don't think Ford dropped the ball at all. They have stepped up to the plate.
Is the 1.6 Ecoboost underpowered in a 3600 lb car? Yes for around metro DC. I posted a hundred times a few months back that the motor will be overworked. Not a good combo for durability, IMO.
Also, if I hear the word "Ecoboost" one more time I will scream.
For the most part, I agree with your assessment of the V, but it does drive tighter than a Gen II.
If you like the 'triple crown' of noise, engine tire and wind, it's great.
Basically, on the highway, it's good for people who are hard of hearing.
Judging by our collective waistlines I am clearly in the minority though.
ME TOO. We have good friends who own a 2006 prius - 76 hp on the gas; 67 hp on the battery. THIS for a nearly 4,000 lb car. Absolutely gutless! We refuse to ride in it as we see it as an accident waiting to happen. Although there is no shortage of them on the road, I would not dare to merge onto the interstate in one of them. Aside from that, I believe it has the absolute cheapest, hardest plastic of any vehicle I've been in (except the toyota venza).
I have never bothered to look at the interior, since I don't need the space of a wagon/crossover. On the other hand, I like a lot of Lexus products. The IS 250/350 looks a lot like my car. Anyway, have a good weekend all, and please don't take it personally if I slam a car you like! I love to argue. :shades:
PS: Don't forget the roses and chocolate for the moms on Sunday!
What about crash test results? Does the small size of the Prius hurt it? Look at the two links below and see that the Prius scores a Good while the 2003 Ford F-150 (most popular vehicle in the country) got one of the worst scores ever recorded. Look at the two vehicles and see which you would rather be in after the same crash.
Ford Truck
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=7&seriesid=327
Prius
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=641&seriesid=566
Must not have owned a car in the 70's. Full sized v-8 engines barely had over 110 hp back then. Now that was slow.
No I don't own a Prius, but I would gladly trade some of my cars speed for some extra mpg. You can't hardly buy a midsized sedan these days that won't go 130 mph, and most will go much faster (if ungoverned).
Both were redesigned for '04.
My real world experience with an '00 Expedition is that they are pretty tough, even with only 3 wheels after a collision.
The Prius 5, 3365 lbs was the model compared to the C-MAX (3659 lbs), and Toyota really didn't want Motortrend to do it. Also, the C-MAX is rated 47/47, and the Prius 44/40. how does either do in the real world during Motortrend's review? Prius 39.4, C-MAX, 37.3. However, in low speed, city driving the author did say that the C-MAX comes out on top with it's larger battery and motor. The C-MAX won the comparison.
The comparison is in Motortrend April 2013 on page 68.
In short, I like sedans!! The Prius is my polar opposite... Maybe even my car's nemesis! If I needed to get 40 mpg, I would buy a Passat TDI or wait for the Mazda 6 2.2 TD with 173 hp and 310 lb ft!!
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/04/motortrend-praises-new-mercedes-benz.html
Not much room in a full body cast :confuse:
I would like to squash a Prius beneath my Highlander Limited V6 AWD.
Really? Wow. Aside from the obvious questionable rationale behind this proclamation, it also has quite the disconnect. It happens right here: "beneath my Highlander V6 AWD".
Pretty sure it would leave a mark..
My first new car was a 1974 Plymouth Duster - 225 slant 6. Nowhere near the power of today's cars, but cars at that time were similar. Driving that duster - or the gutless prius - in TODAY's world would not be enjoyable. As a rule of thumb, today's cars just run so much better. And yes, the 110 hp is the combined "potential", but it usually runs on battery. And I meant to type 3,000 lbs - was a typo for the 4,000 lbs. Sorry about that. But I can tell you that when I took my toyota in for a warranty repair and was offered a prius (having already been in our friend's prius) I refused it. They gave me a corolla for the day, but if they didn't I'd have called my wife to come pick me up instead of driving the prius.
I would rather walk in a full body cast than drive a Prius. I want power and room. I would like to squash a Prius beneath my Highlander Limited V6 AWD.
Very well stated! I will stick with my belief that it is gutless and has an incredibly cheap interior (a toyota hallmark). I truly felt it was nothing more than a glorified golf cart.
CLA :
Exterior Measurements
WIDTH5 ft. 10 in. (70 in.) HEIGHT4 ft. 8.6 in. (56.6 in.)
LENGTH15 ft. 2.3 in. (182.3 in.) GROUND CLEARANCE0 ft. 3.9 in. (3.9 in.)
FRONT TRACK5 ft. 0.9 in. (60.9 in.) REAR TRACK5 ft. 0.8 in. (60.8 in.)
WHEEL BASE8 ft. 10.3 in. (106.3 in.)
Interior Measurements
FRONT HEAD ROOM37.0 in. FRONT SHOULDER ROOM56.0 in.
REAR HEAD ROOM35.6 in. REAR SHOULDER ROOM53.2 in.
Mazda 6:
Exterior Measurements
WIDTH6 ft. 0.4 in. (72.4 in.) HEIGHT4 ft. 9.1 in. (57.1 in.)
LENGTH15 ft. 11.5 in. (191.5 in.) GROUND CLEARANCE0 ft. 6.4 in. (6.4 in.)
FRONT TRACK5 ft. 2.4 in. (62.4 in.) REAR TRACK5 ft. 2 in. (62 in.)
WHEEL BASE9 ft. 3.4 in. (111.4 in.)
Interior Measurements
FRONT HEAD ROOM38.4 in. FRONT HIP ROOM56.1 in.
FRONT LEG ROOM42.2 in. FRONT SHOULDER ROOM57.1 in.
REAR HIP ROOM56.1 in. REAR HEAD ROOM37.1 in.
REAR LEG ROOM38.7 in. REAR SHOULDER ROOM55.5 in.
CLA length: 182.3 inches long
Compacts:
Sentra: 182.1 inches long
Dart: 183.9
Mazda3: 180.9
Cruze: 181.0
Mid-sized cars:
Accord: 191.4 inches long
Camry: 189.0
Sonata: 189.8
Optima: 190.7
Mazda6: 191.5
Passat: 191.6
Altima: 191.5
Fusion: 191.7
Malibu: 191.5
Clearly the CLA is in the compact size class, not the mid-sized class. See for example (emphasis mine):
Mercedes just announced official pricing for its new CLA compact car, which will start at $29,900.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013/01/mercedes-cla-priced-in-commercial-sta- rts-at-29900.html
But, just for grins, the CLA is an interesting car.
The car is too small for me. I noticed the 5' 11' reviewers head was almost touching the headliner. What I really think is it would be perfect for the ladies. I can almost guarantee it will be a hit with them. The interior is VERY nice, although it has one too many vents, and the yellow/green stitching is only available on a special edition car.
1978 Trailduster http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B28456.jpg
It had a 360 with a 4 barrel carb, dual exhaust, full time 4x4 with (manual), roll cage, removable roof, brush guard,skid plates, locking hubs. Had dealer installed A/C too, but when it was given to me it hadn't worked for years, so I jettisoned the compressor. It ran for 15 year's with no mechanical problems. Unfortunately, the body rusted like crazy (due to aforementioned mudslide and the resulting damp sand in all the trucks crevices) and it became unsafe as there were holes all over the floor, including a 8x12 "flintstone-Esq" hole here the drivers feet are supposed to go. I had a metal real estate sign under the floor mat, but at the end it fell off on I-95. Lovely.
Cars have come a long way.