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DrFill
Based on what I know I think you'll find that Ford is losing more to Tundra than Chevy, Dodge, or Nissan, but a very large portion of Tundra sales are coming from people that have previously owned Toyota products.
I was by our Toyota dealer just a few day ago and saw three Titans on their lot. Of course, lot watching is not necessarily accurate since dealers buy from wholesalers.
Look for the stock code on a vehicle. A "P" prefix will often mean "purchased."
Regards,
Dusty
1. Toyota's reliability history, they have NO history building 1/2 ton trucks. And so far, their reliability with the new Tundra is a huge ?.
2. 0-60 times...irrelevant, let's stick to truck practicality and capability.
Whoever said OnStar was "free"? Not me, not anyone. I said it was "standard". Of course it costs after the first year, just like the internet service you pay for to post your silly responses.
1offroader
Design and interior styling??? Are you kidding??? Even diehard Tundra owners admit to the ugly styling both inside and out. It is the worst interior styling I've ever seen in a modern full size pickup. It is really jarring to look at inside and, frankly, that's where the driver spends all of his/her time. You don't see the outside when your behind the wheel which, in Tundra's case, is a blessing.
It looks like a cross between the Ford and Dodge. But, like two decent-looking parents, they occasionally have an ugly offspring. Hey, it happens.
1offroader
I meant to say frame design/chassis (3/4), with new levels of safety/value features (vs other 1/2 tons).
DrFill
1. Cargo/Passenger Space
2. Max Power/Capability
3. Safety Features
4. Standard value features.
5. Incentives (after test drive)
15 minutes, then a test drive, it's all over but the washin'.
DrFill
I went to a Toyota Dealership to see what they had to say. There was NO WAY!!! They were going to convince me to buy a Tundra! Dodge all the way
Cell minutes are .40/min. Admittedly, this is a ripoff, but who cares, most people have their own cell phone anyway.
2. Max Power/Capability
3. Safety Features
4. Standard value features.
5. Incentives (after test drive)
15 minutes, then a test drive, it's all over but the washin'
1. yep, crewmax has a bigger back seat....and a smaller bed. Depends on which you'd prefer, but I'll take the bigger bed. The tundra also lacks headroom, partly due to the lack of 12 way power seats with no height control.
2. Max power? Techinically, wrong, the 6.2 has 403 HP and 401 lb-ft. But 5.7 vs 6.0...14 hp difference. Capability? Again, towing cap depends on config, payload the Tundra falls short in most configs.
3. Safety Features? Please elaborate, the GMT900s have the same features available, just because they are not std, does not mean they are not available. Oh, and what about the 4 stars the tundra received in the nhtsa test? Oh yeah, they don't count, right?
4. Std value features? Huh? the GM900s have more available features and a lower bottom line cost. I'd call that a better value.
5. Not sure what you mean by this, but I drove one (as well as a Ford and Dodge) and I didn't buy one, not even close!!!
The interior in the Tundra is a complete joke. Not to mention the butt-ugly exterior.
Nice c-channel frame too BTW.
Kinda hypocritical, wouldn't you say?
You mean to tell me you have NEVER heard anyone say the new Tundra is ugly? Even I can admit the nose of the new Silvy's is ugly, I prefer the Sierra's look over any new truck.
6.2 liter is 403 HP/401 lb-ft and the 6.0's are 367 HP/375 lb-ft.
I like the Ford Flareside. Too bad a Prius will smoke it like a blunt.
DrFill
Let's keep this on at least a High School level, k?
DrFill
Oh, and I am sure he could, my Dad is dead.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/prius_traction.html
Try again, fill.
1offroader
I will sign up again for OnStar in a heartbeat. It could save my life, or my family's lives. If I lock my keys in while I'm hunting/camping/fishing, it will unlock my door. What would a locksmith charge to come out to Bugtussle, Montana and unlock my door? What is all that worth?
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Priceless.
1offroader
DrFill
It can handle, at least, anything the GM could. It proved that.
DrFill
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/110941-whats-the-deal-remote-starte- r/
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/106405-southern-california-bed-boun- ce/
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/106054-2007-tundra-vibration-issues- /
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/100518-camshaft-failures-in-new-5-7- -a-4/
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/108388-potential-transmission-failu- re/
nuff said
DrFill
How did it prove that it was as capable as a GM? Just because it didn't bottom out the suspension? You have alot to learn about truck chassis' my friend.
Three strikes. You know what that means.
Someone got it right. And it wasn't GM. You seem surprised? :confuse:
I know the Silvy struggles with sales much more than Tundra does with loads. Can you explain that?
DrFill
Three strikes. You know what that means.
Someone got it right. And it wasn't GM. You seem surprised?
I know the Silvy struggles with sales much more than Tundra does with loads. Can you explain that?
3rd direct comparison by whom? A Magazine...Um ,ok, whatever. I bet I can find at least 3 magazine or other bogus/biased rags that favor the Silvy too. Oh, and don't even bring up the Toaster analyzer named CR. You want to lean on that crutch, by all means, whatever makes ya feel better.
I'd say GM got it right, they aren't replacing tranny's, engines, driveshafts, etc on the GMT900's are they? And the complaints on the forums about numerous build quality issues are 10:1 in favor of GM.
Sales? Speak to me when Toyota sells over a million Tundra's per year. Until then, percentages don't mean squat. 50% of nothing is still nothing.
Oh, how's Toyota doing on the 1/2 ton diesels and HD trucks? Again, until then, Tundra is a wannabe in the American truck market.
Toyota Tundra
July 2007: 23,150
August 2007: 18,919
I heard this schpeel when Taurus was the best-seller, and Camry was small potatoes.
And when Ford Ranger was untouchable, and Toyota's truck was plotting along.
Or when Cavalier was a hot seller, and Corolla was quiet as kept.
Or when Cadillac......
Rome is burning, and you don't even smell the smoke.
I like it. Keep it comin'! :shades:
DrFill
Do you guys hear yourselves?
This is rich! LOL!! :P
DrFill
In the meantime, Toyota will have it's hands full debugging this Tundra and getting it up to where the GMT900's (and the new Ford and Dodges) are at build quality-wise. Starting with the frame. Cheap interiors and fancy electronics only get you so far in this segment.
DrFill
De-Nile is a river in Egypt.
kcram - Pickups Host
Dodge Ram Hemi 5.7L VS. Toyota tundra iForce 5.7L.
Even drivetrain can be changed on any truck.
Horsepower: 381 hp
Max Horsepower: 5600 rpm
Torque: 401 ft-lbs.
Ram
Horsepower: 345 hp
Max Horsepower: 5400 rpm
Torque: 375 ft-lbs
So what's your point?
CR is a joke, they should stick to rating Washers and Dryers and Toasters and leave the Automobiles to people who know something about them. They do NOT just report on what people say, they conduct their own tests and have no clue what they are doing.
The rest of your post just illustrates how "brainwashed" you are about Toyota supremity. Talk about "laughable"!!! Go drink some more of that Kool-Aid.
I mean Toyota having 4 of the Top 10 vehilces for '07!
Tundra winning another direct comparison with the mighty Chevy (I think that makes 4 wins for Toyota, I lose count, not counting the Sierra being outsold by it).
All the Recommended, used car best bets, best-in-class designations? Come on! :mad:
It's pretty obvious that CR, Edmunds, Intellichoice, JD Power, and about 2.5 million buyers are in on something.
It's call a conspiracy. C-O-N......spiracy.
That's all you gotta know!
DrFill