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Width is a big chunk of that, I bet.
I think a lot of length went into the fact that the car has more style (good or bad) than the previous more practically shaped model. Same thing happened with the Civic I think.
Like the overall exterior design. Lack of standard bodyside mouldings and bulging headlights are two items I would change.
Climate and audio seem to be a bit busy with too many buttons. I'd prefer more dials though after I spent more time with the car it might change my opinion.
Did not drive it, so no driving impression.
Will be interesting to compare it with the new Mazda6 and Malibu once they are available.
Accord's primary gain in interior volume comes in front seat headroom, shoulder room and hip room (which saw the most improvement but it is not a part of cabin volume measurements, only legroom, headroom and shoulder room are).
As for width, Honda added 1.5" to the track which brings with it a shorter turning radius than 2007 despite of longer wheelbase and larger tires. The track grew more than the overall width, which also provides for a squarish footprint for greater stability, a Honda tradition.
Longer wheelbase is used primarily to improve ride quality. Also worth noting is that Honda bumped up the size of the fuel tank from 17.1 to 18.5 and moved it further, but lower, towards the front.
Head room (front and rear)
Leg room (front and rear)
Shoulder room (front and rear)
So, it doesn’t account for space under the windshield or the rear glass. You can’t add space under the windshield and add EPA volume to the size. At least one of the three measurements quoted above will have to change.
That said, those measurements don’t necessarily depict everything. There are set points from which those measurements are performed. So, if I were measuring leg room, I could push the lower part of dash further at that point and advertise a longer legroom (and in turn, gain EPA volume). But it is unlikely to be appreciated in reality unless people fit those measurement criteria.
To me, 14 cu ft of useful space is plenty. There are a few cars with as much or more advertised volume but not as practical. I fit more stuff and easily in my Accord (also attributable to wider openings). I have never understood why people want more (Taurus, for example, has a whopping 21 cu ft of trunk space).
I took a road trip to Oklahoma City (750 miles away) with two friends this summer. We spent 6 days, and had the clothes for a trip of this duration. My 2006 Accord's trunk was at capacity with all of our "stuff." We originally had 4 of us going total, and I'm glad we didn't; we couldn't have fit the last persons stuff in without leaving some things behind.
When you can have more without a penalty elsewhere, more will always be better than less.
Bad tranny you say.....Honda covers them for free whether you bought the extension or not.... They step up to the plate when needed.
On another note....If I was a GM or Chrysler customer that bought one month before the warranty extension, I'd be boycotting the dealership until they give me the same; of course, it would of been my own stupidity for accepting the original offer w/o the long warranty....
I guess you don't play golf and/or have never taken a 3 some or more on a golf day trip.
Now the real old days when a trunk was a trunk, was pretty bad. Talk about an afterthought once the car was invented. :surprise: Ooops, we gotta take stuff along, other than just Grandma and Grandpa! L
A longer warranty is a good thing on any and all automobiles. It adds value to a car and added protection while you have the car. Pretty simple. L
I could also say that you either missed it or deliberately left it out, but Accord's total interior volume is less than that of at least one other car in this class, by nearly 2 cubic feet. I won't mention which car that is because you or someone else will just jump all over me about it, say something about who I work for or what stock I own, and we don't need more of that kind of stuff here.
But it's good that you have pointed out that because of a design decision Honda made on the Accord, it has less cargo volume than some other cars in this class that are several inches shorter (or even smaller than some some compact cars). So in the future when you or someone else mentions something about a mid-sized car that's not positive, we can just say, "That was a design decision by the manufacturer."
OK, I'll bite: if most logical, sane people don't buy extended warranties and they are worthless for Hondas and Toyotas, why do Honda and Toyota offer then on their new cars? Let me guess: for all the illogical, insane people who buy Toyotas and Hondas?
I guess time will tell.
Excuses... keep 'em coming.
Mazda6: 111 cu ft
Accord: 120 cu ft
Taurus: 129 cu ft
Accord is merely midpack, in terms of length, width and cubic footage.
That said, buying based on cubic footage I do when it comes to appliances. I just returned from Home Depot looking for wine coolers as a matter of fact. :P
Cars, OTOH, have to be a lot more than that.
My guess: his answer will be for the money-hungry dealers to make money.
My personal view: partially to make money for dealers, partially to be able to say "we'll match Hyundai's warranty" and figure it into the price, partially because Honda's are in fact machines with parts that wear out, or break. They are not the invincible machines that last 50 years with nothing but maintenance. Are they reliable? Yep. Most surveys put 'em above average; some at the top of the class. Are they perfect? Nope. My 2006 Accord had warranty work done twice in 1,000 miles for a loose interior rear-view mirror (the glass was not glued to the plastic housing, causing MAJOR vibration issues) as well as a gas flap with a tendency not to open.
Perfect? Nope. Wasn't enough to make me dislike my car (I didn't buy it on perfect reliability alone, but for a plethora of reasons including, but-not-limited-to, dependability).
I think there are Hondas that come from the factory with no flaws (unlike my vehicle which had two). I also think that there are Hyundais and Fords and Chevrolets and Subarus and Mazdas etc... that come this way too.
Andres, I'm a Honda guy. Between me, my parents, my grandparents, and my great aunt there are 6 Hondas, and only 1 Nissan. 86% of my immediate family's vehicles are Hondas! But guess what, they aren't all flawless.
1996 Accord LX - 175k, several repairs, currently has moderately worn shocks, never stranded b/c of the repairs
1997 Civic LX - ~113k, alternator, exhaust system 2 years ago(we live in Alabama where we haven't had snow in 7 years)
2002 Accord LX - 89k, rattle in the dash, too-tight throttle linkage yet-to-be addressed
2005 Odyssey EX cloth - 35k, misaligned rear bumper, tailgate rubber seal not properly in place, airbag sensor recall, whistling windshield 50-60MPH
2006 Accord EX cloth - 24k, (((See Above)))
2007 Civic EX - 26k, NONE
Listed above are the Hondas in my family, their mileage, and their problems. I drive all these cars at least once a month, with emphasis on the three Accords.
As you can see, with the exception of dad's new Civic, they are all far from perfect. My aunt's Odyssey has required a nice long time in the shop for all of its issues.
I'm a Honda guy, but I'm not bowing at the big "H," and after seeing and feeling the interior in the new Accord, I may not be driving away in an Accord at my next purchase opportunity. I am nit-picky about interiors, and was very disappointed by the 2008s.
Not in this class of vehicles though. A Grand Marquis is bigger than a Yaris is, too!
If Accord has a feature or attribute, it is a Good Thing. If it doesn't have a feature or is lacking in some attribute compared to the competition, no one needs that feature or attribute. At least, that is what I've gathered from this discussion.
And speaking of warranties, Honda and Toyota offer shorter (5-year/60K mile powertrain) warranty on new cars, but they extend it to 100K miles on certified used cars. This allows used cars have better value. In fact, one could find a six year old Accord right now, and if Honda certified, it would be covered under warranty for miles remaining up to 100K. (In Hyundai's case, the car cannot be older than 4 years, and must have less than 48K miles on it).
So, how much cabin size/trunk size is good for you? Do you assign it a number, or do you go by actual experience (comfort, driving position etc)? How about power? Believe me, Accord EX-L/NAV would be my choice if I do go for the Accord, and not because it has 190 HP versus 177 HP. I couldn't care less about 150 HP versus 200 HP ten years ago!
So, why exactly do you have a problem with these?
And no, I don't think all Accord's features make sense to me. I'm one of those people who thinks Honda could have done a few things differently than they did (in terms of features). The discussion gets to the point that apparently you've been gathering, thanks to Hyundai flag wavers. (sorry colloquor, couldn't resist stealing your words).
This web page looks to me like Honda offers extended warranties. Note the words "factory backed," for example. The company that underwrites an extended warranty (typically an insurance company, since extended warranties are in effect insurance policies) is irrelevant to who offers, sells, and backs the warranty. Honda Care is advertised by Honda, sold by Honda dealers, and backed by Honda.
http://www.hondafinancialservices.com/Planning/honda.asp
And I'm not sure what you mean by Hyundai's "convoluted" warranty. Its terms are very clear to me, a Hyundai owner. If other Hyundai owners don't take a few minutes to read the warranty on their cars, how does that make the warranty "convoluted"?
Do you believe companies offer warranties if they sell products that aren't reliable?
I'm just repeating what pat had told me before when I mentioned the Accord in the full-size sedans forum.
I don't have any problem with the Accord's features. I think it has lots of good features (although I am one who thinks hp in family sedans is getting out of hand). I just get kind of tired with people holding up attributes of the Accord as great things, until it's pointed out that some competitor has more, or has some feature the Accord doesn't have. Then it's, "oh, that really isn't important." If we are going to compare cars, we can at least be fair about it. Some cars do some things better than others. Accord shines in a number of areas. But it doesn't mean it trumps competitors in all facets.
You have a good point. I guess that means mid-sized cars with longer warranties, e.g. Avenger, Sebring, Galant, Optima, and Sonata, are quite reliable.
Longer warranties, if you look at the reliability ratings, do not mean the car is more reliable. Maybe these manufacturers are hoping the cars are sold to someone else (who the warranty cannot be transferred to) before there are major problems. So I guess if the car is not so hot, there's a good chance of that.
OK... so the fact that Honda's extended warranty is longer (in miles at least) than that of Hyundai or Kia or Mitsubishi or many others does NOT mean that the Accord is more reliable than the mid-sized cars from these other brands? This is getting kind of confusing! :confuse:
Trunk size and cabin volume has never been the primary focus of my purchase. You're the one throwing things around and creating a mess. Didn't I say it couple of days ago that if I wanted to go cheaper than Accord, I would go Civic?
I just get kind of tired with people holding up attributes of the Accord as great things, until it's pointed out that some competitor has more, or has some feature the Accord doesn't have.
I won't be surprised if Chery (when it arrives in America) has far more features. Would that make them benchmarks?
Seriously, If I couldn't afford it, I'd be willing to let go of a feature or two to drive a better car. You can't convince buyers like me to buy a car based on discounted price and additional features. They are all that for a reason!
Toyota does offer extended warranties. I purchased my 3 year/50,000 mile warranty through Toyota. It is called the Platinum Extended Warranty....I got it for a little under $600 and can cancel it at the end of my lease if I'm under my mileage and receive a refund for the remainder.
Indeed not, and the long warranty on the Hyundai does not mean it's more reliable either. It just means Hyundai is taking the chance that you will sell the car, before major repairs are needed. Since it's a less desirable car, I can see how they would come to that conclusion.
Let's drop the warranty arguments - they have nothing to do with the actual features of the cars and all you folks are doing is just baiting each other.
van